Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On 1/14/22 19:04, Randy Bush wrote: but, heck, we don't publish a list of pingables. so we're gonna get random behavior. Fair point. Most of our customers are not interested in our on-net servers that they can ping. They prefer to ping the usual suspects, because, well, that is "the

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-14 Thread Randy Bush
> We do not recommend or advise customers to ping random online > resources, however famous they may be. We don't want to be part of > growing that problem for other networks. i helped the shy admin of a well known site talk to an entire politically sensitive country which had decided to ping

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 1/12/22 17:35, Adam Thompson wrote: Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question is.  But I need to give _/something/_ to a customer who has the ability to run ping/traceroute but nothing else.  (And they have an intermittent latency problem that we haven’t

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 1/12/22 17:58, Sean Donelan wrote: Back in the old days, when there was competition between ISPs, the ISPs you paid money used to have curated speed test targets on their networks. Because you were paying them, some people wanted evidence they were getting what they were paying for,

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Ben Arblaster
> Does anyone curate a list of “useful” ICMP responders that are at least > kinda-sorta reliable/expected to continue responding? RIPE Atlas anchors are useful for this kind of thing https://atlas.ripe.net/anchors/list/ -- Ben Arblaster

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, Adam Thompson wrote: Restatement: yes, there are much better ways to diagnose problems, but my customer can only run ping & traceroute (and pathping, I suppose) and is capable enough to run those tools and self-assess before calling me. Back in the old days, when there was

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:37 AM Adam Thompson > wrote: > >> Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question >> is. But I need to give _*something*_ to a customer who has the ability >> to run ping/traceroute but

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:37 AM Adam Thompson wrote: > Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question > is. But I need to give _*something*_ to a customer who has the ability > to run ping/traceroute but nothing else. (And they have an intermittent > latency problem

Useful ping targets for end-users?

2022-01-12 Thread Adam Thompson
Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question is. But I need to give _something_ to a customer who has the ability to run ping/traceroute but nothing else. (And they have an intermittent latency problem that we haven’t been able to isolate yet.) Does anyone curate