[neonixie-l] Behavior of nixie tube

2012-02-16 Thread Cobra007
How does a nixie behave in the first few hundred micro seconds after switching off. Is it resistive, capacitive or inductive? I would assume it to be capacitive but that is not exactly what I measure. It seems more resistive, so I am wondering if this is normal or am I doing something wrong? Miche

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing B7971's

2012-02-16 Thread MichaelB
I like it! That's getting the most out of the MOD-SIX, Mr. Kennedy! On Feb 16, 7:09 pm, Terry Kennedy wrote: > On Feb 16, 10:08 am, micha...@aol.com wrote: > > > I don't believe there is a direct way to test with simply a volt  meter. > > Nope. But the MOD-6 has a nice SEGTST function. > > I use

Re: [neonixie-l] Driving nixies

2012-02-16 Thread David Forbes
On 2/16/12 5:59 PM, Spencer W wrote: I think from the datasheet, http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/tpic6b595.pdf , it looks like the max is 50 volts. Good for vfd's. :) only my guess though Fifty volts is barely enough to work, but it works for at least B5870s. That's what I use in my Nixie

[neonixie-l] Re: Testing B7971's

2012-02-16 Thread Terry Kennedy
On Feb 16, 10:08 am, micha...@aol.com wrote: > I don't believe there is a direct way to test with simply a volt  meter. Nope. But the MOD-6 has a nice SEGTST function. I use the MOD-6's power supply, a couple of clip leads, and some 22K resistors. For partially-poisoned segments, I just parallel

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread JohnK
Ucc is a common term for supply voltage [Google it]. The 'cc' is probably questionable in this case, but the U is common in Europe. Semi-related Factoid:- If you read early US books on wireless you will find the term "anode" used in a sentence when they mean the supply voltage for the tubes. Ma

[neonixie-l] Re: Driving nixies

2012-02-16 Thread Tony Adams
Yes, the clamping voltage is a little too low - I've tried them. They do work but a bit too much haze from the other cathodes. You might get away with it using coloured tubes. Tony. On Feb 17, 1:21 am, Dylan Distasio wrote: > My bad, sorry I really should have checked the voltage before posting

[neonixie-l] Re: Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Lucky
Tis strange how the brain works. I sub-consciously knew that 'U' stood for voltage, but never thought about it. I suppose being from the UK that I see Volts written as U quite often so never questioned it nor knew those over the water are not familiar. Did get me thinking though, where does the 'U'

Re: [neonixie-l] Driving nixies

2012-02-16 Thread Dylan Distasio
My bad, sorry I really should have checked the voltage before posting this! On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Spencer W wrote: > I think from the datasheet, > http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/tpic6b595.pdf , it looks like the max > is 50 volts. Good for vfd's. :) only my guess though > > Sent

Re: [neonixie-l] Driving nixies

2012-02-16 Thread Spencer W
I think from the datasheet, http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/tpic6b595.pdf , it looks like the max is 50 volts. Good for vfd's. :) only my guess though Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:18 PM, William Lee wrote: > Hi all- > > I had a question on driving nixies using something other

[neonixie-l] Driving nixies

2012-02-16 Thread William Lee
Hi all- I had a question on driving nixies using something other than 74141s. Would any driver that can sink higher currents work ok? Am I right in assuming I can use a driver that sinks with nixies because the cathodes are connected to ground when not floating? For example, would this one w

[neonixie-l] 1000th topic

2012-02-16 Thread kay486
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[neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread fixitsan
I noticed it appeared to be missing too, and emailed the seller who confirmed that the 'pinch' on both tubes was complete and intact. Still, I did not bid. Chris On Feb 16, 8:27 pm, David Forbes wrote: > On 2/16/2012 1:26 PM, micha...@aol.com wrote: > > > I meant funny as in I noticed it abo

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread David Forbes
On 2/16/2012 1:26 PM, micha...@aol.com wrote: I meant funny as in I noticed it about the same time, and just when I was going to post my finding, I received the post that someone else spotted it as well. Michail Yes. Receiving a tube with a broken nipple that you just paid over $150 for,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread Michail1
I meant funny as in I noticed it about the same time, and just when I was going to post my finding, I received the post that someone else spotted it as well. Michail In a message dated 2/16/2012 12:24:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bemel...@franktechniek.nl writes: funny, although

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Bemelman
Indeed, that would hurt. I wrote the seller a message, asking to check the tube for a missing nipple. At $315 including shipping, this is beyond the point of funny, although I have to admit it strikes as sort of funny From: micha...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:52 PM To: neonixie-

[neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread marcin
I was referring to different styles of the circuit board and the 'antenna' in the left one. But true! The left one seems to be a female! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroup

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread Michail1
Funny. I just noticed that, and was going to say something just when your email came in. That will hurt when the buyer gets it. Michail In a message dated 2/16/2012 11:47:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sa...@amt-electronics.com writes: The one on the left - with the badly bent pins

[neonixie-l] Re: b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread Tony Adams
The one on the left - with the badly bent pins - doesn't appear to have an evacuation nipple. Ouch. On Feb 16, 7:37 pm, marcin wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/290668961727$137.5 a piece for two untested > tubes... And they are different from each other. My gods. -- You received this message b

[neonixie-l] b7971 are getting really expensive :(

2012-02-16 Thread marcin
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290668961727 $137.5 a piece for two untested tubes... And they are different from each other. My gods. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Dieter Waechter
The voltage measured from GND to the switched off cathodes. At dircet drive, the Ukk is equal to Ua (Ua = Va = Up = Vp = Anode voltage = Supply voltage = Plate voltage) Not necessarily - if you're direct driving them with 74141 chips, Ucc would be about 60 volts, and with K155ID1 chips, about

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread John Rehwinkel
> Ucc = Ukk = Voc = Uclamp = cold cathode voltage = off cathode voltage (kk = > kalte kathode (German)). I had remembered that U was used for voltage in Europe (and B in Russia), but I was a little confused by "cold cathode", as all nixie cathodes are cold. I had surmised that it was "off cath

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread David Forbes
On 2/16/12 9:27 AM, Dieter Waechter wrote: I forgot the "U" is not so well known at Neonixie. U = the formula symbol according to DIN 1304 for the Voltage. Dieter I only know that U means voltage because I work on a fine German telescope. -- David Forbes, Tucson AZ -- You received this messag

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Dieter Waechter
Thanks Dave, ;-) No problem, I'm far above any childish comments. I forgot the "U" is not so well known at Neonixie. U = the formula symbol according to DIN 1304 for the Voltage. Dieter Don't know who is worse here. Dieter for first stating 'Ucc' (I think maybe we are talking Vcc?) Regardle

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Dieter Waechter
I was also going to admit my ignorance here...What does Ucc represent? Ucc = Ukk = Voc = Uclamp = cold cathode voltage = off cathode voltage (kk = kalte kathode (German)). The voltage measured from GND to the switched off cathodes. At dircet drive, the Ukk is equal to Ua (Ua = Va = Up = Vp = A

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread John Rehwinkel
> Anyone have a favorite microprocessor for driving the 24 74141 inputs on this > sucker?I'm considering taking advantage of this project to do my first > tutorial on shift registers using the 74HC595 with an Arduino, but am not > opposed to directly controlling them all individually with a

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Dieter Waechter
Ucc? Is that a new invention? Cheers, Frank Hi Frank, yes. Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+un

Re: [neonixie-l] Testing B7971's

2012-02-16 Thread Michail1
I don't believe there is a direct way to test with simply a volt meter. As for font. - Use stolen. It may not have had that particular segment stolen; however, it will match the idea between the other tubes having lost segments. :) Back when I was in a position to not test tubes, I have

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Bemelman
And BTW, just because Nick want to play moderator does not mean the community has agreed on not using the word “Invention” anymore. And it won’t stop folks from inventing either. From: Lucky Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:29 PM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Ques

Re: [neonixie-l] Testing B7971's

2012-02-16 Thread David Forbes
On 2/16/12 3:55 AM, Mefistofelix wrote: I swapped tubes around to prove it was the tube at fault - but wondered if there would have been any way to test these sort of tubes just with a meter ? Unfortunately, the only way to test a tube like this is to apply high voltage and see what happens.

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Bemelman
So, is “invention” now a forbidden word? Sheesh... Yes I read everything. Dieter is NOT very helpful if he invents ‘new’ names for things. I can not recall someone using the “Ucc” ever being used in this and previous Neonixie newsgroup. I am sorry you posted too. But hey, it happens. Learn

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Lucky
Don't know who is worse here. Dieter for first stating 'Ucc' (I think maybe we are talking Vcc?) Regardless Ucc had been taken to mean something "cold cathode voltage" Have you not bothered to read the entire thread? Me for repeating the same (or maybe just being naive) Or 3 useless replies 2 of

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Lucky
Don't know who is worse here. Dieter for first stating 'Ucc' (I think maybe we are talking Vcc?) Regardless Ucc had been taken to mean something "cold cathode voltage" Have you not bothered to read the entire thread? Me for repeating the same (or maybe just being naive) Or 3 useless replies

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Bemelman
I first wanted to reply with “... or Uha is too high”. Cheers, Frank From: William Lee Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:44 PM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit I was also going to admit my ignorance here...What does Ucc represent?

[neonixie-l] Re: Source for 5025 nixies?

2012-02-16 Thread Terry S
Interesting. Richardson lists 122 different "readout tubes" and a complete nixie tube clock housed inside a 4-1000A power grid tube envelope. Anyone here supplying that to Richardson? Very cool looking. Terry On Feb 5, 3:03 pm, David Forbes wrote: > On 2/5/12 1:59 PM, LarryWorks wrote: > >

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread William Lee
I was also going to admit my ignorance here...What does Ucc represent? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/YKOIK4DwmmgJ. To post to this group, sen

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Bemelman
Ucc? Is that a new invention? Cheers, Frank -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Dieter Waechter Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:42 AM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit The purple, pinkish or peachy haze comes from the differen

[neonixie-l] Re: Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Lucky
Hope you don't mind me jumping in on this thread. I apologise if so, but seemed relevant and I think Dylan has been answered. Regarding blue spots: I am of the understanding that if you drive a nixie with too low a Ucc that a blue stop may appear (although still do not understand why?) I was testin

[neonixie-l] Re: Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Cobra007
Thanks for clearing that up Dieter :-) Michel On Feb 16, 10:30 pm, Dieter Waechter wrote: > Hi! > What I mean is: To get a high definition readout and the best you can > get out of the tube, drive it without Ucc AND drive it with direct drive. > Dieter > >  > >  > This confuses me a bit, I tho

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Dieter Waechter
Hi! What I mean is: To get a high definition readout and the best you can get out of the tube, drive it without Ucc AND drive it with direct drive. Dieter > > This confuses me a bit, I thought you promoted your new clock as being > direct drive and now you say you get the best results without d

[neonixie-l] Testing B7971's

2012-02-16 Thread Mefistofelix
I am more of a collector than an engineer I'm afraid but I have just got my fabuloso MOD-6_7971 for which I purchased 6 tubes last year, unfortunately I had nothing to test them with when they arrived, and now having installed them, one segment on one tube is out (top right vertical) . I swapp

[neonixie-l] Re: Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread Cobra007
On Feb 16, 3:42 pm, "Dieter Waechter" wrote: > To get a high definition readout, ot the best you can get out of the tube, > drive it without Ucc in direct drive. > Dieter This confuses me a bit, I thought you promoted your new clock as being direct drive and now you say you get the best results w

Re: [neonixie-l] Question on haze around nixie digit

2012-02-16 Thread jb-electronics
Yes, a very low pressure and a low voltage make digits very fuzzy. See here a broken GR-414 in a 2%Ar98%Ne mixture @ 300V: http://www.nixie.jb-electronics.de/img/2012-01-24/glow_2.jpg Jens The purple, pinkish or peachy haze comes from the different additional gases and the mercury inside the

[neonixie-l] Re: Scope Pocket Watch movie

2012-02-16 Thread Dekatron42
Nick, very well put! I've been waiting for a comment like that a long time! Much of the joy is taken away by these "I did it before you" and "my design/idea is better than yours" discussions. To me it is not important who did it first, it is only important that someone did it and if I like it I s