Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-11 Thread jodell
The coding I do for a paycheck mostly consists of web backends, high performance graphics stuff, hardware control (device drivers), or data conversion. Any particular language or were you using one of the mathematics packages? Banged the whole thing out in C. It modeled

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-09 Thread GastonP
The 2SB54 was one of the standard setup in 6-transistor radios for many years in my country. As far as I can recall (and I salvaged many of them in my teen years) the usual layout was: 1 x 2SA52 1st Converter/Oscillator 2 x 2SA49 1st and 2nd IF stages (@455KHz) 1 x 1N34 (or 1N60) AM Detector 1

[neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-08 Thread threeneurons
Back to blinking neon lamps. Here's the circuit used in that old Radio Shack kit: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tU3_rsWns3U/U0O3mXeFwEI/MOI/lJm9nsEYYcM/s1600/Neon_Blinker1.gif Only needs 5 resistors, 5 caps, and 5 neon bulbs. Can be powered with as little as 90V, but a nixie 180V

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-08 Thread John Rehwinkel
Back to blinking neon lamps. Here's the circuit used in that old Radio Shack kit: There's a great resource of the old Radio Shack P-Box kits here: http://my.core.com/~sparktron/pbox.html The 28-130 Goofy Lite is there, along with all its instructions. The page with the schematic is here:

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-08 Thread chuck richards
Great to see the Radio Shack P-Box kits again! But, where's the intercom? I guess by that time it was discontinued. I used that one more than any of the others. Chuck Original Message From: jreh...@mac.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox Date

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2014-04-08 Thread threeneurons
Bookmarking that P-Box link ! Memories of my early teen years. Thanx ! I wouldn't use that variation of a blocking oscillator, they use as their boost supply. That's a favorite circuit of theirs. Anytime they need a pulse train, out comes a center-tapped xfmr, and a xstr. You see it a lot in

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-08 Thread Nick
On Tuesday, 8 April 2014 16:22:36 UTC+1, threeneurons wrote: Good luck finding those Japanese germaniums ... On eBay at the moment - Toshiba 2SB54s at about USD 5 eachhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/2SB54-Transistor-x-1-pieces-/160937398278... (from Littlediode) Nick -- You received this message

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-08 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 14-04-08 11:38 AM, Nick wrote: On Tuesday, 8 April 2014 16:22:36 UTC+1, threeneurons wrote: Good luck finding those Japanese germaniums ... On eBay at the moment - Toshiba 2SB54s at about USD 5 each http://www.ebay.com/itm/2SB54-Transistor-x-1-pieces-/160937398278... (from

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-08 Thread threeneurons
Well, how about that ! A few months ago, I was searching for 'em, but it only came up with the Russian jobs. Though, I'm not looking to replicate that kit exactly, so I'll pass on them. For someone who feels more nostalgic, that'll be good. All I Know, as a kid, that it was tougher to kill a

[neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread jodell
The folks on this board know way more than I do about what was used to power historical equipment. I only worked with batteries for a year (25 years ago) as a technician (go there, do that) with the small watch cells and the only high-voltage work we did was a 5 cell pack of 1.5V AgMnO cells

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread John Rehwinkel
the only high-voltage work we did was a 5 cell pack of 1.5V AgMnO cells that was boosted by a customer's device to higher voltage (think of what the Invisible Fence collar unit does and you get the idea). I was thinking of nixies, for some reason. My interest is in the physical processes

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 14-04-06 04:12 PM, Tidak Ada wrote: Hi Charles, Can you tell me the type Zn-O2 Cell that could be used for camera's and exposure meters? I am still preserving some PX625's in the fridge, but once they will be empty. Do they stand longer as those for hearing aids? Or can you even stop the

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread Tidak Ada
Hi Charles, Thanks, great information. eric -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles MacDonald Sent: zondag 6 april 2014 22:26 To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox On 14-04-06 04:12

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread John Rehwinkel
Can you tell me the type Zn-O2 Cell that could be used for camera's and exposure meters? I am still preserving some PX625's in the fridge, but once they will be empty. Just get a MR-9 adapter and then you can use common cells and not have to recalibrate your camera like you would with a

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread John Rehwinkel
Can you tell me the type Zn-O2 Cell that could be used for camera's and exposure meters? I am still preserving some PX625's in the fridge, but once they will be empty. For a lot of solid data on battery replacements, this is a worthwhile document:

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-06 Thread jodell
I love the orange glow of Nixies, and a do-nothing box would distract me for hours. I only have one Nixie device, a clock (from Taylor Electronics) that sits in the bedroom and also serves as a nightlight. Currently out of commission as it took a tumble off the ledge and the power plug pulled

[neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-05 Thread petehand
Let's apply some engineering to see what kind of battery would do the job. Assuming a neon strikes at 90V and extinguishes at 60V, the average voltage across the resistor would be 15V. Initially, I arbitrarily choose the series resistor to be 1M and the capacitor to be 2.2nF. The flash rate

[neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-05 Thread jodell
My kids call me Buzz Killington when I remind them of the safety implications. Still, maybe a gentle reminder that a)any size cell in series at these voltages magnifies the results when any individual cell exhausts the reactants within it. b)the electrolyte in Lithium cells is

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-05 Thread John Rehwinkel
I used to work for one of the major battery producers in their RD facility and because I am rampantly curious, asked many questions You sound like me! This is a long-winded explanation that says, if you assemble a 90V cell, use the chemistry they did back then with the type of cells they

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-05 Thread Frank Bemelman
I'm no battery geek, but that last pdf was fun to look at ;-) Cheers, Frank -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: John Rehwinkel Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 4:06 PM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox I used to work for one of the major battery producers

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2014-04-05 Thread Joseph Bento
I always heard them referred to as an Idiot Box. Neon relaxation oscillators are fun. Such a device can be built where the lights blink in random patterns, or they can be configured to flash in sequence. 90 volts worth of 9v batteries is expensive, and a true B battery cost even more. I

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2014-04-05 Thread Instrument Resources of America
Speaking of batteries. I don't know how many of you buy batteries (cells) at Harbor Freight Tools, but be aware that they sell several different cells with different chemistries. Alkaline, which I've bought lots of and had no problems, and some VERY INEXPENSIVE cells, that I've been told by

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-04 Thread petehand
Wow, it's been a while since I saw one of those. These are better value - 75V in this pack for $3. But you'd have to make a holder. http://www.ebay.com/itm/50pcs-x-AG13-G13-L1154-LR44-SG13-357-A76-303-GP76-Button-Cell-Coin-Battery-T7-/121208181765?pt=US_Single_Use_Batterieshash=item1c38921405

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-04 Thread Nick
On Friday, 4 April 2014 09:30:19 UTC+1, petehand wrote: Wow, it's been a while since I saw one of those. These are better value - 75V in this pack for $3. But you'd have to make a holder.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-04 Thread Ron Schuster
How about these? 120v for $6.04. You'd only need to use 8 of them to get to 96v. With a little metal spacer they'd probably fit in a AA battery holder. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-pcs-GP23A-12V-Alarm-Remote-Alkaline-Batteries-GP-23AE-21-23-A23-23A-23GA-MN21-/300692052849 On Friday, April 4,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-04 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 14-04-04 04:41 AM, Nick wrote: On Friday, 4 April 2014 09:30:19 UTC+1, petehand wrote: LR44 are only 150mAh - PR44 (Zn/air) are 600mAh - somewhat better - the Hg ones, MR44, are now banned. What about the SR44 (Camera Batteries - silver Oxide 1.55V) I was told they were more powerful

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-04 Thread John Rehwinkel
How about these? 120v for $6.04. You'd only need to use 8 of them to get to 96v. With a little metal spacer they'd probably fit in a AA battery holder. They're only about 55mAh, but yeah, that's cheap for a bunch of volts. I use one or two of them in series to replace 22.5V batteries in

[neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-03 Thread threeneurons
I remember the circuit, but not that box. RadioShack even had a kit with 5 neon bulbs. I remember that one 'cause I bought one. Couple of power options. (1) 10 9V batteries, in series. With simple relax oscillators, those should last forever. (2) eBay a nixie supply. Some go down to 90V. I'd

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Whatbox

2014-04-03 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 14-04-03 12:07 PM, threeneurons wrote: I remember the circuit, but not that box. RadioShack even had a kit with 5 neon bulbs. I remember that one 'cause I bought one. Couple of power options. (1) 10 9V batteries, in series. With simple relax oscillators, those should last forever. (2) eBay a