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2013-11-19 Thread Nick
just thought I'd mention that! Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an

[neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
I want to build a four digit VFD clock (three of them actually) without using drivers like the max6921. I have two possibilities at this moment, one is this http://i.imgur.com/D4FGaV1.jpg and the other being this one http://i.imgur.com/5fMc7ty.png . Which would be best? Another question is the

[neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Thank you for your reply, sadly the HV5812 is SMD and I am going to do this on simple strip/hole PCBs. But you are using two tubes in series on 5 volt so that leaves about 2 volts for the resistor. My plan is to hook them all up in series (4 tubes) so I require 6 volts which can be delivered by

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Dylan Distasio
Hi Gideon- I believe the HV5812 is still available in a PDIP package: http://www.onlinecomponents.com/supertex-hv5812p.html?p=12648889 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Gideon Wackers gideon.wack...@student.uhasselt.be wrote: HV5812 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yeah but that would cost me 50 dollar in shipping :( (to the netherlands). What about my driver circuit on soms transistor array, driving 35 volt should not be that much of a problem? Op dinsdag 19 november 2013 15:56:58 UTC+1 schreef William Lee: Hi Gideon- I believe the HV5812 is still

[neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Slight update: I just found a local retailler (mouser) which also sells them, but 20 euro in shipping costs... That is more than what a dozen of tubes is going to cost me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this

[neonixie-l] IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread kay486
What is this? Has anybody seen tube like this before? It looks very interesting! http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-UNIC-ULTRA-RARE-IN37-NIXIE-SHADOW-MASK-TUBE-DIGITS-IN37-USSR-/261333956957 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread gregeb...@hotmail.com
I've seen similar, with digits 0-9. I'm not sure why this unit is 1-6 because you could not even use it for a clock; must have been a special application. I've always wondered if anyone manufactured a dekatron (or in this case, a hexatron ) in this manner. I doubt these were very popular

[neonixie-l] Re: WAY WAY off topic but I need some help..

2013-11-19 Thread J Forbes
interesting...I've had to do the opposite, when I put a later tank in an older truck. Sounds like you're using a newer gauge in an older GM vehicle. I would find a sending unit from a late 60s vehicle, and swap the resistor onto the original sending unit. It's not very difficult. Jim -- You

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Spencer W
Only on longer tubes will you truly notice gradient so you might see it if you do 4 or 6 in a series. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Gideon Wackers gideon.wack...@student.uhasselt.be wrote: Thank you for your reply, sadly the HV5812 is SMD and I am going to do this on

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
I know the difference between a nixie and a VFD tube but I have to say that your explanation is very nice to summarize all the loose bits of information in my head. So If I have a 6 volt supply for my four filaments (in series) I would not need a resistor. I think the 7806 won't get that warm

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread kay486
Yea, there are some pasive displays with numerals arranged like this, but all of them have all the decimal digits as you said. The thing is, that they do not count. I understand how it could be beneficial to close all the numbers in one envelope if you have 10 of them, but with only 6 you could

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Okay else I will just take one of those step down converters off ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-pcs-DC-DC-LM2596-Power-Supply-Step-Down-Adjustable-Converter-Module1-3V-35V-/130984321712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e7f4622b0 For that price I can't go messing around with DC-DC converters myself

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yikes that is quite an amount of money for an odd tube, I do understand buying something because it is special but that sounds a bit over the top. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[neonixie-l] Re: IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread kay486
Exactly, and i think that if you would want to buy it only for its unctionality, not for the historic value. Dalibor could make it chaper :) On Tuesday, 19 November 2013 20:44:44 UTC+1, Gideon Wackers wrote: Yikes that is quite an amount of money for an odd tube, I do understand buying

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
Do any of you use some sort of protection circuit for the filaments? I just use a higher voltage supply and a series resistor. That way, the difference in current between a cold filament and a hot one is less, so the starting surge is minimized. It's less efficient than just driving the

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yeah I think I'll go for a Op dinsdag 19 november 2013 21:07:42 UTC+1 schreef jrehwin: Do any of you use some sort of protection circuit for the filaments? I just use a higher voltage supply and a series resistor. That way, the difference in current between a cold filament and a hot one

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yeah I was just thinking of wiring two filaments in series and feeding them with a 7805, that means a 10 ohm 1 watt resistor. That way I'll have the best of both worlds; minimal gradient effect, easy DC and resistor protection So now I only have to figure out wether my two transistor driver is

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
So now I only have to figure out wether my two transistor driver is a good way to drive my IV-11 tubes :) I was hoping someone more versed in the intricacies of transistors would address this, but they haven't, so I'll take a stab at it. I want to build a four digit VFD clock (three of them

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread Dalibor Farný
It is too small for me, I would not be able to make it ;-) Too delicate work ;-) 2013/11/19 kay486 luckyl...@gmail.com: Exactly, and i think that if you would want to buy it only for its unctionality, not for the historic value. Dalibor could make it chaper :) On Tuesday, 19 November 2013

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Thank you very much for this reply, I'll just order a few values and see what works. But I am missing one thing to complete the story; why are current values given in the datasheet if there is no need for current regulation? or should those be seen as normal values that you will see during

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread David Forbes
On 11/19/2013 1:36 PM, John Rehwinkel wrote: I want to build a four digit VFD clock (three of them actually) without using drivers like the max6921. I have two possibilities at this moment, one is this http://i.imgur.com/D4FGaV1.jpg and the other being this one http://i.imgur.com/5fMc7ty.png .

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
I'd use the more traditional design with a resistor in series with the base of the NPN transistor driven by the CPU, rather than the emitter resistor as you showed. David has a point - the disadvantage is it uses one more resistor, the (large) advantage is the functions are now separated -

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
http://i.imgur.com/CFTb8gI.png is this what you mean? Eagle was being weird today so I had to draw it in lochmaster Why is that better than the original two ideas? I would like to understand everything :) Op dinsdag 19 november 2013 21:48:18 UTC+1 schreef nixiebunny: On 11/19/2013 1:36 PM,

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
I was typing the previous reply while you posted it, that clears some things up. You mention tweaking the value, is there a way to actually calculate it? (I'm not that much into transistor calculations as you may have noticed) Op dinsdag 19 november 2013 22:06:16 UTC+1 schreef jrehwin: I'd

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Jacobs
FYI David: On the clock that I built with IV-11 tubes, I initially started with an anode voltage of 60v; which is the median multiplexed voltage as per this datasheet: http://www.tromop.eu/cms/media/IV-11%20datasheet.pdf and a 1/6 duty cycle (16.67%). That clock was bright. Couldn't sleep in

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Jacobs
Hi Gideon, How many of these clocks are you planning to build? If it is just a few, then I wouldn't sweat the costs too much. Both of those companies (used to be - I assume still) are very generous with samples. I agree that the Supertex and Maxim parts can be difficult to obtain for a low

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
I'm going to make three clocks (Christmas presents for girlfriend, brother and sister), but I'll see if I can get samples approved with my university email. Thank you for your generous offer to send me some samples but I'll first try to get my own samples at a reasonable price. Op dinsdag 19

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
Does anyone know whether it is a bad idea to go below the recommended multiplexing voltage as mentioned in Adams comment?? Op dinsdag 19 november 2013 23:01:33 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs: FYI David: On the clock that I built with IV-11 tubes, I initially started with an anode voltage of

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Spencer W
Mine run from 18v low brightness to 35v for full brightness for the last 3 years and have had no issues. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Gideon Wackers gideon.wack...@student.uhasselt.be wrote: Does anyone know whether it is a bad idea to go below the recommended

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
Does anyone know whether it is a bad idea to go below the recommended multiplexing voltage as mentioned in Adams comment?? It won't damage the VFD or anything, but it slows down the electrons, so you could get ghosting while multiplexing. I'm guessing the numbers in the datasheet are to

Re: [neonixie-l] IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-19 Thread Gideon Wackers
If there is one thing I like it is an answer like that :) I tried to request three samples of the supertex drivers, we'll see if they grant me some. Thank you all for the comments, suggestions and solutions up to this point. I got more (practical) answers here in less than 24 hours than two

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: WAY WAY off topic but I need some help..

2013-11-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
Hi, Ok I tired your method and it worked. I ended up needing around 24 ohms. The only concern I have is that the resistor runs a bit warm and it's a 20 watt. (Actually two 50 ohm, 10 watt resistors in parallel) I measured the voltage drop across them and got 9.6 volts. (taken with the

Re: [neonixie-l] WTD - Hivac XN11, KM155ID1 Nixie driver

2013-11-19 Thread Nicholas Stock
Phil, Contact me off list. Cheers, Nick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 16:32, Philip Pemberton phil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I'm trying to fix up an OZ2CPU Nixie clock kit a friend built. Sadly one of the КМ155ИД1 (KM155ID1) driver chips is missing, and one of the

OT GM gas tanks Re: [neonixie-l] Re: WAY WAY off topic but I need some help..

2013-11-19 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 13-11-19 12:46 PM, J Forbes wrote: Sounds like you're using a newer gauge in an older GM vehicle. I would find a sending unit from a late 60s vehicle, and swap the resistor onto the original sending unit. It's not very difficult. Only trick is the original poster has rejected this

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: WAY WAY off topic but I need some help..

2013-11-19 Thread J Forbes
The original gauge, for use with the 30 ohm sender (from a 57 Chevy) has a resistance from sender wire to ground of 200 ohms, and from sender to power of 50 ohms. On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:49:44 PM UTC-7, jrehwin wrote: Unfortunately, without knowing the gauge resistance it's supposed

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: WAY WAY off topic but I need some help..

2013-11-19 Thread John Rehwinkel
The original gauge, for use with the 30 ohm sender (from a 57 Chevy) has a resistance from sender wire to ground of 200 ohms, and from sender to power of 50 ohms. Oho! Apparently these gauges are a little more involved than the 2-wire kind I'm used to:

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: WAY WAY off topic but I need some help..

2013-11-19 Thread J Forbes
Two electromagnets. On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:25:57 PM UTC-7, jrehwin wrote: Anybody know what's in the 3-wire gauges? - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [neonixie-l] IN-37 ???

2013-11-19 Thread Christian Bjelle
$250 for a pixie-tube seems a bit steep, doesn't it? //c 19 nov 2013 kl. 16:52 skrev kay486 luckyl...@gmail.com: What is this? Has anybody seen tube like this before? It looks very interesting!