Re: [neonixie-l] Re: resistance of filament warm vs cold
Enameled wire is pain to strip mechanically. Back in my school days we used a pill of Aspirin and push the end of enameled wire shortly onto it with hot solder iron. Aspirin would melt and eat away the enamel, easing the tining process. Fumes are not nice to inhale, though. @Gideon if you prefer protoboards, you can try kynar wire. A 30-gauge spool of it is not expensive, strips off easily and solders even easier. Tomislav On 9 December 2013 02:44, Adam Jacobs a...@jacobs.us wrote: Yes, but why use enamel coated wire in the first place? I've only ever used it for winding inductors and transformers. I hate the stuff. Dipping in molten solder usually works to remove the enamel, with a clean-up pass using sandpaper. My favorite protoboard wire is the old 80-wire PATA ribbon cables. In Seattle, I can buy the ribbon cable for $1, giving me quite a bit of good wire for the price. The wires easily separate with fingernails and the insulation easily strips with fingernails too. Avoid the 40-wire version, those use stranded wire instead of solid-core. -Adam On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM, AlexTsekenis alextseke...@gmail.comwrote: For any diameter of enamel-coated wire larger than a strand of hair, the burnt enamel should be removed to expose the copper. Otherwise solder wetting will be poor and the soldering process frustrating. You can do this using fine sandpaper, a file, or a sharp knife. Burning the enamel first makes removal easier. For thin wires the soldering iron is adequate. Larger diameters require a lighter. Even large diameters a small blowtorch. Tin the wire prior to soldering using a generous amount of flux. This will also show you if you did a good job scrapping off the burnt enamel. Alex On Sunday, December 8, 2013 10:55:05 PM UTC, Gideon Wackers wrote: Well the first board is filled with tubes, and my head is filled with headache from peering at the board.. The enameled wire was very hard to solder even after burning off the enamel layer. Although I do not dare to show the abomination that I call soldering the tubes are all connected. Don't worry I know how to solder, but the enamel wire was giving me a very hard time. The nice thing about the enamel wire was that it was easy to go through the forest of component legs. I'm off to bed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/3bd64c59-b0f7-4be1-a4ec-4ced96bbff34%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CA%2BAY7RydOr5RoK2EA%3D-p%2B_1cDOg8V8bpJWwud5BMQreKt63d7w%40mail.gmail.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAChpj6zH1nRMH1GCTdcjpWqfHy39bj7FoTBC-vyELaZW7doZQA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Anyone used Iteadstudio for PCBs?
http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html (note that their prices are for 10 boards) I was considering using them but was wondering if anyone here had any experiences to share, or another alternative that's better? Thanks Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/a5c5ff03-e2bc-49b2-98c7-3b2339a96bb1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Anyone used Iteadstudio for PCBs?
I used them before, not bad boards. I switched to hackvana.com as he is cheaper. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html (note that their prices are for 10 boards) I was considering using them but was wondering if anyone here had any experiences to share, or another alternative that's better? Thanks Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/a5c5ff03-e2bc-49b2-98c7-3b2339a96bb1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/5CA9F717-A246-4724-9CFF-DC03FBA38BD7%40yahoo.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: resistance of filament warm vs cold
Wow, great tip about the aspirin! I'll try that on my next transceiver build. :) -73 Adam W7QI On 12/9/2013 4:43 AM, Tomislav Kordaso wrote: Enameled wire is pain to strip mechanically. Back in my school days we used a pill of Aspirin and push the end of enameled wire shortly onto it with hot solder iron. Aspirin would melt and eat away the enamel, easing the tining process. Fumes are not nice to inhale, though. @Gideon if you prefer protoboards, you can try kynar wire. A 30-gauge spool of it is not expensive, strips off easily and solders even easier. Tomislav On 9 December 2013 02:44, Adam Jacobs a...@jacobs.us mailto:a...@jacobs.us wrote: Yes, but why use enamel coated wire in the first place? I've only ever used it for winding inductors and transformers. I hate the stuff. Dipping in molten solder usually works to remove the enamel, with a clean-up pass using sandpaper. My favorite protoboard wire is the old 80-wire PATA ribbon cables. In Seattle, I can buy the ribbon cable for $1, giving me quite a bit of good wire for the price. The wires easily separate with fingernails and the insulation easily strips with fingernails too. Avoid the 40-wire version, those use stranded wire instead of solid-core. -Adam On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM, AlexTsekenis alextseke...@gmail.com mailto:alextseke...@gmail.com wrote: For any diameter of enamel-coated wire larger than a strand of hair, the burnt enamel should be removed to expose the copper. Otherwise solder wetting will be poor and the soldering process frustrating. You can do this using fine sandpaper, a file, or a sharp knife. Burning the enamel first makes removal easier. For thin wires the soldering iron is adequate. Larger diameters require a lighter. Even large diameters a small blowtorch. Tin the wire prior to soldering using a generous amount of flux. This will also show you if you did a good job scrapping off the burnt enamel. Alex On Sunday, December 8, 2013 10:55:05 PM UTC, Gideon Wackers wrote: Well the first board is filled with tubes, and my head is filled with headache from peering at the board.. The enameled wire was very hard to solder even after burning off the enamel layer. Although I do not dare to show the abomination that I call soldering the tubes are all connected. Don't worry I know how to solder, but the enamel wire was giving me a very hard time. The nice thing about the enamel wire was that it was easy to go through the forest of component legs. I'm off to bed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/3bd64c59-b0f7-4be1-a4ec-4ced96bbff34%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CA%2BAY7RydOr5RoK2EA%3D-p%2B_1cDOg8V8bpJWwud5BMQreKt63d7w%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAChpj6zH1nRMH1GCTdcjpWqfHy39bj7FoTBC-vyELaZW7doZQA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit
Re: [neonixie-l] Anyone used Iteadstudio for PCBs?
I've used them a few times. I think their prices are very good which has really transformed my attitude to getting prototypes made. The only problem is there might be postal delays due to Hong Kong customs. I cuurently have a set of board which they shipped last week, I can let you know when they arrive as an up to the minute report. Nigel. - Original Message - From: Nick To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Anyone used Iteadstudio for PCBs? http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html (note that their prices are for 10 boards) I was considering using them but was wondering if anyone here had any experiences to share, or another alternative that's better? Thanks Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/a5c5ff03-e2bc-49b2-98c7-3b2339a96bb1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/AD9DC96E19FF4294A37210BD7398EB13%40Vostro400. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: resistance of filament warm vs cold
Yes, the aspirin trick is a great one on the enameled wire! I think of this place every time I use it. I've built many circuit cards on Vector #3677 plugboards. They are about 4.5 inch x 9.5 inch, and they have a 22/44 edge connector, and a hole pattern for 3 columns of ics. I use #30 ga wirewrap wire as soldered jumpers. I run the jumpers on the top side, leaving the solder side being just the solder joints. One really nice advantage of the Kynar insulation is that it has a very small amount of shrink-back when soldered. I have found that many other wires such as stranded wires from ribbon cable tend to have lots of shrink-back, which can be a real pain. I also tend to juice up most of my solder joints with a little extra flux to make the solder flow easily. I use some special non-conductive flux for these boards with the tiny close-spaced traces. Yeah, they are through-hole parts, and that stuff is plenty small enough for me! I have not worked on SMD yet, and do not especially relish the thought of it. Chuck Original Message From: a...@jacobs.us To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: resistance of filament warm vs cold Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:44:12 -0800 Yes, but why use enamel coated wire in the first place? I've only ever used it for winding inductors and transformers. I hate the stuff. Dipping in molten solder usually works to remove the enamel, with a clean-up pass using sandpaper. My favorite protoboard wire is the old 80-wire PATA ribbon cables. In Seattle, I can buy the ribbon cable for $1, giving me quite a bit of good wire for the price. The wires easily separate with fingernails and the insulation easily strips with fingernails too. Avoid the 40-wire version, those use stranded wire instead of solid-core. -Adam On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM, AlexTsekenis alextseke...@gmail.com wrote: For any diameter of enamel-coated wire larger than a strand of hair, the burnt enamel should be removed to expose the copper. Otherwise solder wetting will be poor and the soldering process frustrating. You can do this using fine sandpaper, a file, or a sharp knife. Burning the enamel first makes removal easier. For thin wires the soldering iron is adequate. Larger diameters require a lighter. Even large diameters a small blowtorch. Tin the wire prior to soldering using a generous amount of flux. This will also show you if you did a good job scrapping off the burnt enamel. Alex On Sunday, December 8, 2013 10:55:05 PM UTC, Gideon Wackers wrote: Well the first board is filled with tubes, and my head is filled with headache from peering at the board.. The enameled wire was very hard to solder even after burning off the enamel layer. Although I do not dare to show the abomination that I call soldering the tubes are all connected. Don't worry I know how to solder, but the enamel wire was giving me a very hard time. The nice thing about the enamel wire was that it was easy to go through the forest of component legs. I'm off to bed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/3bd64c59-b0f7-4be1-a4ec- 4ced96bbff34%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CA%2BAY7RydOr5RoK2EA%3D- p%2B_1cDOg8V8bpJWwud5BMQreKt63d7w%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/380-220131219162511319%40all2easy.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Measuring e/m for an electron
Time to blow the dust of that 2AP1 CRT and measure the e/m ratio of an electron. http://youtu.be/7pbfzp8DlYQ I've told Javier about neonixie so I hope he is lurking by now. Grahame -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52A60C6A.6070702%40googlemail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Anyone used Iteadstudio for PCBs?
Matt, What do the stencils from oshstencil.com actually look like? Are they just the sheet of Polyimide that you lay on the board, smear, and lift or is there some sort of jig it goes into? On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Matthew Smith m...@smiffytech.com wrote: Quoth Nick at 2013-12-10 00:46 ... http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html (note that their prices are for 10 boards) I was considering using them but was wondering if anyone here had any experiences to share, or another alternative that's better I use http://oshpark.com US fab, very high quality, Pb-free, product, free international shipping. (Plus a really cool purple soldermask.) One of the biggest pluses for me is that I can upload an Eagle .brd file, without all the mucking around exporting and zipping up Gerbers, like you have to do with some providers (like Seeed Studio.) Double-sided boards come out at 5 USD per square inch, and, for that, you get three copies. If you want to do your soldering in a toaster oven (reflow,) there's a similar service (different people, I think,) for stencils: http://oshstencil.com -- Matthew Smith Business: http://www.smiffytech.com Blog: http://www.smiffysplace.com Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/msmiffy Twitter: http://twitter.com/smiffy ABN 16 391 203 815 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/neonixie-l/52A62C62.6060908%40smiffytech.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOXC3DGQ2gBojb0RS3SFEHe2f_tU1B9-yu6W%2BanE1B9akUj-Tw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Anyone used Iteadstudio for PCBs?
Quoth Steven Donaldson at 2013-12-10 07:28 ... Matt, What do the stencils from oshstencil.com http://oshstencil.com actually look like? Are they just the sheet of Polyimide that you lay on the board, smear, and lift or is there some sort of jig it goes into? I have yet to order from them, but it is just a polyimide sheet. They sell a little jig for 5 USD - just two L-shaped pieces of some material, to help hold the stencil flat. (See pricing page for picture.) -- Matthew Smith Business: http://www.smiffytech.com Blog: http://www.smiffysplace.com Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/msmiffy Twitter: http://twitter.com/smiffy ABN 16 391 203 815 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52A6326A.8050305%40smiffytech.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: [TCA] Re: Shameless Plug, and Contest/Giveaway for NL5440As
To the group. This was sent to me by Jorge directly. I like this project for several reasons, creative, father daughter project etc. Tim Laing Dear sir or madam: That is a very kind offer from you. I showed this to my daughter and she thought that she could find an old aged piece of wood from the beach a create a Season Tree. Spaces for the tubes could be carved out from the wood and with RGB LEDs, they could be illuminated on the bottom depending on the season. For Xmas, the LED colors would be green, white and red. For the 4th of July, red, white and blue, for Hallowen - all orange, etc. She would do the art work and I would help her with the electronics and programming side. Good daughter and father project. Thanks and have happy holidays. Jorge -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/93f5a67ce9c35df2a81b300a7978665d.squirrel%40webmail.wcoil.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: [TCA] Re: Shameless Plug, and Contest/Giveaway for NL5440As
That sounds like a lovely project indeed! I for myself am currently building a non-clock with five IN-14 and two IN-19A tubes; the purpose is to build a steampunk display for my father: he is a runner and recently came past the 1km mark; with this device he will be able to display the current amount of kilometers after each run. The two IN-19A tubes will display k and m statically. Will post pictures on my website when the project is done, of course. [This should not be miscontrued as a participation in the contest; personally, I LOVE the idea of the season tree and I think it is so lovely] Best wishes Jens To the group. This was sent to me by Jorge directly. I like this project for several reasons, creative, father daughter project etc. Tim Laing Dear sir or madam: That is a very kind offer from you. I showed this to my daughter and she thought that she could find an old aged piece of wood from the beach a create a Season Tree. Spaces for the tubes could be carved out from the wood and with RGB LEDs, they could be illuminated on the bottom depending on the season. For Xmas, the LED colors would be green, white and red. For the 4th of July, red, white and blue, for Hallowen - all orange, etc. She would do the art work and I would help her with the electronics and programming side. Good daughter and father project. Thanks and have happy holidays. Jorge -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52A6522A.2040406%40jb-electronics.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: [TCA] Re: Shameless Plug, and Contest/Giveaway for NL5440As
How about six Nixies to replace UP TO six dice for playing various games. Any number of nixies could be turned on depending on how many dice were needed for the particular game being played, and then a random number generator would be used to select counts of from 1-6 for each Nixie turned on. Should be simple enough. Ira. On 12/9/2013 3:28 PM, jb-electronics wrote: That sounds like a lovely project indeed! I for myself am currently building a non-clock with five IN-14 and two IN-19A tubes; the purpose is to build a steampunk display for my father: he is a runner and recently came past the 1km mark; with this device he will be able to display the current amount of kilometers after each run. The two IN-19A tubes will display k and m statically. Will post pictures on my website when the project is done, of course. [This should not be miscontrued as a participation in the contest; personally, I LOVE the idea of the season tree and I think it is so lovely] Best wishes Jens To the group. This was sent to me by Jorge directly. I like this project for several reasons, creative, father daughter project etc. Tim Laing Dear sir or madam: That is a very kind offer from you. I showed this to my daughter and she thought that she could find an old aged piece of wood from the beach a create a Season Tree. Spaces for the tubes could be carved out from the wood and with RGB LEDs, they could be illuminated on the bottom depending on the season. For Xmas, the LED colors would be green, white and red. For the 4th of July, red, white and blue, for Hallowen - all orange, etc. She would do the art work and I would help her with the electronics and programming side. Good daughter and father project. Thanks and have happy holidays. Jorge -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52A6C7BB.6010903%40HUGHES.NET. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. attachment: IRACOSALES.vcf
