RE: [neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread johnk
A bunch of my email delivery posts are out of order and missing some [for lots of groups]. I’ll comment anyway. Notice that there is no smoothing capacitor in that diagram [if we are looking at the same one]. This means that with the halfwave rectifier you are going to get pulsed DC rising

[neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread Richard Scales
The main reason for not using that circuit is that I don't have that transformer to hand though I do have many DC power supplies available and I just wanted to get the voltage right. Having looked in to it in more detail is seems that it's just a half wave rectifier which should yield 0.45 x

Re: [neonixie-l] FS: Medium/Large NOS tubes available, tested

2019-04-13 Thread Kevin A.
Hi Michael, I accept your offer of $300 shipped for the (6) Z5660M + (1) Z5670M + (7) sockets. The IN-18s sold just 30 minutes before! Please PM me with your PayPal email and I can send you an invoice. Thanks, Kevin On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 7:46 PM Michail Wilson wrote: > Kevin, > > > > I’ll

RE: [neonixie-l] FS: Medium/Large NOS tubes available, tested

2019-04-13 Thread Michail Wilson
Kevin, I’ll offer $300 shipped for the Z5660M setup with sockets. I’ll offer $240 shipped for the IN-18’s. And, I am interested in the projects you have in mind. J Michail Wilson 206-920-6312 From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Thomas Kummer
Actually I found an INS-1, and when I attached the INS-1 I got one cathode to light up on the GS10D. I’m thinking that the problem now is the cathode resistor, now I’m trying to figure out which one that is. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2019, at 15:53, Jon wrote: > > Mmm yes, quite

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Jon
Mmm yes, quite right. At the absolute minimum striking voltage the formation of the glow will be slow (potentially many seconds), ambient light dependent and these days pretty uncertain as the tube will not likely conform to specs after such long storage (we know that GS10D and similar tubes

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread Dekatron42
They weren't meant to be driven as Nixies, but they can be even though I guess that the data on how long they will survive is incorrect in the datasheets under those conditions. Just 1000 hours for one digit continuously displayed and 2h hours with digits changing every 100 hours for

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Dekatron42
If they have become slightly out-gassed or cathode poisoned they need more than 450V. Nominal voltage is 475V in the datasheet and they need more than that - I have a few that work well when driven at 550V and one that worked well closer to 600V but not at nominal voltages. /Martin -- You

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Thomas Kummer
I measured 448V anode to cathode, and changed the anode resistor to 220K. I’m starting to worry that the tube may be bad. I tested it with a plasma ball and it lit up. However, the base is now loose on the tube, and I don’t have the plasma ball with me at the moment. Sent from my iPhone > On

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Jon
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 7:22:09 PM UTC+1, Thomas Kummer wrote: > > Should the Dekatron still glow? > > The INS1 is used as part of a relaxation oscillator to generate guide pulses to step the tube, so if that were the only issue, yes the tube should still glow. However, the GS10D has

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Thomas Kummer
Should the Dekatron still glow? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2019, at 14:05, robin bussell wrote: > >> On 13/04/2019 18:46, Thomas Kummer wrote: >> Hi, I’m trying to make Threeneurons all tube variable Dekatron spinner. I >> got everything I need aside from the INS-1, I tried to short

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Thomas Kummer
Thanks I had s feeling that it was important. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2019, at 14:05, robin bussell wrote: > >> On 13/04/2019 18:46, Thomas Kummer wrote: >> Hi, I’m trying to make Threeneurons all tube variable Dekatron spinner. I >> got everything I need aside from the INS-1, I

Re: [neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread robin bussell
On 13/04/2019 18:46, Thomas Kummer wrote: Hi, I’m trying to make Threeneurons all tube variable Dekatron spinner. I got everything I need aside from the INS-1, I tried to short the two wires that connected to it, but the Dekatron wouldn’t spin. Would this schematic work without it? Or, do I

[neonixie-l] All Tube Dekatron Spinner Problems

2019-04-13 Thread Thomas Kummer
Hi, I’m trying to make Threeneurons all tube variable Dekatron spinner. I got everything I need aside from the INS-1, I tried to short the two wires that connected to it, but the Dekatron wouldn’t spin. Would this schematic work without it? Or, do I have to have an INS-1, or some other neon

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread Richard Scales
Ah OK, 0.318 x input volts so about 32v DC?, is that correct? On Sat, 13 Apr 2019, 17:07 Richard Scales, wrote: > Its been a while since I needed with this kind of thing. The 110v is half > wave rectified, does that mean that roughly 55v DC is presented to the tube > via the series resistor

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread Richard Scales
Its been a while since I needed with this kind of thing. The 110v is half wave rectified, does that mean that roughly 55v DC is presented to the tube via the series resistor then the 5v logic levels are switching the individual numbers on and off? No need for 170v DC from a nixie PSU type thing

[neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread Dekatron42
Ronald Dekker, www.dos4ever.com, wrote about the Z550M/ZM1050 in the Elektor Magazine #12-2009 on pages 76 & 77 where he showed the circuit below, which is probably the simplest way of hooking it up, from that you can design your own circuit quite easily. /Martin -- You received this

[neonixie-l] Re: For those in the UK...

2019-04-13 Thread Alex
How on earth do you move a spiked glass sphere? I have to presume the spikes are removable! Lovely pieces. While on the slightly off topic, here is another art installation that is vaguely relevant to the interests of this group in that it is time focussed - A 24 hour long montage of clocks in