Gadi,
I can't help that you need a few nights away in a lovely Swiss Hotel
in order to help those cynical thoughts lift:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24732642-5014090,00.html
That looks too noisy. This seems to be a little more upscale.
That is the one and only thing keeping a land line at my home. I
have two young children, and I need to be sure that if something
were to ever happen that: 1.) The phone would work even if the
power was out, or the Internet connectivity was flaking out.
2.) 911 would function exactly the way it
On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Russell J. Lahti wrote:
That is the one and only thing keeping a land line at my home. I
have two young children, and I need to be sure that if something
were to ever happen that: 1.) The phone would work even if the
power was out, or the Internet connectivity was
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Anders Lindbäck wrote:
Mtr is even less usefull then that, in its default mode it does a traceroute
and then proceeds to ICMP Ping flood each IP in the list generated by the
traceroute, the result is usually completly useless on WAN topologies due to
asym-routing, ICMP node
With one provider in Canada at least, the E911 address to phone number
registration is a large bureaucratic manual process, likely involving
fax machines.
Meanwhile, the ILEC presumably has an address in a database for the
loop...
So, I wonder about more direct access to PSAPs by CLEC,
In the past, an inactive cell phone could still dial 911. I'm not sure
if that's still the case, but it used to be, at least with some
carriers.
Chuck
-Original Message-
From: Russell J. Lahti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:47 AM
To: 'Mike Lyon'; 'Alex
Once upon a time, Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure it
might be of interest to this community:
http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/
One thing doesn't make sense in that article: it talks about POTS
A Marine VHF works under almost any circumstances, and anywhere coastal
in the world. You can almost always reach the Coast Guard.
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:56 AM
To: Russell J. Lahti
Cc: nanog@nanog.org;
If they had made any decent investment in plant, or had not run the DSL
CLECs out of business, they could make money on DSL and Video services,
or by leasing the unused copper.
There's no sympathy for companies that have been nothing more than
obstacles to progress.
-Original Message-
On 2008-12-04, at 09:47, Josh Potter wrote:
I believe there is a law that requires just that, even if you don't
have an
active service plan the phone must still be able to access 911.
With GSM phones you don't even need a SIM in the phone to call 911
(and equivalent numbers in other
Well put Joe...
I haven't had a landline in quite a bit neither and rely on VOIP today.
This doesn't mean that it's never gone down but for the few times it
ever has it has never worried me.
There's at least two cell phones in our house whenever the family is
home and I have neighbors within
That is the one and only thing keeping a land line at my home. I
have two young children, and I need to be sure that if something
were to ever happen that: 1.) The phone would work even if the
power was out, or the Internet connectivity was flaking out.
2.) 911 would function exactly the way
Once upon a time, Paul Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What worries me the most is a power outage longer than say 8 hours.
This is the typical battery time at most cell sites, telco remotes and
many telco CO's. Beyond those 8 hours, it's quite probable that the
site will go down and you'll
People have been digging up fiber thinking it's copper anyways, but yeah
that's a big problem.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is the one and only thing keeping a land line at my home. I
have two young children, and I need to be sure that if something
Joe Abley wrote:
I seem to remember when I *did* have dial-tone from Bell Canada I'd pick
up the handset and get dead air a disturbing proportion of the time. The
idea that copper wire-line providers are the only ones who can provide
stable telephony doesn't ring true, for me. There's a
On 4 dec 2008, at 14.05, Pekka Savola wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Anders Lindbäck wrote:
Mtr is even less usefull then that, in its default mode it does a
traceroute and then proceeds to ICMP Ping flood each IP in the
list generated by the traceroute, the result is usually completly
Paul Stewart wrote:
There's at least two cell phones in our house whenever the family is
home and I have neighbors within quick walking distance.
That's assuming they're not doing the same thing you are, are home, or
are willing to let you borrow their phone. You're assuming a lot. I find
In my experience with a fiber to the home deployment I feel that the trend
of moving away from the stability of POTS lines for emergency service is
acceptable for most people. Most battery backups allow for around 36 hours
of dialtone. The overwhelming majority of power outages last nowhere near
Solar is civil defence - that goes for Node Bs as well as citizens.
In the UK, I have absolutely no confidence in the reliability of our major
cable op, because everywhere I go I find their street cabinets broken into,
presumably by scum looking for copper (how long will they take to respond to
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:13:14 -0600
Paul Bosworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my experience with a fiber to the home deployment I feel that the
trend of moving away from the stability of POTS lines for emergency
service is acceptable for most people. Most battery backups allow for
around 36
The ATT (BellSouth) remotes around here installed in the last 10 years
or so typically have natural gas generators installed, and the COs have
a pair of generators for redundancy. Even many of the cell towers have
generators. The telco infrastructure is pretty well backed up (I don't
know
Many proposed regulations are struck down before they become required
regulation. Just like the FCC mandates that POTS and fiber have guaranteed
battery, the FCC will mandate that cellular towers do the same. This is
inevitable. The telco industry is notorious for litigating to death anything
that
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Paul Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What worries me the most is a power outage longer than say 8 hours.
This is the typical battery time at most cell sites, telco remotes and
many telco CO's. Beyond those 8 hours, it's quite probable that the
site will go
And it gets better:
ATT to reduce workforce by 12,000 - ATT Inc. will layoff 12,000 of its
employees, or 4 percent of its total workforce, in response to recent economic
pressures.
Sprint/Nextel has had negative net income of $326mm, $829mm, and $505mm for the
last three quarters.
Verizon
On 2008-12-04, at 11:06, Chris Marlatt wrote:
That's assuming they're not doing the same thing you are, are home, or
are willing to let you borrow their phone. You're assuming a lot. I
find
it surprising that many people replying haven't kept a 911 only POTS
line.
This is straying far
Paul Bosworth wrote:
On a personal note, when I worked in telecom I never once saw a cell tower
that was down due to power loss. Every tower I have worked with had some
form of power generation, be it natural gas or diesel. In addition, as a
cellular service consumer I have also never
There will always be exceptions to the rule. Nature can be quite ugly to
service infrastructure and the best service providers can do is pull double
duty to get services back up as quickly as possible. As you said, cellular
was torn up pretty badly, but then again so was the power grid and the
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:59:00 PST, Paul Ferguson said:
I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure it
might be of interest to this community:
http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/
The article goes on to quote some other source regarding Hawaiian
Joe Abley wrote:
This is straying far from network operations, but I think 911 generally
engenders an unnecessary degree of hysteria. As I suggested before, the
marketing of this fear from certain quarters has apparently been quiet
effective.
Many will agree with you; unless 911 saved their
Folks,
We're planning a brief outage on route-views.routeviews.org
at 1200 PST today (basically, upgrading processor and
memory; thanks Chip Sharp).
Thanks,
Dave
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Large scale Tesla coils would be pretty awesome :)
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
What about the cell site? See
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/12/03/ap5776571.html
The FCC proposed in
That the old ILECs are having problems due to the fact that few if any
of them know how to run a decent business is not exactly news. IMO, it
might be best if some of them were finaly placed in the position of
figuring out how to come into the 21st century and actually compete
for business.
But I
For my own $0.02 worth, I would like to point out the kind of
engineering that was done during the days of Ma Bell - when it was THE
phone company, and had the world in it's pocket - was quite spectacular
and resulted in telecommunications systems that largely stood up and
continued
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That the old ILECs are having problems due to the fact that few if any
of them know how to run a decent business is not exactly news. IMO, it
might be best if some of them were finaly placed in the position of
On 4 dec 2008, at 17.49, Daniel Hagerty wrote:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Lindb=E4ck?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to the 0.75 sorcecode ICMP is still the default prot
used, =20
and the definition of MTR from bitwizards homepage disagress with
you:
Have you considered checking an
I think we've figured out the next get together for the next nanog.
Make sure there is a gun range within an hour drive
On 12/4/08, Wayne E. Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That the old ILECs are having problems due to the fact that few if any
of them know how to run a decent business is
Daniel Senie wrote:
Mike Lyon wrote:
That makes two of us...
Anyways, for residential VOIP, where are we these days with E911? Are
providers like Vonage and such providing reliable E911 when people
call 911? That is one of the major problems I see with the residential
realm going with VOIP
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That the old ILECs are having problems due to the fact that few if any
of them know how to run a decent business is not exactly news. IMO, it
might be best if some of them were finaly placed in the position of
On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote:
That the old ILECs are having problems due to the fact that few if any
of them know how to run a decent business is not exactly news. IMO, it
might be best if some of them were finaly placed in the position of
figuring out how to come into
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:48:27AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure it
might be of interest to this community:
http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/
Hi Everyone:
On behalf of Merit, we look forward to our continued working relationship with
the NANOG SC and PC who are working hard to bring a great program to NANOG45.
Our Host, Terremark, continues to work hard to provide all of the additional
support items to make everyone comfortable in
Joe Abley wrote:
This is straying far from network operations, but I think 911 generally
engenders an unnecessary degree of hysteria. As I suggested before, the
marketing of this fear from certain quarters has apparently been quiet
effective.
The probability of any single individual needing
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:18:42 -0800
Michael Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joe Abley wrote:
This is straying far from network operations, but I think 911
generally engenders an unnecessary degree of hysteria. As I
suggested before, the marketing of this fear from certain quarters
has
I am not sure. Business lines are significantly higher priced than residential
lines and the conventional wisdom was that there is a cross sudsidy. How it
shakes out across all phone lines is unclear to me.
A lot depends on the economic realism of depreciation schedule. I'm not
familiar with
Hi Everyone:
On behalf of Merit, we look forward to our continued working relationship with
the NANOG SC and PC who are working hard to bring a great program to NANOG45.
Our Host, Terremark, continues to work hard to provide all of the additional
support items to make everyone comfortable in
I find it amusing that:
1. Many assume one is able to get POTS everywhere
2. How some use the term POTS when in reality they're referring to VoIP
Pardon the length, but to make the point, here's one of many Canadian examples
some of us are intimately familiar with:
-Construction conglomerate
Erik (Caneris) wrote:
So it can be argued both ways. Ultimately, it all comes down to marketing and
hype. With everything going to IP at both the core and edge (yes, I chose the
terms deliberately) and analogue-digital-analogue or TDM-IP-TDM-IP
conversation happening so many times, the
They do. But I'm sure you know the FCC has capped some of the funds, with
plans to cap more of it. That may be good or bad, depending if you're a
wireless or wireline carrier drawing on those funds or not.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The classic problem of the ILECs is that they have a government backed
monopoly on the local loops everywhere and they leverage that monopoly to
compete with companies that don't have government backing.
For my $0.02,there are two good options.
1. Eliminate the FCC Universal Service/Coverage
The Verizon lay-offs article you linked to (Verizon just laid off thousands
of people
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9900E2DE113CF93AA15751C1A9649C8B63)
in the blog post is dated December 29, *2002*
Cheers,
Jayfar
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Jim Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lorell Hathcock wrote:
The classic problem of the ILECs is that they have a government backed
monopoly on the local loops everywhere and they leverage that monopoly to
compete with companies that don't have government backing.
Monopoly? Really? I could have sworn someone devised the idea of
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:59:00 PST, Paul Ferguson said:
I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure it
might be of interest to this community:
http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/
The article
I have the need to stress test a LAN and WAN. The primary concern is
the WAN which is at most OC-3. The LAN would be an additional bonus
if I could do that as well.
I am familiar with tools such as those from Spirent and IXIA which are
very expensive. I was wondering if someone has had
On 5/12/2008, at 11:23 AM, Brian Feeny wrote:
I have the need to stress test a LAN and WAN. The primary concern
is the WAN which is at most OC-3. The LAN would be an additional
bonus if I could do that as well.
I am familiar with tools such as those from Spirent and IXIA which
are very
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:10:57PM -0800, Mike Lyon wrote:
Anyways, for residential VOIP, where are we these days with E911? Are
providers like Vonage and such providing reliable E911 when people
call 911? That is one of the major problems I see with the residential
realm going with VOIP
You can download a copy of the SolarWinds toolset from our website (the
eval is free).
There's a traffic generator in there called WAN Killer. Give it a try.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:27 PM
To: nanog list
I have used Solarwinds Wan Killer, but have yet to discover a method of
initiating round-trip traffic from a single generator, but Solarwinds
can stress a GiGE MAN link using a desktop PC with a GiGE card as the
generator.
-Original Message-
From: Stephens, Josh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To generate round-trip traffic you have to enable echo services on the
target host and then send to that port.
On a Windows box I think it's called Simple TCP Services and then you
send the traffic to TCP Echo.
HTH,
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Holmes,David A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Coincidentally, this week I was asked to specify current and next-gen
equipment for a new network testbed at $DAYJOB. This lab would be
used to test software used to monitor large networks. Specifically I
need to setup an environment similar to that of large SPs, with
emphasis on MPLS, STP,
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Michael Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We haven't really had a major catastrophe where we've been totally
dependent on IP yet, AFIAK. Maybe all of the qos, call gapping and
the rest of the stuff the TDM networks do to deal with disasters
will be left in
We use iperf running off of a bootable Linux CD
with a 2.4 Kernel and can push 960 to 980 Mbps
with no drops or errors on any pair of PCs with
Gig interfaces we have tried so far.
We usually 10 TCP streams, or tune the TCP stack
and use a single stream.
We also capture the traffic on both sides,
Folks,
NANOG 45 in the Dominican Republic is fast approaching, so now is the time to
go get registered for the conference.
You can register for NANOG 45 at:
https://nanog.merit.edu/registration/
I'm also pleased to report that our hotel has provided us with with a direct
link for online
Yes, that's correct as far as I know -- though you might not be able to receive
a return call from the dispatcher.
- S
-Original Message-
From: Church, Charles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:44 AM
To: Russell J. Lahti
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE:
No POTS line here. New office is all VoIP, too. For my own use, though, I'm
sticking with cell. Don't recall the last time that there was an outage to the
point where I couldn't make a voice call in the past few years (though I've
seen EVDO data go down for my region and have had to fall
Skywing wrote:
No POTS line here. New office is all VoIP, too. For my own use, though, I'm
sticking with cell. Don't recall the last time that there was an outage to the
point where I couldn't make a voice call in the past few years (though I've
seen EVDO data go down for my region and
I believe its still the case, but you can order from the local LEC a
soft-dial tone. You hear dial tone, however the only calls that can be made
are to the LEC's Billing to the PSAP(911). This might be a good option for
people w/ kids, etc. without paying the full price of a land line. I used to
Even disconnected customers due to non-pay have access to E-911
Frank
-Original Message-
From: b nickell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:12 PM
To: Russell J. Lahti
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Alex Rubenstein
Subject: Re: Telecom Collapse?
I believe its still
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I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure
it might be of interest to this community:
http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/
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