[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread threeneurons
Other than brightness, some have observed mechanical 'singing' coming off the larger tubes, like IN-18s. If the multiplexing frequency is too close to the mechanical resonating frequency, of the tubes, you may hear the tube buzzing. That usually can be remedied by altering the frequency. And

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Dan Hollis
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, threeneurons wrote: Other than brightness, some have observed mechanical 'singing' coming off the larger tubes, like IN-18s. This is the most annoying thing about multiplexing. You can hear the in-18 tubehobby kit singing from across a room. Anyone delling direct drive

[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Jeff Thomas
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:39:22 PM UTC-7, dr pepper wrote: So why is multiplexing a bad idea, and static displays make tubes last longer?, does multiplexing accelerate cathode poisoning or something? I have 3 or 4 prototypes I've put together and they all use multiplxing, even

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Adam Jacobs
You forgot the other pro's: - reduced power consumption - dramatically increased tube life at equal cathode current. -- The point is that there isn't a right answer or a religious opinion. To multiplex or not is really a design decision which should be made based on your product

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread jb-electronics
Hi there, On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, threeneurons wrote: Other than brightness, some have observed mechanical 'singing' coming off the larger tubes, like IN-18s. This is the most annoying thing about multiplexing. You can hear the in-18 tubehobby kit singing from across a room. might also be

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Adam Jacobs
I've definitely used a few inductors that buzzed nastily before. The sound of a coil contracting around a ferrite repeatedly. That's one advantage of using one of those ugly acrylic box cases. :) Great at noise dampening. -Adam On 9/20/2012 11:24 AM, jb-electronics wrote: Hi there, On Thu,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Dan Hollis
The ringing is coming directly from the tubes. -Dan On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Adam Jacobs wrote: I've definitely used a few inductors that buzzed nastily before. The sound of a coil contracting around a ferrite repeatedly. That's one advantage of using one of those ugly acrylic box cases. :) Great

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Jeff Thomas
You forgot the other pro's: - reduced power consumption - dramatically increased tube life at equal cathode current. -Adam Right you are! :)) Here's a few more to support your posts: - Less weight. - Fewer calories. - Smaller Carbon footprint. Although in fairness, since were

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Adam Jacobs
That was my point, really, I was trying to stay in the same reference frame as your post. Given equal cathode current in both cases, the multiplexed device will have lower brightness and greater tube life. Given equal cathode current, the direct driven device will have higher brightness and

[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread jf...@my-deja.com
On Sep 20, 11:24 am, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: Hi there, On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, threeneurons wrote: Other than brightness, some have observed mechanical 'singing' coming off the larger tubes, like IN-18s. This is the most annoying thing about multiplexing. You can

[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread kay486
I have a multiplexed Z566M clock and it makes quite a lot of noise. I think tha the noise is produced by the cathodes, because they arent completely fixed in place by the spacer rings, so they tend to buzz when they are multiplexed. Thats just my guess though. On Thursday, 20 September 2012

[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread seaforth23
I reckon I am quids in here - I am 62 years old - and have had at least 2 direct drive clocks (Mike Harrison design) running continuasly for over 20 yrs now - I can't see any deterioation in brightness. But maybe my eyes are not as good as they used to be. I have built a 6 digit multiplexed

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Instrument Resources of America
Does this mean that I have more time too?? This is definitely good news John as I'm over 60. Lets celebrate, I want a beer LOL Ira. On 9/20/2012 2:13 PM, John Rehwinkel wrote: I reckon I am quids in here - I am 62 years old - [...] I reckon the clocks I make now (given the average

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Tidak Ada
The noise made by coils may easily be reduced by the use of PlastiDipR eric _ From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kay486 Sent: donderdag 20 september 2012 22:57 To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing

[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread dr pepper
Well it seems my original post caused some interest. I was aware of the brightness issues, its a similar story with leds. I've messed around with 4 or 5 types of tube but never got any audible sounds from them, I have with switching supplys, but later designs I use are 30kc and up, I've just been

[neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Terry S
On Sep 20, 5:07 pm, Tidak Ada offl...@zeelandnet.nl wrote: The noise made by coils may easily be reduced by the use of PlastiDipR I don't think I'd use PlasticDip. It has a distinct solvent odor. We used to use beeswax for flyback transformers. Give that a try. Terry -- You received this

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Why is multiplexing nixie's bad

2012-09-20 Thread Adam Jacobs
I've also seen hot-glue used, especially if the potting is to lower RF noise. I'm a big fan of hot glue. I don't know where I first heard the expression Non-conductive solder, but I've latched onto it happily. I also like that it easily dissolves in acetone. -Adam On 9/20/2012 6:33 PM, Terry