Re: STOP USING FONT SIZE SMALL Was: Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> Really, does anyone here think that it is good form to send email with > font size *SMALL*? rofl! randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com` signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header mangling

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread sronan
Let me tell you about my personal favorite. It’s 2002 and I am working as an engineer for an electronic stock trading platform (ECN), this platform happened to be the biggest platform for trading stocks electronically, on some days bigger than NASDAQ itself. This platform also happened to be

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > > you can sign over something which ways "the person identified by the > > following public key is to be permitted to ..." > > you mean the fraudlent attacker who owned that INR seems to have signed > this request for a €1.000.000,49 wire

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> > Beyond RX/TX CPU affinity, in DANOS you can further tune power consumption > by changing the adaptive polling rate. It doesn’t, per the survey, "keep > utilization at 100% regardless of packet activity.” > Robert, you seem to be conflating DPDK with DANOS' power control algorithms that

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
Sorry, last line should have been: "intended to get an impression of how widespread ***knowledge of*** DPDK's core operating inefficiency is", not: "intended to get an impression of how widespread DPDK's core operating inefficiency is" On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:22 AM Etienne-Victor Depasquale

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Douglas Fischer
I'm very happy to see interest in DPDK and power consumption. But IMHO, the questions do not cover the actual reality of DPDK. That característic of "100% CPU" depends on several aspects, like: - How old are the hardware on DPDK. - What type of DPDK Instructions are made(Very Dynamic as

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> > The way I saw, the questions induce the public to conclude that DPDK > ALWAYS has 100% CPU usage, which is not true. I don't concur. Every research paper I've read indicates that, regardless of whether it has packets to process or not, DPDK PMDs (poll-mode drivers) prevent the CPU from

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Pawel Malachowski
Dnia Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 08:33:35AM -0300, Douglas Fischer napisał(a): > But IMHO, the questions do not cover the actual reality of DPDK. > That característic of "100% CPU" depends on several aspects, like: > - How old are the hardware on DPDK. > - What type of DPDK Instructions are made(Very

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> you can sign over something which ways "the person identified by the > following public key is to be permitted to ..." you mean the fraudlent attacker who owned that INR seems to have signed this request for a €1.000.000,49 wire transfer to their iban. a person is not identified by that

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
>>> you can sign over something which ways "the person identified by the >>> following public key is to be permitted to ..." >> >> you mean the fraudlent attacker who owned that INR seems to have signed >> this request for a €1.000.000,49 wire transfer to their iban. a person >> is not identified

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
Here are a few references. Strictly speaking, DPDK and SR-IOV are orthogonal. DPDK is intended to facilitate cloud-native operation through hardware independence. SR-IOV presumes SR-IOV-compliant hardware. [1] Z. Xu, F. Liu, T. Wang, and H. Xu, “Demystifying the energy efficiency of Network

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread t...@pelican.org
On Thursday, 18 February, 2021 22:37, "Warren Kumari" said: > 4: Not too long after I started doing networking (and for the same small > ISP in Yonkers), I'm flying off to install a new customer. I (of course) > think that I'm hot stuff because I'm going to do the install, configure the >

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Pawel Malachowski
Dnia Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 01:01:45PM +0100, Etienne-Victor Depasquale napisał(a): > It is, after all, Intel's response to the problem of general-purpose > scheduling of its processors - which prevents the processor from being > viable under high networking loads. It totally makes sense to busy

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Alain Hebert
    Well...     During my younger days, that button was used a few time by the operator of a VM/370 to regain control from someone with a "curious mind" *cought* *cought*... - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770

LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Douglas Fischer
I believe that almost everyone in here knows that LOAs for Cross Connects in Datacenters and Telecom Rooms can be a pain... I don't know if I'm suggesting something that already exists. Or even if I'm suggesting something that could be unpopular for some reason. But every time I need to deal

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:19 AM Douglas Fischer wrote: > > I believe that almost everyone in here knows that LOAs for Cross Connects in > Datacenters and Telecom Rooms can be a pain... > > I don't know if I'm suggesting something that already exists. > Or even if I'm suggesting something that

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> > It consumes 100% only if you busy poll (which is the default approach). > Precisely. It is, after all, Intel's response to the problem of general-purpose scheduling of its processors - which prevents the processor from being viable under high networking loads. Cheers, Etienne On Mon, Feb

RE: CGNAT

2021-02-22 Thread na...@jima.us
While I don't doubt the accuracy of Lee's presentation at the time, at least two base factors have changed since then: - Greater deployment of IPv6 content (necessitating less CGN capacity per user) - Increased price of Legacy IP space on the secondary market (changing the formula) -- strictly

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Bruce H McIntosh
On 2/22/21 9:14 AM, Alain Hebert wrote: *[External Email]*     Well...     During my younger days, that button was used a few time by the operator of a VM/370 to regain control from someone with a "curious mind" *cought* *cought*... Two horror stories I remember from long ago when I

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 05:48:06PM +, Mel Beckman wrote: > Sorry Global Warmists, Right. Sure. Also, the earth is 6,000 years old (and flat), the moon landings were faked, creationism is real, dinosaurs and humans co-existed, vaccines cause autism, Elvis is alive, and...how does that line

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Jethro R Binks
On Fri, 19 Feb 2021, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > > I explain using my "talking to a 5 year old" voice that it > > most certainly is a router. He tells me that lying to airport security > > is a federal offense, and starts looming at me. I adjust my attitude > > and start explaining that it's like

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Douglas Fischer
Well... I must confess that I had some difficulty on the first understanding of what is proposed. But after the 4 reads, I saw that this "spaghetti" thing is more powerful than I could imagine! Please correct me if I'm no right: But it looks like a "crypto sign and publishes" anything related

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > > are you asking about something like this: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-rsc/ > > > > Which COULD be used to, as an AS holder: > > "sign something to be sent between you and the colo and your intended

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:50 PM Regis M. Donovan wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:34:39PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > And to put it on topic, cover your EPOs > > I worked somewhere with an uncovered EPO, which was okay until we had a > telco tech in who was used to a different data

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Brandon Svec via NANOG
OK, I looked closer. I see it is a self titled opinion piece so there is that. Next, I see all the links in the article go to questionable sites (not .edu or scientific organizations, etc.) except one cherry picked NOAA stat for a single event type for a single year. Last, the writer is the

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Douglas Fischer
What if PeeringDB would be the CA for the Facilities? Supposedly this solves the CA problem of the "Colo Folks". Would PeeringDB be interested in that? Em seg., 22 de fev. de 2021 às 16:04, Christopher Morrow < morrowc.li...@gmail.com> escreveu: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Randy Bush

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Rod Beck
Exactly. The weather is not a stationary time series. The moments of the probability distribution are not time invariant. From: NANOG on behalf of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 6:18 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Texas internet

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
>> way back, the rirs were very insistant that their use of rpki authority >> was most emphatically not to be considered an identity service. this >> permeated the design; e.g., organization names were specifically >> forbidden in certificate CN, Subject Alternative Name, etc. >> > > yup, I

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Dovid Bender
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:05 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:50 PM Regis M. Donovan > wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:34:39PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >> > And to put it on topic, cover your EPOs >> >> I worked somewhere with an uncovered EPO, which was

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Jared Geiger
DANOS lets you specify how many dataplane cores you use versus control plane cores. So if you put a 16 core host in to handle 2GB of traffic, you can adjust the dataplane worker cores as needed. Control plane cores don't stay at 100% utilization. I use that technique plus DANOS runs on VMware

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:34:35AM -0800, Sabri Berisha wrote: > With apologies to those on the list who still use mutt/pine etc. 1. "still"? Competent professionals with security awareness use text-only email clients as a matter of basic self-defense. I trust it's obvious why those of us who

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Tony Finch
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > Me: Did you order that EPO cover? > Her: Nope. There are apparently two kinds of EPO cover: - the kind that stops you from pressing the button by mistake; - and the kind that doesn't, and instead locks the button down to make sure it isn't un-pressed

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> But it looks like a "crypto sign and publishes" anything related to an > organization. that is the problem with this discussion. it does not. it allows one to show ownership of an AS or prefix. it does not show ownership or authority over an organization. keep your trust model straight.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 20:28, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > right: artificial sweeteners are safe, WMDs were in Iraq, and Anna Nicole Hope you meant to write 'unsafe', as the conspiracy theory is that aspartame is unsafe, the science says it is safe.

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:06 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > >> way back, the rirs were very insistant that their use of rpki authority > >> was most emphatically not to be considered an identity service. this > >> permeated the design; e.g., organization names were specifically > >> forbidden in

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mel Beckman
What offended you? The term “Global Warmist”? It’s an accurate description of people who hold that climate change is causing more frequent and severe weather, due to heating of the atmosphere. And your argument about “Forbes for something related to science” fails on the classic logical

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
Long ago, in a galaxy far away I worked for a gov't contractor on site at a gov't site... We had our own cute little datacenter, and our 4 building complex had a central power distribution setup from utility -> buildings. It was really quite nice :) (the job, the buildings, the power and cute

Re: Support for End User Services

2021-02-22 Thread Keith Stokes
I’ve always used wording such as “I’m contacting you on behalf of so-and-so.” If they ask further I usually tell them I’m a consultant. On Feb 20, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Leave aside any conversation about whether the business has the ability (or

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mel Beckman
Sorry Global Warmists, But Extreme Weather Events Are Becoming Less Extreme Just about every type of extreme weather event is becoming less frequent and less severe in recent years as our planet continues its modest warming in the wake of the Little Ice Age. While global warming activists

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mel Beckman
Rich, Calling my opposing argument “trash”, and then falsely linking it to unrelated theories on vaccines, evolution, moon landings, and dietary supplements, is intellectually dishonest and professionally rude. Why don’t you respond to the facts raised in the article? Does your religion not

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
I forgot to point out that on Friday 26th, I'll share the results collected through a link or a series of screenshots. Cheers, Etienne On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:15 PM Pawel Malachowski < pawmal-na...@freebsd.lublin.pl> wrote: > Dnia Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 01:01:45PM +0100, Etienne-Victor

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:23:22PM +, Bret Clark wrote: > Texas doesn't generally experience this type of extreme cold. That was then; this is now. As scientist Jeff Masters put it most of a decade ago: The atmosphere I grew up with no longer exists. My new motto with

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:09 AM t...@pelican.org wrote: > On Thursday, 18 February, 2021 22:37, "Warren Kumari" > said: > > > 4: Not too long after I started doing networking (and for the same small > > ISP in Yonkers), I'm flying off to install a new customer. I (of course) > > think that I'm

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Regis M. Donovan
On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:34:39PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > And to put it on topic, cover your EPOs I worked somewhere with an uncovered EPO, which was okay until we had a telco tech in who was used to a different data center where a similar looking button controlled the door access, so

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mel Beckman
Saku, I see that not one of your references addresses the facts pointed out by Forbes. Rather than a shotgun response, can you counter the evidence cited that disproves the claim that climate events are getting more frequent and severe? it’s a fair topic for NANOG. The idea that

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Brandon Svec via NANOG
> On Feb 22, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Sorry Global Warmists, Stopped taking you seriously or reading further right there. Well, that and linking to Forbes for something related to science. Best.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mel Beckman
Rod, I brought up a single objection to a single claim. You choose to dismiss me because I “don’t accept the basic premise.” Why don’t you respond to the specific facts I cited? Why resort to personal attacks? Name calling is the last resort of the man with no argument. -mel On Feb 22,

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Saku Ytti
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 19:57, Mel Beckman wrote: > Sorry Global Warmists, But Extreme Weather Events Are Becoming Less Extreme > Just about every type of extreme weather event is becoming less frequent and > less severe in recent years as our planet continues its modest warming in the > wake

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Rod Beck
Mel, just please remove yourself from this conversation if you don't accept the basic premise. Go and find those missing votes in Georgia. Best, -R. From: NANOG on behalf of Brandon Svec via NANOG Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:16 PM To: nanog@nanog.org

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> are you asking about something like this: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-rsc/ > > Which COULD be used to, as an AS holder: > "sign something to be sent between you and the colo and your intended peer" > > that you could sign (with your rpki stuffs) and your

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Stephen Satchell
When I lived in Oklahoma, the mantra of the locals was "if you don't like the weather, wait five minutes." As a member of a Boy Scout troop in the northern part of the Sooner State, we were told, repeatedly, to expect anything from broiling to deep freeze on our campouts. One such outing was

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Brandon Svec via NANOG
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 11:37 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > > > Either weather events are getting worse, or they aren’t. No, nothing is so black and white. Certainly not science. > I provided solid evidence that they are diminishing. No, you didn't. You shared an opinion piece written by the

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread George Michaelson
The LOA type model is one of the ones we showed on slideware when we presented RTA in IETF, and at the CloudFlare RPKI workshop years ago. The detached signature model inherent in RTA and RSC goes to "you define the business logic" It's not proscriptive. I saw nothing proposed here which I

STOP USING FONT SIZE SMALL Was: Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Mark Andrews
Really, does anyone here think that it is good form to send email with font size *SMALL*? If your MUA does this by default complain to the developers. The default should be “medium”. If the font is too big on your screen change the magnification *you* choose to display to *yourself*, don’t

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mike Hammett
I can argue about this all day on Facebook or Twitter (and sometimes do, whether trolling or serious depends on the day). Let's reign it back in to network operations concerns. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Robert Bays
Beyond RX/TX CPU affinity, in DANOS you can further tune power consumption by changing the adaptive polling rate. It doesn’t, per the survey, "keep utilization at 100% regardless of packet activity.” Adaptive polling changes in DPDK optimize for tradeoffs between power consumption,

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 22, 2021, at 7:02 AM, t...@pelican.org wrote: > On Thursday, 18 February, 2021 22:37, "Warren Kumari" > said: > >> 4: Not too long after I started doing networking (and for the same small >> ISP in Yonkers), I'm flying off to install a new customer. I (of course) >> think that I'm hot

Re: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Jared Geiger
"set system default dataplane cpu-affinity 3-7" is what I have set for my use case. Technically its 5 cores out of 8 total, but 4 are polling cores and 1 manages those 4. Then the control plane is 3 plus the leftover cycles of the 1 manager core. On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:04 PM Etienne Depasquale

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Feb 18, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Jen Linkova wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:40 AM Warren Kumari wrote: >> 4: Not too long after I started doing networking (and for the same small ISP >> in Yonkers), I'm flying off to install a new customer. I (of course) think >> that I'm hot stuff

RE: DPDK and energy efficiency

2021-02-22 Thread Etienne Depasquale
Thanks Jared; that's very interesting. Earlier today, I had a private exchange of emails regarding the progressive development of architectures specific to the domain of high-speed networking functions. Your note reinforces the notion that this “hard” partitioning of cores is a key part of the

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread bzs
At Boston Univ we discovered the hard way that a security guard's walkie-talkie could cause a $5,000 (or $10K for the big machine room) Halon dump. Took a couple of times before we figured out the connection tho once someone made it to the hold button before it actually dumped. Speaking of

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Ben Cannon
You guys build how you want. At 6x7 we are building to prepare for possible climactic shifts. The origin need not be anthropogenic, but that doesn’t look good. “Doing nothing” isn’t really an option, and “doing what republicans want because they say so and they’re my dad” isn’t a good

RE: Famous operational issues

2021-02-22 Thread Tony Wicks
Many years ago I experienced a very similar thing. The DC/Integrator I worked for outsourced the co-location and operation of mainframe services for several banks and government organisations. One of these banks had a significant investment in AS/400's and they decided that it was so much

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-22 Thread Mel Beckman
Brandon, Actually, no, I don’t have to do science to object to claims made by scientists. Even when there is a consensus. I can simply cite data, and it is the duty of the person making the claim to defend their theory. If you’re going to defend it for them, then you need to cite countering

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:44 PM Douglas Fischer wrote: > > What if PeeringDB would be the CA for the Facilities? > Supposedly this solves the CA problem of the "Colo Folks". > I think pushing your security identification out (as the notional equinix) to a third party where you can't

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
>> What if PeeringDB would be the CA for the Facilities? >> Supposedly this solves the CA problem of the "Colo Folks". > > I think pushing your security identification out (as the notional > equinix) to a third party where you can't revoke/change/etc is asking > for dangerous things to happen.