[neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons with thyratrons

2013-10-02 Thread Dekatron42
The Russians regularely used thyratrons, both cold cathode types and those with a heater to drive Dekatrons. What types do you have? /Martin On Wednesday, 2 October 2013 07:29:49 UTC+2, Smiffy wrote: Has anyone done/seen Dekatrons used in conjunction with thyratrons? I just happen to have

[neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons with thyratrons

2013-10-02 Thread Smiffy
On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:01:58 PM UTC+9:30, Dekatron42 wrote: The Russians regularely used thyratrons, both cold cathode types and those with a heater to drive Dekatrons. What types do you have? Cold cathode. These: http://www.ebay.com/itm/250991574870 There are two in the Geiger

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread Dalibor Farný
Thanks for info Nick, that is really pretty bad.. The RoHS directive says that mercury in a product must be in a ration of less than a 0.1% by weight (that is OK), and it cant be intentionally added - this is the problem. But I found some information from 2011 that neon signs are not limited by

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread Dalibor Farný
This is written in the directive: - Applications of lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, which are exempted from the requirements of Article 4(1) 1. Mercury in compact fluorescent lamps not exceeding 5 mg per lamp. 2. Mercury in straight fluorescent lamps for general

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread Nick
The halogen cycle for Iodine is, I suspect, at too high a temperature for nixies, which is why I was wondering if chlorine would do. Iodine works in car headlamps etc. as the filament there runs at 1000C or so... Hence my question about inorganic/physical chemists - its their territory, not

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread Tidak Ada
That is exactly what I said. The quartz glass is needed, because of the high temperature as well as the small bulb is needed to reach that temperature eric _ From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: woensdag 2 oktober 2013 10:39 To:

[neonixie-l] Historical Yahoo! messages...

2013-10-02 Thread Nick
Several people have archives of the old Yahoo! message group prior to our migration here. I was full of good intentions about trying to get those inserted here so that this site is a complete record of the group since inception, but I have just not got round to it. Anyone here who understands

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons with thyratrons

2013-10-02 Thread Matthew Smith
On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:52:27 PM UTC+9:30, Tidak Ada wrote: They are useful, but consider the MTBF is 5000 h ! I wonder how that equates to actual firings, because I'd guess that it's energised time that counts. M -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons with thyratrons

2013-10-02 Thread Tidak Ada
I don't know, but I have the figure from a datasheet. eric _ From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Smith Sent: woensdag 2 oktober 2013 13:43 To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons with thyratrons

[neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread AlexTsekenis
Hi Nick, I am doing some experimental work on the subject of lifespan due to sputtering. Could you provide the full reference, including if possible a chapter or page number, for Weston's 50% threshold please? You mentioned it in your first post. Thanks in advance. Regards, Alex On

[neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread Nick
On Wednesday, 2 October 2013 14:29:24 UTC+1, AlexTsekenis wrote: Hi Nick, I am doing some experimental work on the subject of lifespan due to sputtering. Could you provide the full reference, including if possible a chapter or page number, for Weston's 50% threshold please? You mentioned

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi Alex, I hope You will share results of your experiments! ;-) Thanks, Dalibor 2013/10/2 AlexTsekenis alextseke...@gmail.com: Hi Nick, I am doing some experimental work on the subject of lifespan due to sputtering. Could you provide the full reference, including if possible a chapter or

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread AlexTsekenis
Nick, thank you for the swift reply. I've scanned in p340, here http://s23.postimg.org/t1sp4km0b/page196.jpg. The book is the exact one in the reference. On this page Weston explains the impact of digit cycling on lifespan. The point of a gradual rather than abrupt end of life is also made.

[neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons with thyratrons

2013-10-02 Thread threeneurons
Depends if you just want to use one to step a dekatron, or need it between dekatrons, so the second one steps, per every revolution of the prior one. The interstage one could be a problem. That one would need to respond to the output of one dekatron, and then boost it to step the second. The

[neonixie-l] Re: Photos of Burroughs counter modules?

2013-10-02 Thread threeneurons
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:50:52 PM UTC-7, Dekatron42 wrote: Does it say DC-106A on your module? Yes, it does. Though they mangled the D, by double stamping it. I found the datasheet on the Ericsson VS10G trochotron, and it has a circuit example that looks curiously similar to the

[neonixie-l] Re: Photos of Burroughs counter modules?

2013-10-02 Thread Nick
White-labelling across the whole valve/tube market was rife in all areas, not just display tubes - there are some manufacturers in the audio world who have never made anything themselves (maybe cardboard boxes). e.g. Edicron. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[neonixie-l] Re: Thoughts on nixie lifespan and halogens...

2013-10-02 Thread gregeb...@hotmail.com
From what I read about the Halogen cycle, high-temperature is a key part of the cycle where tungsten dissociates from the halogen, in this case on the filament. Apparently the halogen present in the bulb reacts with the tungsten that essentially condenses on the inner surface of the bulb,

[neonixie-l] Re: Photos of Burroughs counter modules?

2013-10-02 Thread Dekatron42
If you ever get some time left it would be very kind if you could take some nice photos of the PCB of your DC-106A module, but you'll have to unscrew at least 8 screws to be able to remove the PCB from the unit, four for the BD301 and four for the PCB. I'm interrested in seeing if your module

[neonixie-l] Found a drawerful of 7441s!

2013-10-02 Thread David Forbes
I am working on the Submillimeter Telescope today, fixing a fine old German instrument. I found a parts cabinet with TTL part numbers on all the drawers. Here's the 7441 Nixie driver drawer: http://www.nixiebunny.com/7441drawer.jpg -- David Forbes, Tucson AZ -- You received this message