Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-10 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Charles N Wyble wrote: I am simply suggesting it is dangerous and irresponsible to run an IRR with only MAIL-FROM authentication, and quite easy to also support CRYPT-PW. ARIN should either support passwords or immediately make The trouble is, since the DES crypt

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-10 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Charles N Wyble wrote: I am simply suggesting it is dangerous and irresponsible to run an IRR with only MAIL-FROM authentication, and quite easy to also support CRYPT-PW.  ARIN should either support

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread John Curran
On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: I would like to note that RADB had route6: support in about 2004 or so, if my memory serves me; while the ARIN database did not accept route6 objects until about a year ago. So it is not exactly a high priority for ARIN. The priority of IRR

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, John Curran wrote: Should IRR services be part of the ARIN mission? If that's a serious question, why does rr.arin.net exist at all? -- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread John Curran
On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: Should IRR services be part of the ARIN mission? If that's a serious question, why does rr.arin.net exist at all? Jon - Existence of not in and of itself proof that the services are presently desired by the community, nor that there are

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Randy Bush
Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? 2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? the irr is slightly useful today. so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin providing an open and free instance is a public good. again, iff it is easy and cheap. and please

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:   Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features?           2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? the irr is slightly useful today.  so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin providing an open and free

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Randy Bush
  Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features?           2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? the irr is slightly useful today.  so, iff it is cheap and easy, arin providing an open and free instance is a public good.  again, iff it is easy and cheap.  and

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: jeff, i do not disagree that running an irr instance with only mail-from is s 1980s.  and, as mans points out, there is free software out there to do it (i recommend irrd).  but i do not see good cause for arin to spend

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 03:41 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? 2) believe IRR services should be provided by ARIN? I am

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 03:48 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Do you: 1) want IRR services, and if so, with what features? I think so. In theory it seems useful. In practice... http://www.renesys.com/blog/2009/05/keeping-score.shtml not so much. 2)

Re: AltDB? (IRR support direction at ARIN)

2011-01-09 Thread Charles Gucker
I had a vague concept of IRR before this thread, and have researched them as a result of it. They seem quite useful. I didn't know anything about RPKI before this thread. I'm looking into that now. So I don't think ARIN should spend it's limited resources on anything to do with it's copy of