It’s already spread to the news -
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/
Ryan
From: NANOG On Behalf Of George
Herbert
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM
To: Nanog
Subject: Ukraine request yikes
Posted by
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:19 AM George Herbert
wrote:
> Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter…
> https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21
>
> https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS
>
> Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off,
> revoke address delegations,
Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter…
https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21
https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS
Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke
address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia.
Seems… instability creating…
-george
>
> Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
> they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
> a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
> I applaud the humanitarian aspect of providing Starlink service,
On 3/1/22 10:35, Crist Clark wrote:
So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for
free somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if
you can’t do business in the country?
1. Elon can afford it.
2. Marketing value is huge.
--
Jay Hennigan -
The problem with all this talk, especially with trusted international neutral
organizations, is that once they bend they will never be trusted again.
Shutting off the routes, removing TLDs (or keeping them because of politics),
etc will cause irreparable damage to these organizations. Bowing
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:59 AM Scott McGrath wrote:
> Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
> they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
> a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
> I applaud
Again, aside from turning off the ICANN-operated root servers (which would be
pointless), the remainder of the requests from the UA Government Advisory
Committee member are not something ICANN could/would do unilaterally regardless
of the validity of the justification.
Regards,
-drc
> On Mar
Kinda like sending Captain Kirk on a space launch. Amazing marketing!
On 3/1/22 11:41, Phineas Walton wrote:
This is more of a brand image / marketing stunt for Starlink. A pretty
ingenious way to market which will heavily pay off long term. To them,
this is cheap for how much attention it’s
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 10:38 AM Crist Clark wrote:
> So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
> do business in the country?
>
It's not like Google is billing anyone for using 8.8.8.8 et
Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
I applaud the humanitarian aspect of providing Starlink service,
On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:16 AM, George Herbert wrote:
> Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke
> address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia.
More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has asked
ICANN to:
- Revoke .RU, .рф, and
On Tue Mar 01, 2022 at 10:35:21AM -0800, Crist Clark wrote:
> So they???re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can???t
> do business in the country?
Who knows but someone got an imported one running
I think you are significantly overestimating the quality, quantity and will of
the Russians to do such a thing as shoot down another countries satellites. In
case it wasn’t clear from the preceding week there is a significant difference
between the image of conventional weapon strength the
On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
>> More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has
>> asked ICANN to:
>> - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .SU (all Russian-managed ccTLDs)
>>
>> As the GAC member undoubtedly knows, that’s not how ICANN works. Barring a
>>
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On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> See .SU.
>
> (SU was moved from allocated to "transitionally reserved” back when the
> USSR broke up. My recollection is that an agreement was reached by which
> .SU users would be migrated out to
On Tue, 2022-03-01 at 15:18 -0500, Tom Beecher wrote:
> > Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite
> > weapons and they probably will not hesitate to use them which will
> > make low earth orbit a very dangerous place when Russia starts
> > blowing up the Starlink birds. I
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:17 AM George Herbert wrote:
>
> Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter…
> https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21
>
> https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS
>
> Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke
> address delegations,
I concur, this is an extremely dangerous slippery slope that ICANN should
refrain. There’s the possibility for misfires, misattribution and
miscalculation that could backfire which is extremely concerning.
—
regards,
/vrode
> On Mar 1, 2022, at 00:56, Matthew Petach wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> On
> More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has
> asked ICANN to:
> - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .SU (all Russian-managed ccTLDs)
>
> As the GAC member undoubtedly knows, that’s not how ICANN works. Barring a
> court/executive order in ICANN’s jurisdiction (and even then, it
Hello,
On 3/1/22 21:08, David Conrad wrote:
- Shutdown the root server instances operated by ICANN that are within
Russia
ICANN could conceivably do this unilaterally, but there are a lot more
root server instances operated by other RSOs (including RIPE NCC,
Verisign, ISC, and NASA).
It's
I don’t hear anyone in the networks field supporting doing it.
It was a yikes that the request was made, but not looking at all likely to
happen IMHO.
-george
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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:12 PM, Brian R wrote:
>
>
> The problem with all this talk, especially with trusted
Not sure how I feel about this. My thoughts have always been to leave
government out of Internet operations or otherwise they get comfortable and
will want to make decisions that we may not be comfortable with.
During wartime, I would think the desire would be to have them connected in
order
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:47 AM Dovid Bender wrote:
>
> From a quick google search it seems to be 14593.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:48 PM Ong Beng Hui wrote:
>>
>> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>>
>> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
One way to avoid
Yes, most starlink is via AS36492. They also have AS27277, though I'm not
sure if that's in active use for consumer traffic.
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 11:58, ic wrote:
> Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
>
> > On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui
So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
do business in the country?
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:39 PM Jay Hennigan wrote:
> On 2/28/22 16:17, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> > As a practical
As Google's ASN?
https://bgp.he.net/AS36492
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM ic wrote:
> Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
>
> > On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
> >
> > Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
> >
> > That throw geo
Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
> On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
>
> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>
> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
Starlink uses Google as their ground provider - Google invested $1bn into
Starlink so it’s no wonder.
Phin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:58 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> As Google's ASN?
>
> https://bgp.he.net/AS36492
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM ic wrote:
>
>> Friends who have Starlink
This is more of a brand image / marketing stunt for Starlink. A pretty
ingenious way to market which will heavily pay off long term. To them, this
is cheap for how much attention it’s getting them.
Phin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:36 PM Crist Clark wrote:
> So they’re going to offer the service
I think they were all that way, but I believe traffic is moving over to 14593.
https://bgp.he.net/AS14593
I've seen people post on their social media that their routing changed.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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China has worried that the root server operators would do such a thing to them,
and I have argued that it is contrary to our published principles (RaSSAC055)
and or practice. “We have never done so; what would that serve?”
I have the same question here.
Sent using a machine that autocorrects
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"
- John Gilmore
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Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
Regarding the portion of the request to the RIPE NCC to withdraw the relevant
Russia registered IP address blocks, it appears that the RIPE NCC has
reiterated their position on such disputes -
>From a quick google search it seems to be 14593.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:48 PM Ong Beng Hui wrote:
> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>
> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
>
> On 3/1/2022 6:55 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
> >
>
Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe writes:
> What else is like that and easy to remember and isn’t 1.1.1.1 ?
1.1 :)
-tih
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Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance
of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay
>> Sorry if I'm slow, but isn't that a chicken-and-egg problem?
Normal DoT/DoH problem has bootstrap DNS setting, you always need to set a
bootstrap DNS server to resolve the DoT/DoH domains, so this is not a problem.
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