It's back with this: Ben quite succinctly sums it up on a nanog mailing list,
“Your (the service provider) user is paying you to push packets. If that’s
causing you a problem, you either need to review your commercial structure
(i.e. charge people more) or your technical network design. Face
I have heard a lot of questions and debate about whether the iOS updates
download automatically:
“Available updates download automatically if your device is connected to
Wi-Fi and a power source.”
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4623 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4623
/mark
On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Mark Lancaster markl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have heard a lot of questions and debate about whether the iOS updates
download automatically:
“Available updates download automatically if your device is connected to
Wi-Fi and a power source.”
Cutler James R james.cut...@consultant.com writes:
On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Mark Lancaster markl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have heard a lot of questions and debate about whether the iOS updates
download automatically:
Available updates download automatically if your device is
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:36:30PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using
Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be
written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them
on the
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Fixing 4 (which is an easy engineering issue) and 5 (which is an
operations policy issue that, by and large, most people in that
situation understand), *would have had a direct positive effect on
Apple's paying customers*.
Fixing 4 is something apple
On Sep 24, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Strawman, Randy.
Clearly, the Internet is *not* up to the task of
1) updating several dozen million devices
2) on links of various quality,
3) with 650MB to 1.2GB downloads and
4) a client that doesn't understand
- Original Message -
From: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
It went well for most users, it seems the 1-5% of people with odd
configs are the problem.
[ ... ]
IOS7 and monitored for it. Not everything will work for everyone, but
for the majority of users it was fine. (This from
Picked this off www.jaluri.com (network and Cisco blog aggregator):
http://routingfreak.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/ios7s-impact-on-networks-worldwide/
The consensus seems to be for providers to install CDN servers, if they
arent able to cope up with an occasional OS update traffic.
While his
On 24/09/2013 17:55, Glen Kent wrote:
Picked this off www.jaluri.com (network and Cisco blog aggregator):
http://routingfreak.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/ios7s-impact-on-networks-worldwide/
The consensus seems to be for providers to install CDN servers, if they
arent able to cope up with an
You've been robbed!
On 9/24/2013 1:36 PM, Ben wrote:
Hang on a minute.
That last paragraph in his blog sounds awfully similar to something I
posted here the other day !
He says on the 23rd of September :
Users are paying service providers to deliver their IP packets. If
providers cant
On 24/09/2013 18:54, Michael Brown wrote:
That is most assuredly a rewrite, it's not just your perception.
M.
Surprise surprise, that page now appears to Error 404... guess he must
watch the list quite closely as it didn't take long for him to react ! ;-)
Guess I should be flattered
://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=391B4B64-F693-41B7-6BBAC6D7017C3B8A
John
From: Colin Alston colin.als...@gmail.com
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 1:05
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On 23/09/13 10:32, John Smith wrote:
Picked this off www.jaluri.com (network and Cisco blog aggregator):
http://routingfreak.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/ios7s-impact-on-networks-worldwide/
The consensus seems to be for providers to install CDN servers, if they arent
able to cope up with an
One of the earlier posts seems to suggest that if iOS updates were cached
on the ISPs CDN server then the traffic would have been manageable since
everybody would only contact the local sever to get the image. Is this
assumption correct?
Do most big service providers maintain their own content
Perhaps Apple, Microsoft etc. should consider using Bittorrent as a
way of distributing their updates? If ISPs were to run their own
Bittorrent servers (with appropriate restrictions, see below), this
would then create an instant CDN, with no need to define any other
protocols or pay any
Glen Kent writes:
One of the earlier posts seems to suggest that if iOS updates were
cached on the ISPs CDN server then the traffic would have been
manageable since everybody would only contact the local sever to get
the image. Is this assumption correct?
Not necessarily. I think most of the
On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Simon Leinen simon.lei...@switch.ch wrote:
Not necessarily. I think most of the iOS 7 update traffic WAS in fact
delivered from CDN servers (in particular Akamai). And many/most large
service providers already have Akamai servers in their networks. But
they
BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, so we
dont really need Akamai/Limelight here. Is there a reason why Apple has not
adopted bit-torrent for distribution? Are there legal/commercial
implications using bit-torrent?
Glen
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Neil Harris
On 2013-09-23, at 09:10, Simon Leinen simon.lei...@switch.ch wrote:
Glen Kent writes:
One of the earlier posts seems to suggest that if iOS updates were
cached on the ISPs CDN server then the traffic would have been
manageable since everybody would only contact the local sever to get
the
On Sep 23, 2013, at 15:10, Simon Leinen simon.lei...@switch.ch wrote:
Glen Kent writes:
One of the earlier posts seems to suggest that if iOS updates were
cached on the ISPs CDN server then the traffic would have been
manageable since everybody would only contact the local sever to get
the
On Sep 23, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Glen Kent glen.k...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, so we
dont really need Akamai/Limelight here. Is there a reason why Apple has not
adopted bit-torrent for distribution? Are there legal/commercial
implications
On 2013-09-23 15:41 , Glen Kent wrote:
BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent,
I am very sure that you will be happy to see your customer's UPSTREAM
links filled with that traffic... next to you having a shiny CDN and
then having to do traffic to ISPs who do not have
On 2013-09-23, at 09:41, Glen Kent glen.k...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, so we
dont really need Akamai/Limelight here. Is there a reason why Apple has not
adopted bit-torrent for distribution? Are there legal/commercial
implications
Bit torrent is a way to lighten the load on the originator, and to increase
the speed of the acquisition from the receivers. It is not a tool to
decrease network load, if anything it does the opposite most of the time.
Every now and then, a client will find a local network peer, but its
usually
- Original Message -
From: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se
To: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it
That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using
Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be
written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them
on the update-downloading Bittorrent client for the phones.
The clients (be it
That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using
Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be
written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them
on the update-downloading Bittorrent client for the phones.
The clients (be it
On 9/23/2013 9:36 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
So then all the networks that have done $things to BitTorrent to
demote it to second-rate traffic will suddenly have a bunch of very
angry Apple fans whose downloads are mysteriously having issues.
Just ask the Blizzard fans (World of Warcraft) about this
So then all the networks that have done $things to BitTorrent to
demote it to second-rate traffic will suddenly have a bunch of very
angry Apple fans whose downloads are mysteriously having issues.
Just ask the Blizzard fans (World of Warcraft) about this
phenomenon...
i love the business
- Original Message -
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
i love the business plan of preventing the users from getting what
they want. i think all my competitors should follow it.
Strawman, Randy.
Clearly, the Internet is *not* up to the task of
1) updating several dozen million devices
On 09/23/2013 08:36 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using
Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be
written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them
on the update-downloading Bittorrent client
message
From: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se
Date: 09/19/2013 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Cc: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com,NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote
http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/09/20/upgrading.spike.doubled.some.isp.traffic.12.percent.worldwide.internet.usage.jump/
##
Upgrading spike doubled some ISP traffic; 12 percent worldwide Internet
usage jump
...
Analytics company Mixpanel estimates that more than 130 million users
had
/19/2013 3:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net
Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote:
As a side note, how are some of you
On 19/09/2013 9:29 PM, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/19/2013 5:29 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
So you understand things aren't always metro e.. That's what I was trying to
say. I still have a coupler.. ;)
Original message
From: Fred Reimer frei...@freimer.org
Actually, I started out
* Ben (ben+na...@list-subs.com) wrote:
No need for you to bash Apple in this instance.
What this conversation badly needs is a sub-thread about whatever
happened to the technical solutions which would address this issue (eg:
mbone).
Of course, I know what happened and what the issues are there,
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a
single day?
(a) That's why god invented the concept of CDNsto take the stress of
the more contended parts of an operators network. ;-)
(b) Its not just Apple but any vendor (e.g. Microsloth) their
updates
On Sep 19, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:
Oh you mean that option that never made it past a internet-draft
that expired 13 years ago[1] and is in the private range[2] to boot.
If you want proxy discovery to work on all devices complete the
process of getting a code
In message f11ff3cf-d363-4af0-a030-b72cd68dd...@puck.nether.net, Jared Mauch
writes:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:
Oh you mean that option that never made it past a internet-draft
that expired 13 years ago[1] and is in the private range[2] to boot.
If
On 9/20/2013 5:55 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
So you fix one part at a time. Each part is independently fixable. Each
part helps by itself.
I wonder it the thing that needs to be fixed first involves opening a
dialog between Engineering and Marketing over which the message Don't
sell stuff we
From a Facebook posting:
So need the masses input.. If you updated to iOS 7... Wed I installed
it, it was fine. Thursday fine as well. But today.. It just wants to
keep resetting itself every 15-20 mins. It's just on my 4s... Any one
else having this issue? Just wondering.
--
Requiescas
I've seen 4s with the panic.list problem after upgrade. Apple claims
hardware issue.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote:
From a Facebook posting:
So need the masses input.. If you updated to iOS 7... Wed I installed
it, it was fine. Thursday fine as
Haven't updated my iPad yet but the iPhone update size was 1.12GB
On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I
On 9/19/13 10:58 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
caused this...
iOS 7 itself was
...@flhsi.com, nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
caused this...
Thanks
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
caused this...
I think this was just the
, 2013 6:19 PM
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
We also noticed an interesting spike (+ ~40%), mostly in akamai.
The same happened on previous iOS too.
I see it here, too. At its peak, our traffic levels were
It was released
Thanks
Darren
http://www.mellowd.co.uk/ccie
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:58:24 -0700
From: fergdawgs...@mykolab.com
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
From: Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:19 PM
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
We also
Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
From: Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:19 PM
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
We also
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
caused this...
The IOS7 upgrade is ~750
On 2013-09-19, at 13:58, Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
caused
Okay, that makes sense. Just wanted to ensure it wasn't something more
sinister.
Thanks,
- ferg
On 9/19/2013 11:05 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so
...@cluebyfour.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:19 PM
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
We also noticed an interesting spike (+ ~40%), mostly in akamai.
The same happened on previous iOS too.
I see it here, too
@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
We also noticed an interesting spike (+ ~40%), mostly in akamai.
The same happened on previous iOS too.
I see it here, too. At its peak, our traffic levels were roughly double
what we would see
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On 9/19/13 11:42 AM,
A line, is a line, is a line, is a line.
There's no difference. Updates are available to all devices on a download
day, and providers networks are drastically reduced in capacity as a
result. Apple does not cut them checks to serve it up, why should that
traffic be more important than anything
/2013 11:08 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I
, is offered peering for free.
What was the problem again?
--
TTFN,
patrick
Original message
From: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se
Date: 09/19/2013 11:08 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:11:11 -, Warren Bailey said:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a
single day?
How is Patch Tuesday any different?
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Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
My.. Our.. Users expect one thing..
Internet.
It is our job to make that happen. When a electronics manufacturer
decides to enable updates for all of their phones world wide.. It breaks
things.
When the Internet breaks, it is my
(merging 2 replies)
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:11:21 -, Warren Bailey said:
Patch Tuesday is not 1gb per patch.
It is those months a service pack comes out.
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:22:50 -, Warren Bailey said:
These people (Apple) represent themselves as smart guys, but their actions
On 13-09-19 02:46 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
A line, is a line, is a line, is a line.
There's no difference. Updates are available to all devices on a download
day, and providers networks are drastically reduced in capacity as a
result. Apple does not cut them checks to serve it up, why should
Patch Tuesday is not 1gb per patch.
On 9/19/13 11:51 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:11:11 -, Warren Bailey said:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on
a single day?
How is Patch Tuesday any different?
On 2013-09-19, at 14:11, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
wrote:
I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a
single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which
leads me to this question :
Why does apple feel it
On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Warren Bailey
wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a
single day?
Apple does not send updates. The user device must request an update.
--As a side note, IOS 7 fixes/improves
Woah there. I think you are crossing another line, or at least opening
another topic of discussion, when you start talking about transit or last
mile providers charging companies for bandwidth that their customers are
already paying for. I'd suggest a subject change if we want to open a
Sounds like a great plan. You could do it for Netflix, Hulu, amazon,
Walmart, etc. Get a piece of the action.Am I talking to Verizon?
On 9/19/13 1:46 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
A line, is a line, is a line, is a line.
There's no difference. Updates are available to all devices on a
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Cutler James R wrote:
--As a side note, IOS 7 fixes/improves iDevices in multiple areas,
making it a compelling upgrade.
That's supposed to be the nature of upgrades. If that's where the matter
ended then you'd have no argument.
The problem is when it comes to the new
On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Fred Reimer frei...@freimer.org wrote:
I was making the wrong assumption that people understood how
the Internet works.
Absolutely!
Most people understand that the internet works by use of a browser and are
content with that knowledge. Much like most motor
The attitude in this email I have encountered elsewhere. Apple pays for
bandwidth, customers pay for access. Not sure why their release strategy is so
highly critiqued. Microsoft and others have their own strategies for
incremental downloads, caching, etc.. Apple has theirs.
Seems like most
)
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Cc: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com,NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update
on a single day
My iPhone4 was about 600MB IIRC. My iPad mini was about that. I have
about 7 iDevices between everyone in my immediate family. FWIW not a
single one has actually received the notification yet. I've only manually
done my 2 devices. I'm waiting to see how long it takes before I get the
+1
If you do not/cannot have an Akamai cache, connect to an IX that does,
and make sure you've got the capacity. My own rule of thumb is have 2x
the capacity of your average *peak* traffic on an IX. When big events
happen, whether it is news, sporting or a major software update, that
extra
On 9/18/2013 1:38 PM, Zachary McGibbon wrote:
So iOS 7 just came out, here's the spike in our graphs going to our ISP
here at McGill, anyone else noticing a big spike?
[image: internet-sw1 - Traffic - Te0/7 - To Internet1-srp (IR Canet) -
TenGigabitEthernet0/7]
Zachary McGibbon
Traffic was
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think
of a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform...
Which leads me to this question :
The vast majority of the traffic I saw was served from the Akamai farm
Apple actually tries to rate-limit the notifications to prevent this, but
you can just manually go check and hit the upgrade button yourself. It's
pretty well-known that Apple likes to release ~10am, so tens (hundreds?) of
millions of users did just that. Since this update is available for all
attachments. NTT America
makes no warranty that this email is error or virus free. Thank you .
-Original Message-
From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:fergdawgs...@mykolab.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
Can someone please explain
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 06:11:11PM +, Warren Bailey wrote:
I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a
single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which
leads me to this question :
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
We also noticed an interesting spike (+ ~40%), mostly in akamai.
The same happened on previous iOS too.
I see it here, too. At its peak, our traffic levels were roughly double
what we would see on a normal
I might agree if there were no warning, but this has happened a few times a
year for many years. It's a predictable pattern and well known.
It will last about a week and taper off.
Jared Mauch
On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Warren Bailey
wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
It's
...@swm.pp.se
Date: 09/19/2013 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Cc: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com,NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send
...@mykolab.com,NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a
single day?
They don't, these are users who actively goes into the software upgrade
menu and pressing upgrade.
I
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 02:42:12PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
Given that the code is signed, I'm surprised that iDevices that have already
upgraded the hard way don't advertise a update available service on local
networks. Individual devices don't care where the updates come from, so long
as
)
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com,Mikael Abrahamsson
swm...@swm.pp.se,Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
Why should Apple care if providers have oversubscribed lines or not? As
far as I know, Akamai delivers
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a
single day?
They don't, these are users who actively goes into the software upgrade
menu and pressing upgrade.
I believe the nagging won't start for quite some time.
--
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 06:52:51PM +, Warren Bailey wrote:
My.. Our.. Users expect one thing..
Internet.
Isn't the ability to download something that they want part of the Internet
thing that users expect from their service providers?
-dorian
Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
caused this...
all the borders and highlights from the discarded skeuomorphisms
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update
on a single day?
They don't, these are users who actively goes into the software upgrade
menu and pressing upgrade.
I believe the nagging won't
On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote:
As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has happened with
every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was released in 2007.
The difference is there are now a couple more million devices out
there than there were in 2007. And in
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think
of a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform...
Which leads me to this question :
Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on
...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Reply-To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:52 PM
To: Fred Reimer frei...@freimer.org, Mikael Abrahamsson
swm...@swm.pp.se, Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
My.. Our
Microsoft Windows 8.1 is due out in October.. don't be so sure :)
-- Stephen
On 19/09/2013 3:11 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
Patch Tuesday is not 1gb per patch.
On 9/19/13 11:51 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:11:11 -, Warren Bailey said:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:18:29 -, Warren Bailey said:
Reversing a few paragraphs to make a point.
We strive to provide a great customer experience, and when Hardware Maker
X decides to roll updates .. It can screw us. In this case, can means
absolutely will happen.
I mean, would it be
Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com,NANOG
nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:18:29 -, Warren Bailey said:
Reversing a few paragraphs to make a point.
We strive to provide a great customer experience, and when Hardware Maker
X decides to roll updates
Hi Jared.
The attitude in this email I have encountered elsewhere. Apple pays
for bandwidth, customers pay for access. Not sure why their release
strategy is so highly critiqued.
Because it impacts other, non-Apple customers. Or, it costs the ISP more
(passed through to all customers)
Dorian,
It seems warren may work for a satellite internet provider. (Just guessing).
The impact might be different with this type of a link. There isn't a good
broadcast caching system for this compared with the way other content is. This
may have that type of an impact, but there are likely
...@swm.pp.se, Paul Ferguson
fergdawgs...@mykolab.commailto:fergdawgs...@mykolab.com, NANOG
nanog@nanog.orgmailto:nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
I'm willing and open to hear anyone who has successfully had that conversation
with their users.
When network congestion occurs, we
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Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote:
As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has happened
with every single Apple
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