Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
Interesting discussion. Lots of interest in FLW clocks and derivatives. What interests me is using that database of word associations derived from psychological profiling, so that for example after the word flee the word fear shows up 80% of the time, with the word foes taking the remaining 20%. A random word would only be chosen when a word caused no associations, there are quite a few in the database. I suppose there were recorded at the end of a session. Nice touch Dr. Odell with a dirty word defeat switch. These show up quite a lot in the database. An interesting inverse position would be to only use dirty words :) As to displays, I have some huge 8 high flipdot 5x7 matrix display that came from highway signs. I am prototyping a driver circuit, and I want something impressive for them to display. Sorry no glowing glass, but flipdots are pretty cool. Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com On 20 April 2015 at 11:23, koolatron koolat...@gmail.com wrote: Gastón, Sure thing. I will post here when I am happy with the firmware! The MCU is an atmega32u2 clocked at 16 MHz. It has a built-in USB peripheral for communicating with a host computer. Sea On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-7, GastonP wrote: Very nice... I have bought 10 IV-4's just for this kind of thing. If you decide to go open please share. BTW... which processor are you using? Gastón On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 8:00:45 PM UTC-3, koolatron wrote: I actually designed and built a FLW clock out of IV-4/IV-17s; they’re quite nice little tubes and currently still reasonably easy to get on the e-site. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/709108/iv4lw.JPG And here’s a short movie of an older version of the clock “walking the tree” as was mentioned earlier in the thread: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/709108/iv4lw2_wordwalk.mov Once I’ve finished up the software, I’ll open it up if there’s interest. Sean On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 6:11:31 AM UTC-7, jrehwin wrote: As the B7971’s are so expensive these days, perhaps we should look for really large VFD’s. Or LED matrices. I scored some huge two-character VFDs from an elevator panel refit, along with several smaller 16-character ones that accept serial input at 600bps. The IV-4/IV-17 ones are a good size and still affordable. Noritake occasionally gives away some nice VFD doc matrix displays, too. One of the important points in using them, as you already noted is to look good, they need to have accurate spacing, so it sort of rules out individual LED’s - which are really cheap. You can build it up out of individual alphanumeric LED displays, which are available in a bunch of large sizes (like the Evil Mad Science 5 letter clock). I'm also working on an ongoing project to use an old monoscope tube as a character generator to display nicely formed characters on a small CRT. This could be the basis for a 4/5/6LW project, including some fun effects like stretching letters vertically or horizontally, and moving them around. I'm on about the sixth redesign (LT1172 switching regulator driving a CCFL inverter with a voltage doubler) of the monoscope power supply at this point. I like the idea of a scrolling clock or FLW – these days micros are not expensive. So it should not be too difficult to do a large scrolling clock then the issue of four, five, six , sever or more scrolling words is not an issue, especially if the matrices can be banked together. Some of the PJRC boards have PLENTY of memory and CPU horsepower, and they're small, cheap, and can be used with the Arduino toolset. - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9b3c5fdc-19c1-454f-8030-79c582cc9a90%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9b3c5fdc-19c1-454f-8030-79c582cc9a90%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAHjG12SuUsNPp8tSMv1arQEWOy%2B8dDqG5nMSOc7RNu5Wa-4qyw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
I actually designed and built a FLW clock out of IV-4/IV-17s; they’re quite nice little tubes and currently still reasonably easy to get on the e-site. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/709108/iv4lw.JPG And here’s a short movie of an older version of the clock “walking the tree” as was mentioned earlier in the thread: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/709108/iv4lw2_wordwalk.mov Once I’ve finished up the software, I’ll open it up if there’s interest. Sean On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 6:11:31 AM UTC-7, jrehwin wrote: As the B7971’s are so expensive these days, perhaps we should look for really large VFD’s. Or LED matrices. I scored some huge two-character VFDs from an elevator panel refit, along with several smaller 16-character ones that accept serial input at 600bps. The IV-4/IV-17 ones are a good size and still affordable. Noritake occasionally gives away some nice VFD doc matrix displays, too. One of the important points in using them, as you already noted is to look good, they need to have accurate spacing, so it sort of rules out individual LED’s - which are really cheap. You can build it up out of individual alphanumeric LED displays, which are available in a bunch of large sizes (like the Evil Mad Science 5 letter clock). I'm also working on an ongoing project to use an old monoscope tube as a character generator to display nicely formed characters on a small CRT. This could be the basis for a 4/5/6LW project, including some fun effects like stretching letters vertically or horizontally, and moving them around. I'm on about the sixth redesign (LT1172 switching regulator driving a CCFL inverter with a voltage doubler) of the monoscope power supply at this point. I like the idea of a scrolling clock or FLW – these days micros are not expensive. So it should not be too difficult to do a large scrolling clock then the issue of four, five, six , sever or more scrolling words is not an issue, especially if the matrices can be banked together. Some of the PJRC boards have PLENTY of memory and CPU horsepower, and they're small, cheap, and can be used with the Arduino toolset. - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/086686f3-07d2-41ac-a696-1dd23c13389b%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
Very nice... I have bought 10 IV-4's just for this kind of thing. If you decide to go open please share. BTW... which processor are you using? Gastón On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 8:00:45 PM UTC-3, koolatron wrote: I actually designed and built a FLW clock out of IV-4/IV-17s; they’re quite nice little tubes and currently still reasonably easy to get on the e-site. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/709108/iv4lw.JPG And here’s a short movie of an older version of the clock “walking the tree” as was mentioned earlier in the thread: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/709108/iv4lw2_wordwalk.mov Once I’ve finished up the software, I’ll open it up if there’s interest. Sean On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 6:11:31 AM UTC-7, jrehwin wrote: As the B7971’s are so expensive these days, perhaps we should look for really large VFD’s. Or LED matrices. I scored some huge two-character VFDs from an elevator panel refit, along with several smaller 16-character ones that accept serial input at 600bps. The IV-4/IV-17 ones are a good size and still affordable. Noritake occasionally gives away some nice VFD doc matrix displays, too. One of the important points in using them, as you already noted is to look good, they need to have accurate spacing, so it sort of rules out individual LED’s - which are really cheap. You can build it up out of individual alphanumeric LED displays, which are available in a bunch of large sizes (like the Evil Mad Science 5 letter clock). I'm also working on an ongoing project to use an old monoscope tube as a character generator to display nicely formed characters on a small CRT. This could be the basis for a 4/5/6LW project, including some fun effects like stretching letters vertically or horizontally, and moving them around. I'm on about the sixth redesign (LT1172 switching regulator driving a CCFL inverter with a voltage doubler) of the monoscope power supply at this point. I like the idea of a scrolling clock or FLW – these days micros are not expensive. So it should not be too difficult to do a large scrolling clock then the issue of four, five, six , sever or more scrolling words is not an issue, especially if the matrices can be banked together. Some of the PJRC boards have PLENTY of memory and CPU horsepower, and they're small, cheap, and can be used with the Arduino toolset. - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/0079b73e-e018-459c-b8c7-d71a9c13ab0f%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
I've got a bunch of IV-4s and IV-17s, so I'm definitely interested. Count me in once you open it up. TIA Jon D. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ca804ff8-3ee2-4c96-b335-890bdae26363%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Grahame Marsh grahame.ma...@googlemail.com wrote: FLW on a 1 CRT is easy fbjfbgje.jpg And on a 3 CRT, 6 letters (or more) is practicable. To get nicely formed letters I'm using the sine/cosine drawing method (i.e. David Forbes scope clock). I'm guessing the letters in the picture of the 1 tube are not formed by sine/cosine. Raster, maybe? Can you share some details? - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/F039982E-8713-4EB7-9578-4C54E48DE80F%40mac.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
My first published scope clock, you've seen it before http://www.sgitheach.org.uk/scope1.html pixel based just using two DACs to position the beam. Bresenham's algorithm to draw the lines. Display is 64 x 64 pixels on the 1 tube. To move forward I would certainly now use sine/cosine drawing. I store the words in an external eeprom, in the future I'm planning on using a SD card. Grahame On 18/04/2015 15:14, John Rehwinkel wrote: On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Grahame Marsh grahame.ma...@googlemail.com wrote: FLW on a 1 CRT is easy fbjfbgje.jpg And on a 3 CRT, 6 letters (or more) is practicable. To get nicely formed letters I'm using the sine/cosine drawing method (i.e. David Forbes scope clock). I'm guessing the letters in the picture of the 1 tube are not formed by sine/cosine. Raster, maybe? Can you share some details? - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/55326CC5.805%40googlemail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
That's a wonderful list - just the thing for a 40 character VFD!! Morris On Friday, 17 April 2015 02:18:09 UTC+10, Nixcited delighted wrote: On 16 Apr 2015, at 14:26, Grahame Marsh wrote: I was looking for a much larger word list and probably some form of scrolling proverbs perhaps. Grahame, I was working on a list of proverbs and quotes mentioning time or related to time in some way, for a similar reason. My list, which may need weeding, is at http://www.clock-it.net/quotes.html It assumes you can do a single quote mark/apostrophe and a minus sign. Otherwise no punctuation, all caps. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9ace52e5-9b4e-45a6-9e85-20f6a0603111%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
Oh yeah! that's a bloody good list that I have immediately copied into my proverbs directory! I have a lot of Terry Pratchett (RIP, tearfully) in particular from Thief of Time, but mostly not related to time such as Blake etc, as well as the common proverbs, also things like He's dead Jim and May the farce be with you which can be absolute corkers when they appear. When I get a chance, I will sort through my lists for time related sayings and email you any that might add to yours. Give a man a fire and keep him warm for a day; set a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life; give a man a few cats and he'll do nothing else but fish On 16/04/2015 17:18, Quixotic Nixotic wrote: On 16 Apr 2015, at 14:26, Grahame Marsh wrote: I was looking for a much larger word list and probably some form of scrolling proverbs perhaps. Grahame, I was working on a list of proverbs and quotes mentioning time or related to time in some way, for a similar reason. My list, which may need weeding, is at http://www.clock-it.net/quotes.html It assumes you can do a single quote mark/apostrophe and a minus sign. Otherwise no punctuation, all caps. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/D1D52B89-BB05-4B7B-9B3B-0EFC35432F4B%40jsdesign.co.uk https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/D1D52B89-BB05-4B7B-9B3B-0EFC35432F4B%40jsdesign.co.uk?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/552FE5CD.30905%40googlemail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
As the B7971’s are so expensive these days, perhaps we should look for really large VFD’s. Or LED matrices. I scored some huge two-character VFDs from an elevator panel refit, along with several smaller 16-character ones that accept serial input at 600bps. The IV-4/IV-17 ones are a good size and still affordable. Noritake occasionally gives away some nice VFD doc matrix displays, too. One of the important points in using them, as you already noted is to look good, they need to have accurate spacing, so it sort of rules out individual LED’s - which are really cheap. You can build it up out of individual alphanumeric LED displays, which are available in a bunch of large sizes (like the Evil Mad Science 5 letter clock). I'm also working on an ongoing project to use an old monoscope tube as a character generator to display nicely formed characters on a small CRT. This could be the basis for a 4/5/6LW project, including some fun effects like stretching letters vertically or horizontally, and moving them around. I'm on about the sixth redesign (LT1172 switching regulator driving a CCFL inverter with a voltage doubler) of the monoscope power supply at this point. I like the idea of a scrolling clock or FLW – these days micros are not expensive. So it should not be too difficult to do a large scrolling clock then the issue of four, five, six , sever or more scrolling words is not an issue, especially if the matrices can be banked together. Some of the PJRC boards have PLENTY of memory and CPU horsepower, and they're small, cheap, and can be used with the Arduino toolset. - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/F15654BD-A040-4DE8-A3E9-FBCF6A5C53C1%40mac.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
On 16/04/2015 14:11, John Rehwinkel wrote: I'm also working on an ongoing project to use an old monoscope tube as a character generator to display nicely formed characters on a small CRT. This could be the basis for a 4/5/6LW project, including some fun effects like stretching letters vertically or horizontally, and moving them around. I'm on about the sixth redesign (LT1172 switching regulator driving a CCFL inverter with a voltage doubler) of the monoscope power supply at this point. I've built a character display on a single 1 CRT (DH3-91) with the idea of using several in parallel to make a multi CRT FLW+. Project was sidelined by other projects... FLW on a 1 CRT is easy And on a 3 CRT, 6 letters (or more) is practicable. My current scope clock project uses a 5 CRT so I was looking for a much larger word list and probably some form of scrolling proverbs perhaps. I'm aiming to store the words and proverbs on a small removable SD card so updating the library does not involve reprogramming the micro, just updating the text files on the SD card. In terms of a CRT, it is a good use for a rectangular CRT which fits well displaying letters. To get nicely formed letters I'm using the sine/cosine drawing method (i.e. David Forbes scope clock). Grahame -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/552FB89E.7020705%40googlemail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
That is an excellent list. On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 9:18:09 AM UTC-7, Nixcited delighted wrote: Grahame, I was working on a list of proverbs and quotes mentioning time or related to time in some way, for a similar reason. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/8fe3558f-65b5-4e37-b714-c31faf57849d%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
Not to mention a lack of affordable tubes7971's aren't very common on EBay, and when they do appear, the price skyrockets. I'm not a fan of segmented displays, so I've wondered if it's even possible to make a tube with 26 cathodes (A-Z), and perhaps fewer if you got clever by splitting letters with similar shapes, such as O,Q,C and I,T. Apparently Burroughs made 'alpha' tubes with letters A-M and N-Z (with a few letters missing) but I've never seen one. And neither is a full alphabet. However, there are some NL-40225AL available on fleabay (auction 251387544213), displaying A, B, C, D, E, +, and -. $5.62 apiece. Not my auction (but I bought some). http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/data/B-40225-AL/b-40225-al.htm - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/A27F885B-236E-46E8-8906-DCA6DE94BB80%40mac.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
Thanks, but I have to resist the temptation (VERY difficult, I might add).almost like an alcoholic reaching for the bottle. I dont have any forecasted projects that could use these, and they are smaller than my other nixies. If you end up making some kind of texty device with your tubes, please post photos! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/86c74bc6-5fbb-4c8b-8fb6-8c45ccb3317e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] FLW Clocks
Everyone on this list has heard of four letter word clocks. But a clock with seconds has 6 digits. Has anyone ever made a six letter word clock? Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAHjG12QJpWFNNix75zztiAp89Ahp%3DHS8pxsM-9Fk9b9B1qTcvA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
