On 5/4/23 11:40, Denis Fondras wrote:
You may also take into account the time to deliver.
Laying fiber takes much more time than plugging a colored optic.
Indeed - part of the expense of running new fibre is the time it takes
to start making money from it.
Mark.
On 5/4/23 12:58, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote:
Well, ISP is typically plan something for a year. It is more than enough for
both.
The real world is much less certain, especially in these economic times.
Funny, that with the current lead times for electronics, Fiber could be faster.
Le Wed, May 03, 2023 at 06:20:48AM +, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG a écrit :
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> Additionally, I am sure that in many countries/Metro it is cheaper to lay
> down a new fiber than to provision DWDM, even if it is a pizza box. The
> colored interface is still very expensive.
> Of course, there
Well, ISP is typically plan something for a year. It is more than enough for
both.
Funny, that with the current lead times for electronics, Fiber could be faster.
Of course, it is a temporary glitch.
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> Well, ISP is typically plan something for a year. It is more than enough
> for both.
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s/more/should be/
The economics are such these days that in many circumstances, bean counters
don't want to hear about payback in years, they want to hear it in
quarters. Short term financial thinking is
> On May 4, 2023, at 6:21 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 5/4/23 11:40, Denis Fondras wrote:
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>> You may also take into account the time to deliver.
>> Laying fiber takes much more time than plugging a colored optic.
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> Indeed - part of the expense of running new fibre is the time
Many Big PTTs have a lot of ducts in many places, it is easy for them to lay
fibers, especially in cities.
Ge
> Le 4 mai 2023 à 14:27, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG a écrit :
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> I had an experience in one big PTT. Fiber was easy in the majority of Metro
> places.
> Even faster than DWDM or
I had an experience in one big PTT. Fiber was easy in the majority of Metro
places.
Even faster than DWDM or router commissioning.
It is just 1 PTT. Hence, an example could not be counted.
Eduard
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It’s not necessarily metro specific although the metro networks could lend
themselves to overall optimizations.
The adoption of ZR/ZR+ IPoWDM currently somewhat corresponds with your adoption
of 400G since today they require a QDD port. There are 100G QDD ports but
that’s not all that
> The economics are such these days that in many circumstances, bean counters
> don't want to hear about payback in years, they want to hear it in quarters.
> Short term financial thinking is dominant.
True. The industry is on decline. On the way to other utilities.
But then any project is a
I can't speak for aptum, but I'm curious as to why this is important to
you? I'm not trying to discount this at all, just curious why this
matters in the internet of 2023.
I went through a couple years back and removed all of our mostly outdated
SWIP data and replaced it with generic
It seems Aptum has decided they will no longer SWIP any of their
address space. I've been trying to get a SWIP for a /48 that we
were allocated in 2017, but they refuse. And I also see they have
pro-actively gone in and un-SWIPed both our /24s.
Since you are ignoring my tickets about this,
On 5/4/23 15:03, Jared Mauch wrote:
I’m a bit shocked that I now need a 288F cable on some of my routes to support
future expansion, but that fiber cost is still small compared to the labor.
Yes, labour is generally the cost.
And then way-leaves add cost in terms of time and lost
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 9:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
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> I can't speak for aptum, but I'm curious as to why this is important to
> you? I'm not trying to discount this at all, just curious why this
> matters in the internet of 2023.
>
> I went through a
On 5/4/23 14:27, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
I had an experience in one big PTT. Fiber was easy in the majority of Metro
places.
Even faster than DWDM or router commissioning.
It is just 1 PTT. Hence, an example could not be counted.
Yeah - I usually tend to look at what happens in the
On 5/4/23 19:32, Phil Bedard wrote:
It’s my personal opinion we aren’t to the days yet of where we can
simply build an all packet network with no photonic switching that
carries all services, but eventually (random # of years) it gets there
for many networks. There are also always going to
Disclaimer: Metaverse has not changed Metro traffic yet. Then ...
I am puzzled when people talk about 400GE and Tbps in the Mero context.
For historical reasons, Metro is still about 2*2*10GE (one "2" for redundancy,
another "2" for capacity) in the majority of cases worldwide.
How many BRASes
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