* na...@radu-adrian.feurdean.net (Radu-Adrian Feurdean) [Sun 22 Jul 2018, 13:27
CEST]:
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, at 15:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
Fast.com will pull from multiple nodes at the same time. I think there
Here in Europe, fast.com consistently proven to be 100% UNreliable,
especially on
On 22/Jul/18 15:25, Mike Hammett wrote:
> As someone that has built his own last-mile ISP and knows first hand
> literally hundreds of others and coaches thousands more through social media
> and a podcast, yes, I realize what I'm saying when I say to build your own
> last mile.
Hell,
Typical electrical breakers are not instantaneous devices and likely will not
trip at .5% over rated load until they've been run near limit for extended
periods of time.
-
Keith Stokes
> On Jul 22, 2018, at 5:52 AM, Radu-Adrian Feurdean
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, at 18:12,
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- Original Message -
From: "Radu-Adrian Feurdean"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 2:46:25 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, at 16:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Build your
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, at 15:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Fast.com will pull from multiple nodes at the same time. I think there
Here in Europe, fast.com consistently proven to be 100% UNreliable, especially
on high-speed FTTH. OOKla and nPerf gave better results for high-speed
connections 100% of
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, at 18:12, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home
> has 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time?
No, because at 201 Amps instantaneous the breaker will cut everything.
> Highly highly
On 22/Jul/18 09:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote:
> You may argue that some of those issues do not apply in North America (the NA
> from NANOG), but NANOG became pretty much global :)
I am certain that there are places in (North) America where you cannot
"build your own" or "order 10% more"...
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, at 16:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Build your own last mile or order that 10% more?
Do you realize what you are saying ? Let me offer a few translations:
1. "Don't spend N00 Currency/month for X Mbps from your customer to your
aggregation DC on an existing NNI, but pay
On 07/20/2018 11:22 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
> Oops, failure to communicate... They folks on the
> eyeball end have consumer grade satellite internet
> with VSATs in their yard. Thus my CDN in the
> satellite joke.
That idea would work better with a constellation of LEO satellites, as
opposed
On 21/Jul/18 08:22, Scott Weeks wrote:
>
> Oops, failure to communicate... They folks on the
> eyeball end have consumer grade satellite internet
> with VSATs in their yard. Thus my CDN in the
> satellite joke.
Ah, got you :-).
Well, if the earth station on the other side is in a
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
On 20/Jul/18 21:37, Scott Weeks wrote:
> Could you explain that? Do you mean logically
> near the ground stations?
I mean physically in the ISP's backbone.
--
Oops, failure to communicate... They folks on the
On 20/Jul/18 21:37, Scott Weeks wrote:
> Could you explain that? Do you mean logically near the
> ground stations?
I mean physically in the ISP's backbone.
They would use the satellite link for cache-fill, but then deliver
content locally. This should speed things up a great deal.
Having
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
From: Mark Tinka
On 20/Jul/18 00:13, Scott Weeks wrote:
> What I meant to say is a lot of folks get connectivity
> through satellite. 500msec plus and jitter to spare.
Would having local CDN caches help satellite-based
providers? Sure...
On 19/Jul/18 17:29, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Mark already knows this, but for the benefit of the North American network
> operators on the list, **where** in Africa makes a huge difference. Certain
> submarine cables reach certain coastal cities at very different transport
> prices, depending on
On 20/Jul/18 00:13, Scott Weeks wrote:
> What I meant to say is a lot of folks get connectivity
> through satellite. 500msec plus and jitter to spare.
>
> Further it's expensive and all the 'busy' sites cost a
> lot of money to download the stuff folks on this list
> don't blink an eye at
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
From: Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 22:43, Scott Weeks wrote:
> I know we're talking about Africa and other less well
> connected countries, but good luck with that in the
> Pacific, which covers about 1/3 of the planet.
>
>
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
From: Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 22:43, Scott Weeks wrote:
> I know we're talking about Africa and other less well
> connected countries, but good luck with that in the
> Pacific, which covers about 1/3 of the planet.
>
>
On 19/Jul/18 22:43, Scott Weeks wrote:
>
> I know we're talking about Africa and other less well
> connected countries, but good luck with that in the
> Pacific, which covers about 1/3 of the planet.
>
> https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/pacific-size.html
Yeah, things and people tend to
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
From: Mark Tinka
On 18/Jul/18 16:58, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> ... What's really interesting is how gaming is changing
> and within the next few years I do expect a lot of games
> to move into the remote rendering world. You need to
> have <=30 ms of latency
On 19/Jul/18 17:08, Tei wrote:
> tl:dr: the web is evolving into a network of applications, instead of
> documents. Documents can't "break" easily. Programs may break
> completelly even to tiny changes. Maybe getting webmasters on board of
> biasing in favor of documents could do us all a
On 19/Jul/18 17:06, Niels Bakker wrote:
>
>
> That will happen as soon as it's affordable for them to do so - which
> requires an ecosystem of affordable and reliable independent IP
> transit/transport and colocation to exist.
Agreed, but as experience has shown, those aren't the only
Mark already knows this, but for the benefit of the North American network
operators on the list, **where** in Africa makes a huge difference. Certain
submarine cables reach certain coastal cities at very different transport
prices, depending on location, what sort of organizational structure of
On 19/Jul/18 14:57, joel jaeggli wrote:
> There is a point beyond which the network ceases to be a serious
> imposition on what you are trying to do.
>
> When it gets there, it fades into the background as a utility function.
I've seen this to be the case when customers are used to buying
On 19 July 2018 at 07:06, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 18/Jul/18 17:20, Julien Goodwin wrote:
>
>> Living in Australia this is an every day experience, especially for
>> content served out of Europe (or for that matter, Africa).
>>
>> TCP & below are rarely the biggest problem these days (at least
* mark.ti...@seacom.mu (Mark Tinka) [Thu 19 Jul 2018, 07:08 CEST]:
I'm not sure about North America, Asia-Pac or South America, but in
Europe, the gaming folk actually peer very well.
The problem for us is that is anymore from 112ms - 170ms away,
depending on which side of the continent you
On 7/19/18 1:30 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
> On 18/Jul/18 23:56, Keith Stokes wrote:
>
>> At least in the US, Jane also doesn’t really have a choice of her
>> electricity provider, so she’s not getting bombarded with advertising
>> from vendors selling “Faster WiFi” than the next guy. I don’t get
No, but you can connect iPhones with gigabit Ethernet over copper.
Jared
>-Original Message-
>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>Hammett
>Cc: NANOG list
>Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
>
> I don't think iPhones have SFP cages.
On 18/Jul/18 23:56, Keith Stokes wrote:
> At least in the US, Jane also doesn’t really have a choice of her
> electricity provider, so she’s not getting bombarded with advertising
> from vendors selling “Faster WiFi” than the next guy. I don’t get to
> choose my method of power generation and
On 18/Jul/18 17:35, Brielle Bruns wrote:
>
>
> Customers are still harping on me about going wireless on all of their
> desktops. Since most of our customers are CAD/Design/Building
> companies, during planning, we insist on at least two drops to each
> workstation, preferably 3 or more.
>
On 18/Jul/18 17:20, Julien Goodwin wrote:
> Living in Australia this is an every day experience, especially for
> content served out of Europe (or for that matter, Africa).
>
> TCP & below are rarely the biggest problem these days (at least with
> TCP-BBR & friends), far too often
On 18/Jul/18 17:00, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The game companies (and render farms) also need to work on as extensive
> peering as the top CDNs have been doing. They're getting better, but not
> quite there yet.
I'm not sure about North America, Asia-Pac or South America, but in
Europe, the
On 18/Jul/18 16:58, K. Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> I agree completely, I'm working on a paper right now for a conference
> (waiting on Wireshark to finish with my complex filter at the moment)
> that shows what's happening with gaming traffic. What's really
> interesting is how gaming is
;, "Mark Tinka"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:32:27 PM
Subject: RE: Proving Gig Speed
Whats WiFi? Is that the "noise" that escapes from the copper cables? Switch to
optical fibre, it does not emit RF noise ...
It's comeback time for IrDA ports!
OG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:32:27 PM
Subject: RE: Proving Gig Speed
Whats WiFi? Is that the "noise" that escapes from the copper cables? Switch to
optical fibre, it does not emit RF noise ...
---
The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to H
At least in the US, Jane also doesn’t really have a choice of her electricity
provider, so she’s not getting bombarded with advertising from vendors selling
“Faster WiFi” than the next guy. I don’t get to choose my method of power
generation and therefore cost per kWh. I’d love to buy $.04 from
>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>Hammett
>Sent: Tuesday, 17 July, 2018 08:42
>To: Mark Tinka
>Cc: NANOG list
>Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
>
>10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away
>from Ethernet to WiFi where the
> For a horrifying moment, I misread this as Google surfacing
> performance stats via a BGP stream by encoding stat_name:value as
> community:value
> /me goes searching for mass quantities of caffeine
Because you'll be spending the night writing up that Internet-Draft? :-)
--
Simon.
On 7/17/2018 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't think you understand the gravity of the in-home interference issue.
Unfortunately, neither does the IEEE.
It doesn't need to be in lock-step, but if a significant number of homes have
issues getting over 100 megabit wirelessly, I'm not sure
On 19/07/18 00:27, Mark Tinka wrote:
> All the peering in the world doesn't help if the latency is well over
> 100ms+. That's what we need to fix.
Living in Australia this is an every day experience, especially for
content served out of Europe (or for that matter, Africa).
TCP & below are rarely
- Original Message -
From: "K. Scott Helms"
To: "mark tinka"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:58:09 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
> Peering isn't the problem. Proximity to content is.
>
> Netflix, Google, Akamai and a few others
> Peering isn't the problem. Proximity to content is.
>
> Netflix, Google, Akamai and a few others have presence in Africa already.
> So those aren't the problem (although for those currently in Africa, not
> all of the services they offer globally are available here - just a few).
>
> A lot of
On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:24:15 -0500, Mike Hammett said:
> Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do with
> BGP Communities related to reporting.
For a horrifying moment, I misread this as Google surfacing performance stats
via a
BGP stream by encoding stat_name:value
On 18/Jul/18 16:22, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I am glad I don't have your challenges :)
>
> What's the Netflix (or other substantial OTT video provider) situation
> for direct peers? It's pretty easy and cheap for North American
> operators to get settlement free peering to Netflix,
Mark,
I am glad I don't have your challenges :)
What's the Netflix (or other substantial OTT video provider) situation for
direct peers? It's pretty easy and cheap for North American operators to
get settlement free peering to Netflix, Amazon, Youtube and others but I
don't know what that looks
On 18/Jul/18 15:48, Luke Guillory wrote:
> https://isp.google.com
>
> Thought I think this is only for when you have peering, someone can correct
> me if that's incorrect.
And also if you operate a GGC (which is very likely if you're peering).
Mark.
On 18/Jul/18 15:41, K. Scott Helms wrote:
>
>
> That's why I vastly prefer stats from the actual CDNs and content
> providers that aren't generated by speed tests. They're generated by
> measuring the actual performance of the service they deliver. Now,
> that won't prevent burden shifting,
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "K. Scott Helms"
> To: "Mike Hammett"
> Cc: "NANOG list"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 8:45:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
>
>
> Mike,
>
> What portal would that be? Do you ha
Hammett
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- Original Message -
From: "Luke Guillory"
To: "K. Scott Helms" , "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 8:48:32 AM
: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
Mike,
What portal would that be? Do you have a URL?
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do
> with BGP Communities related to reporting.
>
>
>
>
>
ANOG list" < nanog@nanog.org >
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:40:31 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is (and
can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both inside the
service provider's network) wh
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From: "K. Scott Helms"
To: "mark tinka"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 8:41:41 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On Wed, Jul 18, 201
Computing Solutions
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>
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>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "K. Scott Helms"
> To: "mark tinka"
> Cc: "NANOG list"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:40:3
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:01 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't think the content networks and CDN's should focus on
> developing yet-another-speed-test-server, because then they are just
> pushing the problem back to the ISP. I believe they should better spend
> their time:
>
>-
On 18/Jul/18 15:24, Mike Hammett wrote:
> More speedtest and quality reporting sites\services (including internal to
> big content) seem more about blaming the ISP than providing the ISP usable
> information to fix it.
Agreed.
IIRC, this all began with http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
- Original Message -
From: "K. Scott Helms"
To: "mark tinka"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:40:31 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is (and
can only) measure the
Helms"
To: "mark tinka"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:40:31 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is (and
can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both inside the
se
On 18/Jul/18 14:40, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is
> (and can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both
> inside the service provider's network) when the customer is concerned
> with traffic to and from point C
Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is (and
can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both inside the
service provider's network) when the customer is concerned with traffic to
and from point C off in someone else's network altogether. It's one of
"NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:29:31 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 18/Jul/18 14:11, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://www.ignitenet.com/wireless-backhaul/
https://www.siklu.com/product/multihaul-series/
https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish
https://m
On 18/Jul/18 14:11, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://www.ignitenet.com/wireless-backhaul/
> https://www.siklu.com/product/multihaul-series/
>
> https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish
> https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g_ap
There is a product for everything; doesn't mean it'll make
On 18/Jul/18 14:00, K. Scott Helms wrote:
>
> That's absolutely a concern Mark, but most of the CPE vendors that
> support doing this are providing enough juice to keep up with their
> max forwarding/routing data rates. I don't see 10 Gbps in residential
> Internet service being normal for
On 18/Jul/18 00:01, Saku Ytti wrote:
> Already fairly common in Finland to have just LTE dongle for Internet,
> especially for younger people. DNA quotes average consumption of 8GB
> per subscriber per month. You can get unlimited for 20eur/month, it's
> much faster than DSL with lower
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- Original Message -
From: "Mark Tinka"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:57:28 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17/Jul/18 18:07, Mike Hammett wrote:
The problem cited is the last 100', not the
On 17/Jul/18 19:44, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> Re: 10gb TTH
>
> Just a thought:
>
> Do they need 10gb? Or do they need multiple 1gb (e.g.) channels which
> might be cheaper and easier to provision?
In my house, for example, I only have a single fibre core coming into my
house (single fibre
On 17/Jul/18 19:45, James Bensley wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Our field engineers have 1G testers, but even at 1G they are costly
> (in 2018!), so none have 10Gbps or higher testers and we also only do
> this for those that demand it (i.e. no 20Mbps EFM customer ever asks
> for a JSDU/EXO test,
On 17/Jul/18 18:12, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has
> 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time? Highly
> highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp
> service in all
That's absolutely a concern Mark, but most of the CPE vendors that support
doing this are providing enough juice to keep up with their max
forwarding/routing data rates. I don't see 10 Gbps in residential Internet
service being normal for quite a long time off even if the port itself is
capable
On 17/Jul/18 18:07, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The problem cited is the last 100', not the last mile.
>
> For ISPs using 60 GHz for the last mile, a wire is ran from the outdoor
> antenna to the indoor router.
Yeah, the question was rhetorical.
I personally don't see ISP's using 60GHz to
On 17/Jul/18 17:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Most ISPs I know build their own last mile.
There's a whole world out there...
Mark.
On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 at 00:47, Alan Buxey wrote:
> another prediction would be that your internet connection (and most devices
> in house) connected by 5G - maybe with some local
> WiFi - 802.11ax - if theres still spectrum left after the LTE groups have
> taken it all for aforementioned 5G
hi,
another prediction would be that your internet connection (and most devices
in house) connected by 5G - maybe with some local
WiFi - 802.11ax - if theres still spectrum left after the LTE groups have
taken it all for aforementioned 5G purposes...
legacy devices, still around for another
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
From: Mark Tinka
As Trump said..."
--
That should be added to Godwin's Law! >:-/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
scott
> From: "James Bensley"
> Also I recommend you test to a server on you network near to your
> peering & transit edge. This way users can test up to the point where
> you would have over the "The Internet" and have no further control.
> Testing to a server off-net (like off-net Ookla tells me
On 17 July 2018 at 17:18, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I don't think you understand the gravity of the in-home interference issue.
> Unfortunately, neither does the IEEE.
>
> It doesn't need to be in lock-step, but if a significant number of homes have
> issues getting over 100 megabit wirelessly, I'm
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:44:07 -0400, b...@theworld.com said:
> Do they need 10gb? Or do they need multiple 1gb (e.g.) channels which
> might be cheaper and easier to provision?
Doesn't DOCSIS channel bonding already do that?
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SoIP surely will sure require trigabits.
Mike
On 7/17/18 8:38 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 17:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from
Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from
On 17 July 2018 at 12:50, Mark Tinka wrote:
> But to answer your questions - for some customers, we insist on JDSU
> testing for large capacities, but only if it's worth the effort.
>
> Mark.
Hi Mark,
Our field engineers have 1G testers, but even at 1G they are costly
(in 2018!), so none have
Re: 10gb TTH
Just a thought:
Do they need 10gb? Or do they need multiple 1gb (e.g.) channels which
might be cheaper and easier to provision?
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On 17 July 2018 at 09:54, Saku Ytti wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 10:53, James Bensley wrote:
>
>> Virtually any modern day laptop with a 1G NIC will saturate a 1G link
>> using UDP traffic in iPerf with ease. I crummy i3 netbook with 1G NIC
>> can do it on one core/thread.
>
> I guess if you
at best.
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- Original Message -
From: "Joe Greco"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:11:29 AM
Subject: R
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away
>> from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents
>> anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much
Message -
From: "Mark Tinka"
To: "Daniel Ankers" , "Mike Hammett" ,
"NANOG list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:58:22 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17/Jul/18 17:46, Daniel Ankers wrote:
That's unless 802.11ad/.11ay gain in pop
mmett" , "NANOG list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:46:10 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17 July 2018 at 15:41, Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from
Ethernet to WiFi where the no
On 17/Jul/18 17:46, Daniel Ankers wrote:
> That's unless 802.11ad/.11ay gain in popularity. 60GHz offers lots of
> bandwidth and isn't particularly good at getting through brick walls, which
> might offer some relief to the noise floor problem.
So if 60GHz can't get through brick walls, how
Operators' Group"
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:45:48 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17/Jul/18 16:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
Build your own last mile...
Hmmh, don't know why everyone doesn't just do that.
or order that 10% more?
As Trump said, "All I can do is ask the question..."
Mark.
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- Original Message -
From: "Saku Ytti"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "Mark Tinka" , nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:38:52 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
O
On 17/Jul/18 17:38, Saku Ytti wrote:
> I admire your confidence, when historically we've had poor success in
> these type of predictions. I seriously doubt we're now living in
> special time in history where we find the limit of consumer bandwidth
> demand, while I have no idea what would
On 17 July 2018 at 15:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from
> Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone
> from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
>
>
That's unless
On 17/Jul/18 16:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Build your own last mile...
Hmmh, don't know why everyone doesn't just do that.
> or order that 10% more?
As Trump said, "All I can do is ask the question..."
Mark.
On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away
> from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents
> anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup
> comes later.
Doesn't stop customers
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 17:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from
> Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from
> reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
I admire your
Unrelated.
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- Original Message -
From: "Brant Ian Stevens"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:47:35 AM
Subject: Re: Proving
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from
> Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from
> reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
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cott Helms"
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17/Jul/18 14:07, K. Scott Helms wrote:
That's absolutely true, but I don't see any real alternatives in some
cases. I've actually built automated testing into some of the CPE
Operators' Group"
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:12:39 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17/Jul/18 14:07, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Which is why we over provision by 10%.
After a bunch of customers, it starts to add ($$) up.
And what do you do if you don't own the last mile, a
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From: "Mark Tinka"
To: "K. Scott Helms"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 17/Jul/18 14:07, K. Scott Helms wrote:
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day, July 17, 2018 2:49:58 AM
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
On 16 July 2018 at 18:58, Chris Gross wrote:
Hi Chris,
> I'm curious what people here have found as a good standard for providing
> solid speedtest results to customers. All our techs have Dell laptops of
> various model
I use my Lenovo Thinkpad with or any "decent" client machine and run
iperf to prove the connectivity. Of course, client switch quality or
firewall can be an issue.
On 07/16/2018 01:58 PM, Chris Gross wrote:
I'm curious what people here have found as a good standard for providing solid
+1 to Jared. I’ve seen people not account for this when sizing CoS as well on
Juniper.
-Eddie
> On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:02:28PM -0500, Dan White wrote:
>> We've found that running windows in safe mode produces better results with
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On 17/Jul/18 14:18, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Get a better middle mile. That’s why we use Comcast for much of our middle
> mile.
Comcast don't operate in Africa.
Some countries don't have (m)any options.
Mark.
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