[neonixie-l] Re: Synchronous Alternators and motors

2012-01-19 Thread neutron spin
In my past life at an operating nuclear power plant when we brought the unit back on the grid we still used the synchroscope method...no flashing bulbs just a nice analog meter that indicated the generator was in phase. Then manually closing the main breakers and hopefully everything worked well.

[neonixie-l] Re: trying to wrap my head around making a clock out of this

2012-01-17 Thread neutron spin
That would look cool in the dash of my Humvee :) On 17 Jan, 20:55, Dennis daddyvan2...@yahoo.com wrote: I use one as a test bed for programming. Direct drive just hook it up. Now if I could just figure out how to program. :)  From: mike logan...@gmail.com

[neonixie-l] Re: Cleaning PCBs

2012-01-15 Thread neutron spin
OK...don't laugh but I use spray can carburetor cleaner...Gumout works best... The stuff is highly toxic so make sure you have proper wentilation. Also be careful of some plastics...but I havent had any problems except from cheap Chinese PCB's where the solder mask got slightly sticky but after

[neonixie-l] Re: Homemade Nixie tubes project: Help with vacuum technology needed

2012-01-15 Thread neutron spin
A manometer works great but to read that high of a vacuum but you will need a mercury filled instrument...perhaps it is hard to find these days...when I worked in an instrument lab a guy blew all the mercury out of one...what a mess!hazmat crew had to fix it. There are nice digital vacuum

[neonixie-l] Re: Mostek MK50250N chip and using it for nixie or VFD clocks.

2011-10-22 Thread neutron spin
to be available - why not build a retro LED clock, to the reference design? But for Nixie/VFD's? Hmm. Unless you have a passion for this chip, I wouldn't start from here I guess you have this -http://www.datasheetarchive.com/MK50250N-datasheet.html Laurence On Oct 22, 2:23 am, neutron spin mrstan

[neonixie-l] Re: Mostek MK50250N chip and using it for nixie or VFD clocks.

2011-10-22 Thread neutron spin
Thanks for the information...I have just run across a numitron clock that used a MM5314 and may try to use the Mostek chip with a similar numitron design. They sprinkled many diodes on the segments to prevent ghosting. I said it before... this place is fantastic with the knowledge base from the

[neonixie-l] Mostek MK50250N chip and using it for nixie or VFD clocks.

2011-10-21 Thread neutron spin
Hello, Has anyone had any luck using the MK50250N chip? What about the driver circuitry used ?...Thanks.. Robert W8UUU -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To

[neonixie-l] Re: OK...so it is not about nixies...

2011-08-14 Thread neutron spin
I really appreciate the information. Another question...If I want to design a clock using a 7 segment VFD tube can a clock design using standard 7 segment LED's be adapted to drive the VFD tubes. I know the voltages for the plate, filament and grid drive circuitry are different but I am talking

[neonixie-l] OK...so it is not about nixies...

2011-08-13 Thread neutron spin
Hello ... I have been collecting VFD tubes and I figured it is about time to put them to good use. Mostly Russian IV series. Can anyone recommend a clock project or information to get me started. They seem to be like regular triode tubes but driving them seems sort of mystical to me...any info

[neonixie-l] Re: Stuck on the usual dillema plus a SMPS question

2011-08-08 Thread neutron spin
Is that laser cutter similar to the ones that are selling on E- bay?Hard to believe the price. How does it work with 1/8 inch acrylic cutting?thanks... Robert W8UUU On Aug 8, 11:12 am, John Rehwinkel jreh...@mac.com wrote: If you want laser cut from them, you pay.. I think it is $150

[neonixie-l] Neon ring counter nixie clock

2011-08-08 Thread neutron spin
Hello All, Looking for some ideas or plans for a neon ring counter nixie clock. I have some IN-12's that are very anxious to be born again in a neon ring counter clockthanks... Robert W8UUU -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To

[neonixie-l] Re: Neon ring counter nixie clock

2011-08-08 Thread neutron spin
of these and they're great clocks Nick On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:17 PM, neutron spin mrstan...@charter.net wrote: Hello All, Looking for some ideas or plans for a neon ring counter nixie clock. I have some IN-12's that are very anxious to be born again in a neon ring counter clock

[neonixie-l] Re: Neon ring counter nixie clock

2011-08-08 Thread neutron spin
2011 19:47:45 neutron spin wrote: Thanks for the info...They really look nice but I was thinking of a design just using neons as ring counters with no microcontroller...old school...regards Robert W8UUU On Aug 8, 6:26 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: Have you checked

[neonixie-l] Re: wrong numbers

2011-07-20 Thread neutron spin
I have a minor comment on the circuit designIf you are going to use a battery the 7805 will waste power. How can this be avoided? One fix would be to use a Low-dropout regulator...using the walwart of course you are not concerned with battery life. Rergards Robert On 20 July, 11:47, Shane

[neonixie-l] Re: wrong numbers

2011-07-20 Thread neutron spin
A suitable device could be the L4940V5 from ST .if you need less current there are many others Regards Robert On 20 July, 13:36, neutron spin mrstan...@charter.net wrote: I have a minor comment on the circuit designIf you are going to use a battery the 7805 will waste power. How

[neonixie-l] Newbie has another question..not exactly nixie related but....

2011-07-20 Thread neutron spin
Hello All in Nixieland, Mr. Forbes may have some insight on this question. I am experimenting with some old electrostatic CRT's and need advice in designing a suitable power supply. I would like to use a SMPS design...(I hate big ugly transformers)...using some type of flyback circuit. This

[neonixie-l] Re: Newbie has another question..not exactly nixie related but....

2011-07-20 Thread neutron spin
On 7/20/2011 12:42 PM, neutron spin wrote: Hello All in Nixieland, Mr. Forbes may have some insight on this question.  I am experimenting with some old electrostatic CRT's and need advice in designing a suitable power supply.  I would like to use  a SMPS design...(I hate big ugly

[neonixie-l] Re: Newbie has another question..not exactly nixie related but....

2011-07-20 Thread neutron spin
on his web page here http://www.cathodecorner.com/sc100.html There is a link to the (hand drawn) schematic near the bottom of the page Jim Forbes neutron spin wrote: Hello All in Nixieland, Mr. Forbes may have some insight on this question. -- You received this message because you

[neonixie-l] Re: Newbie has another question..not exactly nixie related but....

2011-07-20 Thread neutron spin
Thanks for the infoThis will indeed be a great learning experience!.Now I must get to work breadboarding a P/S first...ordering parts...etc. Regards Robert W8UUU On Jul 20, 5:13 pm, threeneurons threeneur...@yahoo.com wrote: A little note to remember about using electrostatically

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-18 Thread neutron spin
with 16Mhz crystal to keep time and use a supercapacitor for backup power. It keeps surprisingly good time. You're free to try the design - I'll let you know when I get the schematics up - but a clock with buttons would certainly be easier :) Sean On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:24 AM, neutron spin

[neonixie-l] Re: oscilloscope blues

2011-07-17 Thread neutron spin
The first scope I got my hands on was a WWII military scope...the CRT was around one inch and there was a rubber hood that you would put up to your head to see the trace. The bandwidth was pitiful but not necessary back thentelevision was just coming out. There are many good books on

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-17 Thread neutron spin
I have never seen a charlieplexed nixie clock until I saw your two tube design. The only application that comes to mind is the Bulbdial Clock designed by the Evil Mad Scientist...used for LED's... Regards Robert W8UUU On 17 July, 15:25, Quixotic Nixotic nixot...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-16 Thread neutron spin
in my brain that may start growing soon..My idea of an encapsulated brick clock is starting to take formthanks... Regards Robert On 15 July, 00:27, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote: On 7/14/11 9:05 PM, neutron spin wrote: Yes for the IN-17 design AVR would be my choice

[neonixie-l] HVPS Nixie Design

2011-07-16 Thread neutron spin
OK...newbie has another question for all the nixie folks out there... I have see the LT1308B High Current, Micropower Single Cell, 600kHz DC/ DC Converter made by Linear Tech. used in some power supply designs. My question is where the heck do you find a source for a step-up transformer for the

[neonixie-l] Re: HVPS Nixie Design

2011-07-16 Thread neutron spin
I have found some CCFL transformers that may work but they do not list the turns ratio. All the specs just list the secondary voltage ratings and power ratings. If these would work how do you determine the proper one to use?thanks... Robert On 16 July, 11:52, neutron spin mrstan

[neonixie-l] Re: HVPS Nixie Design

2011-07-16 Thread neutron spin
PM sent On 16 July, 12:54, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote: On 7/16/11 8:52 AM, neutron spin wrote: OK...newbie has another question for all the nixie folks out there... I have see the LT1308B High Current, Micropower Single Cell, 600kHz DC/ DC Converter made by Linear Tech

[neonixie-l] Re: HVPS Nixie Design

2011-07-16 Thread neutron spin
Good logic...I suppose it is like the difference between a Mercedes and a Chevy...they both will get you there but. On 16 July, 22:06, threeneurons threeneur...@yahoo.com wrote: | OK...newbie has another question ... | | I have see the LT1308B High Current, ... | DC Converter ... used in

[neonixie-l] Re: HVPS Nixie Design

2011-07-16 Thread neutron spin
If you were designing a 4 tube IN-17 clock on a very small footprint would the LT1308B be the way to go? Having the ability to run at the lower voltage may be a plus. I checked out Mr. Taylor's power supplies and they are nice but I wanted to use components on a new board design from scratch.,

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-15 Thread neutron spin
That clock has to be one of the coolest I've seen!One question...do you need to shake it that hard to change modes?A tilt switch like in my Android is very easy to activate but you probably need more axis or modes so ...(X/Y/Z) so accelerometer was needed. I do have an Arduino that is

[neonixie-l] Re: Dekatrons

2011-07-15 Thread neutron spin
Let me know if you still want to sell the IV-17's and price...thanks... Robert On 15 July, 15:34, Shane Ellis mime...@gmail.com wrote: I think I'll stick to the nixies, and neon bulbs for now.  I bought some IV-17s without any forethought, and those are a whole other animal.  If anyone wants

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-15 Thread neutron spin
Excellent write-upreally takes the mystery out of ittri state outputs...seems like there were discrete IC's that had similar outputs...Yes I remember tables...The Smith Charts sticks in my headstill have my old slide rule!thanks for the info.. you are a treasure trove of

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
As a hobbyist, would the Cortex chip be a good platform for learning. I know everyone hypes the Arduino environment for beginners but I would prefer to go with something different. I assume this MCU would not be overkill for a nixie clock design? I know these are used in devices as the

Re: [neonixie-l] New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
Thanks Adam, It seems that Stanislav Pechal's code is used by others as a starting point for some of these clock designs. I appreciate the information and can learn the basics. The code is pretty compact and has the basic features. The display multiplexing was something I wanted to get a

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
I have seen all transistor logic designshorror of horrors!...but it is a retro way of doing this. Perhaps using wire spring relays or step by step switches would really be interestingbut it would need a couple of racks to build...not really practical. I envision smaller compact

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-14 Thread neutron spin
Yes for the IN-17 design AVR would be my choice. I believe the AVR Tiny series are made in surface mount packages. Sandwich construction (Tube board stacked) and controller using mostly surface mount parts. This would accomplish two of my objectives.to make a small footprint nixie clock and

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-13 Thread neutron spin
I just checked out the LCPXpresso development board and it looks quite interesting as suggested by a member. The IDE is free and it is Linux compatable and has an onboard debugger for around $30. My question is this: Is it possible to use C code written for AVR or Microchip microcontrollers

[neonixie-l] New member has a question

2011-07-10 Thread neutron spin
Hello All, I find this group to be one of the most interesting hobby groups!With the compliment out of the way, I have a question on the various microcontroller firmware out there. I am looking for some free (OK... I said it!) firmware to use in a new nixie clock project. Atmel or Microchip

[neonixie-l] Re: New member has a question

2011-07-10 Thread neutron spin
...@dakotacom.net wrote: On 7/10/11 10:59 AM, neutron spin wrote: I understand that the folks that sell clocks or kits out there have to protect their code.  But I was looking for something open source or whatever that I could experiment with to get me started.  I have collected several

[neonixie-l] Re: 3000 tubes per year?

2011-07-07 Thread neutron spin
First you must create a market through advertising your product Second..determine the potential sales from an in-depth marketing study Third...calculate the total gross sales in dollars (if possible) Fourth...go to Goldmanm Sachs or a venture capital firm and present your case along with capital

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-07-01 Thread neutron spin
Probably the best method would be to build a WWVB or GPS 60Hz synchronized clock and designate that one a master and feed the others with that signal. Another possibility would be to build a small 60 Hz alternator with a WWVB or GPS synchronized phase locked loop to control it's frequency and

[neonixie-l] Re: now a full 7179 clock from the same seller, check out those tubes

2011-06-30 Thread neutron spin
From what I have heard that electrolytic capacitor chemical ingredients are treated like the Holy Grail by the capacitor manufacturers. The formulations are protected since this can make or break a manufacturer. The voltage and capacitance of course is determined by the chemical composition of

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-29 Thread neutron spin
I just knew you would do something like that! Now I will make a small temperature controlled oven for the crystal and we be happy!.You make the best nixie power supplies BTW...regards... On 29 June, 16:51, taylorjpt j...@tayloredge.com wrote: I did this for fun a while back.  It uses

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-29 Thread neutron spin
In fact this is the controller I may use: http://www.w6pql.com/crystal_oven_controller.htm On 29 June, 19:53, neutron spin mrstan...@charter.net wrote: I just knew you would do something like that!  Now I will make a small temperature controlled oven for the crystal and we be happy!.You

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-29 Thread neutron spin
I have always wondered what do you do when there is a power outage?Also do the utilities account for any outages or does that even matter? Yes, Yes I know you just reset the master line clock after the outage and all is well...regards... On 29 June, 20:00, James jamesrsw...@gmail.com wrote:

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-28 Thread neutron spin
Great idea...sometimes the simple designs are the most effectivethe only drawback of course for any of these crystals is the temperature effect on the crystal and drift. We are not dealing with NBS traceable standards here but if you a real sticklerI have some Cesiumjust kidding...the

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-28 Thread neutron spin
for temperature driftwow...are we splitting hairs or seconds?...lol...regards... On 28 June, 12:24, H. Carl Ott hcarl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:37 AM, neutron spin mrstan...@charter.net wrote: Great idea...sometimes the simple designs are the most effectivethe only drawback

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-27 Thread neutron spin
to have to add a 60Hz generator to it. Thanks for the link. On Jun 26, 11:05 am, neutron spin mrstan...@charter.net wrote: It's a conspiracy between Elm electronics the FERC. http://www.elmelectronics.com/ebench.html#Oscillators- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-27 Thread neutron spin
Personally I am going to use my old standby. the Heliochronometer On 27 June, 16:03, J Forbes jforbnos...@selectric.org wrote: I wonder how I'm gonna get that neat flapper mechanical clock to keep time after the experiment starts? Or my scope clock? or my TTL nixie clock? or my old Cathode

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-27 Thread neutron spin
Also many of the cheaply designed nixie clocks just use a cheap 4 Mhz or whatever the design uses and these are usually rated at 10 to 20 PPM. Color burst crystals can be found with similar tolerancesso what's the difference unless you are using temperature compensated oscillators..I

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-26 Thread neutron spin
It's a conspiracy between Elm electronics the FERC. http://www.elmelectronics.com/ebench.html#Oscillators On 26 June, 11:35, J Forbes jforbnos...@selectric.org wrote: We have about eight clocks here that we use to tell time at home regularlythey ALL are based on line frequency! Maybe we

[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-25 Thread neutron spin
I think the original idea of grid frequency maintenance is when clocks were purely mechanical before the digital era. They of course were just synchronous A.C. motors that were terribly inaccurate without the synchonization to the power grid's frequency. This also was before GPS and

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.

2011-06-25 Thread neutron spin
Yes ...that was a clever and (cheap) method of creating a relatively accurate time base but with modern technology there really is no reason to keep this method. Of course existing designs that use the grid's frequency are going to have to live with it. Similar to going from analog TV

[neonixie-l] Re: CD81 nixie tubes

2011-04-26 Thread neutron spin
$19..?must be a typo...lol... On 26 Apr, 10:45, watacchi watacc...@yahoo.co.jp wrote: Hi everyone. I have sooo huge stock of CD81 nixie tubes. Does anyone wants them? I can surely say that these are so rare and this may be last chance to get new ones. These was kept in a big warehouse