Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia

2022-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
*nods* Two conversations: 1) What does tier 1 mean? 2) Does it matter? 1) Varies, based on if you are trying to include yourself in that list or not. 2) No. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com -

Re: FEC AO 2022-14

2022-08-02 Thread Dave Taht
I welcomed bulk mail after I switched to reading news online - needed something to start the fireplace. If I could I'd ban plastic envelope windows.

Re: FEC AO 2022-14

2022-08-02 Thread Anne Mitchell
> On Aug 1, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Michael Rathbun wrote: > > The incremental cost of unwanted postal mail deposited in a recycling bin > in most US municipalities is 0.% of the monthly charge. The sender is, > however, paying USPS for (however degraded) delivery. This works for me. Just to

Re: FEC AO 2022-14

2022-08-02 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 8/1/22 9:47 PM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote: On Aug 1, 2022, at 9:38 PM, Michael Rathbun wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 12:11:07 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: At our residence, the US mailbox is positioned near the recycling bin. Bulk mail generally goes directly into recycling

Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia

2022-08-02 Thread Tom Beecher
> > This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. > I would argue even the 'conventional' definition of 'Tier 1' has been nebulous for long enough that it doesn't really matter much anymore. Who a network connects with and how is all that matters, regardless of what

Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia

2022-08-02 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Aug 2, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: > > This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. > > I would argue even the 'conventional' definition of 'Tier 1' has been > nebulous for long enough that it doesn't really matter much anymore. > > Who a

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Michael Thomas via NANOG
On 8/2/22 12:30 PM, Jim Popovitch via NANOG wrote: On Tue, 2022-08-02 at 11:24 -0700, Michael Thomas via NANOG wrote: On 8/2/22 11:18 AM, Chris Adams via NANOG wrote: Once upon a time, Chris Adams said: Once upon a time, Jared Mauch said: Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread John Levine via NANOG
It appears that Michael Thomas via NANOG said: > >On 8/2/22 12:30 PM, Jim Popovitch via NANOG wrote: >> It's been doing it for ages for p=reject, but not p=none (the latter >> being Jared's situation) I don't understand Jared's concern. His DMARC policy, like mine, is p=none which tells

Re: NANOG List posts but not DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine via NANOG
I did manage to get someone to flip the setting so hopefully I’m not getting a lot of bounce back from this e-mail. Once again, if you were getting bounces, they had nothing to do with DMARC because you don't publish a DMARC policy. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator

Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia

2022-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Well right, to some people it matters, but given enough time, they'll experience (though probably not learn) why it doesn't. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Jared Mauch"

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Michael Thomas via NANOG
On 8/2/22 11:18 AM, Chris Adams via NANOG wrote: Once upon a time, Chris Adams said: Once upon a time, Jared Mauch said: Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s problematic as if one posts and does DMARC and has feedback on, our messages are possibly rejected, and

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Chris Adams via NANOG
Once upon a time, Jared Mauch said: > Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s problematic as > if one posts and does DMARC and has feedback on, our messages are possibly > rejected, and the feedback from a post is quite large. The list is doing the DMARC handling (From

NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Jared Mauch
Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s problematic as if one posts and does DMARC and has feedback on, our messages are possibly rejected, and the feedback from a post is quite large. Not sure who manages it anymore these days. - Jared

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Chris Adams via NANOG
Once upon a time, Chris Adams said: > Once upon a time, Jared Mauch said: > > Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s problematic > > as if one posts and does DMARC and has feedback on, our messages are > > possibly rejected, and the feedback from a post is quite large.

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Jim Popovitch via NANOG
On Tue, 2022-08-02 at 11:24 -0700, Michael Thomas via NANOG wrote: > On 8/2/22 11:18 AM, Chris Adams via NANOG wrote: > > Once upon a time, Chris Adams said: > > > Once upon a time, Jared Mauch said: > > > > Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s > > > > problematic as if

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Jared Mauch via NANOG
> On Aug 2, 2022, at 4:31 PM, John Levine via NANOG wrote: > > It appears that Michael Thomas via NANOG said: >> >> On 8/2/22 12:30 PM, Jim Popovitch via NANOG wrote: >>> It's been doing it for ages for p=reject, but not p=none (the latter >>> being Jared's situation) > > I don't

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Bryan Fields via NANOG
On 8/2/22 1:16 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s problematic as > if one posts and does DMARC and has feedback on, our messages are possibly > rejected, and the feedback from a post is quite large. > > Not sure who manages it anymore these

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Chris Adams via NANOG
Once upon a time, Bryan Fields said: > The list is configured to wrap anyone posting from a domain with a with a > DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy (dmarc_moderation_action). If you don't have > this set on your domain, the list will not wrap your message (which is the > correct behavior as it

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread Bryan Fields via NANOG
On 8/2/22 8:46 PM, Chris Adams via NANOG wrote: > Once upon a time, Bryan Fields said: >> The list is configured to wrap anyone posting from a domain with a with a >> DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy (dmarc_moderation_action). If you don't have >> this set on your domain, the list will not wrap

Re: NANOG List posts and DMARC

2022-08-02 Thread John Levine via NANOG
It appears that Jared Mauch said: >Can someone flip the option in Mailman for DMARC please, it’s problematic as >if one posts and does DMARC and has feedback on, our >messages are possibly rejected, and the feedback from a post is quite large. I checked with Jared and he seems to misunderstand