Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[bdu...@gmail.com]

Gaston,
Try reducing the series dropping resistor value a little.  On one clock kit 
I have, the neon bulbs were driven off the 170v supply each bulb with a 
220K resistor in series. I was having flickering, and the kit designer 
mentioned that often you may need to play with the series resistor value as 
different bulbs behave a bit differently.  He suggested trying a slightly 
lower value.  In my case replacing the 220k series resistors with 180k 
resistors stopped the flickering.

- Bill


On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:56:02 PM UTC-4 GastonP wrote:

> Those do look nice! Good find. If they are more stable than  INS-1s, which 
> sometimes develop kind of a flickering, I envision the supply will dry 
> pretty soon.
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 10:23:19 PM UTC-3 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not sure if anyone else is interested, but I bought some of the bulbs at 
>> the Electronics Surplus site, and they do have the lens end.  They are 
>> $0.45 each.  Attached is a picture of the purchased bulbs.
>> - Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Duane wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gaston,
>>> Those look exactly like the ones I have!  Great find.
>>>
>>> I did locate another possible source, but it is a little hard to see 
>>> from the picture if there is a lens on the top of the bulb or not.  
>>> Interestingly, the bulbs you located are NE-1M, and these are NE-1P.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/inter-market-inc-ne-1p-lamps-lights-neon-miniature
>>>
>>> Good news is the NE-1Ps are a less expensive - guess I will have to buy 
>>> a few to see if there is a lens.
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping out.
>>>
>>> - Bill
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-4, GastonP wrote:

 I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in 
 cheek). Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller, 
 etc.)


 https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732

 Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and 
 one possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.

 Gastón




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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[Bill Duane]

Greg,
The link is just below.

- Bill

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 10:44 AM 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Do you have a link for these bulbs.  I would like to order some?
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 9:23:19 PM UTC-4 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not sure if anyone else is interested, but I bought some of the bulbs at
>> the Electronics Surplus site, and they do have the lens end.  They are
>> $0.45 each.  Attached is a picture of the purchased bulbs.
>> - Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Duane wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gaston,
>>> Those look exactly like the ones I have!  Great find.
>>>
>>> I did locate another possible source, but it is a little hard to see
>>> from the picture if there is a lens on the top of the bulb or not.
>>> Interestingly, the bulbs you located are NE-1M, and these are NE-1P.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/inter-market-inc-ne-1p-lamps-lights-neon-miniature
>>>
>>> Good news is the NE-1Ps are a less expensive - guess I will have to buy
>>> a few to see if there is a lens.
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping out.
>>>
>>> - Bill
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-4, GastonP wrote:

 I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in
 cheek). Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller,
 etc.)


 https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732

 Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and
 one possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.

 Gastón



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

['Greg P' via neonixie-l]

Do you have a link for these bulbs.  I would like to order some?

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 9:23:19 PM UTC-4 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not sure if anyone else is interested, but I bought some of the bulbs at 
> the Electronics Surplus site, and they do have the lens end.  They are 
> $0.45 each.  Attached is a picture of the purchased bulbs.
> - Bill
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Duane wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gaston,
>> Those look exactly like the ones I have!  Great find.
>>
>> I did locate another possible source, but it is a little hard to see from 
>> the picture if there is a lens on the top of the bulb or not.  
>> Interestingly, the bulbs you located are NE-1M, and these are NE-1P.
>>
>>
>> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/inter-market-inc-ne-1p-lamps-lights-neon-miniature
>>
>> Good news is the NE-1Ps are a less expensive - guess I will have to buy a 
>> few to see if there is a lens.
>>
>> Thanks for helping out.
>>
>> - Bill
>>
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-4, GastonP wrote:
>>>
>>> I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in 
>>> cheek). Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller, 
>>> etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732
>>>
>>> Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and one 
>>> possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.
>>>
>>> Gastón
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[GastonP]

Those do look nice! Good find. If they are more stable than  INS-1s, which 
sometimes develop kind of a flickering, I envision the supply will dry 
pretty soon.

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 10:23:19 PM UTC-3 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not sure if anyone else is interested, but I bought some of the bulbs at 
> the Electronics Surplus site, and they do have the lens end.  They are 
> $0.45 each.  Attached is a picture of the purchased bulbs.
> - Bill
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Duane wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gaston,
>> Those look exactly like the ones I have!  Great find.
>>
>> I did locate another possible source, but it is a little hard to see from 
>> the picture if there is a lens on the top of the bulb or not.  
>> Interestingly, the bulbs you located are NE-1M, and these are NE-1P.
>>
>>
>> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/inter-market-inc-ne-1p-lamps-lights-neon-miniature
>>
>> Good news is the NE-1Ps are a less expensive - guess I will have to buy a 
>> few to see if there is a lens.
>>
>> Thanks for helping out.
>>
>> - Bill
>>
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-4, GastonP wrote:
>>>
>>> I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in 
>>> cheek). Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller, 
>>> etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732
>>>
>>> Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and one 
>>> possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.
>>>
>>> Gastón
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[Bill Duane]

Not sure if anyone else is interested, but I bought some of the bulbs at 
the Electronics Surplus site, and they do have the lens end.  They are 
$0.45 each.  Attached is a picture of the purchased bulbs.
- Bill



On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Duane wrote:
>
> Hi Gaston,
> Those look exactly like the ones I have!  Great find.
>
> I did locate another possible source, but it is a little hard to see from 
> the picture if there is a lens on the top of the bulb or not.  
> Interestingly, the bulbs you located are NE-1M, and these are NE-1P.
>
>
> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/inter-market-inc-ne-1p-lamps-lights-neon-miniature
>
> Good news is the NE-1Ps are a less expensive - guess I will have to buy a 
> few to see if there is a lens.
>
> Thanks for helping out.
>
> - Bill
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-4, GastonP wrote:
>>
>> I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in cheek). 
>> Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller, etc.)
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732
>>
>> Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and one 
>> possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.
>>
>> Gastón
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[Bill Duane]

Hi Gaston,
Those look exactly like the ones I have!  Great find.

I did locate another possible source, but it is a little hard to see from 
the picture if there is a lens on the top of the bulb or not.  
Interestingly, the bulbs you located are NE-1M, and these are NE-1P.

https://www.electronicsurplus.com/inter-market-inc-ne-1p-lamps-lights-neon-miniature

Good news is the NE-1Ps are a less expensive - guess I will have to buy a 
few to see if there is a lens.

Thanks for helping out.

- Bill

On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-4, GastonP wrote:
>
> I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in cheek). 
> Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller, etc.)
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732
>
> Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and one 
> possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.
>
> Gastón
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:33:29 PM UTC-3 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Mike, Terry,
>> Thanks for the suggestions.  I have a number of INS-1 neon tubes.  They 
>> are rather large, but usable.  I was hoping to find a smaller bulb with a 
>> lens end.
>>
>> I have seen thyratrons before, but have not found explanations on how to 
>> drive them.  If you have any pointers that would be appreciated.
>>
>> - Bill
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:33:40 PM UTC-4 Terry Bowman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Mike Mitchell  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've used the Russian INS-1 for a colon separator.  
>>> https://tubehobby.com/show_det.php?det=9 or 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/p/707429259
>>> See also 
>>> https://hackaday.io/project/1940-modular-nixie-display/log/29161-ins-1
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a number of Soviet indicator lamps with a form factor similar 
>>> to the INS-1. The big difference is that they're all thyratrons. The IN-6 
>>> is the most common. I haven't studied the datasheets closely but you may be 
>>> able to trigger them with something like 5V. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>>
>>> https://www.astarcloseup.com/
>>>
>>> “The book said something astonishing, a very big thought.
>>> It said that the stars were suns, only very far away.
>>> The Sun was a star, but close up.”—Carl Sagan, *Cosmos*, 1980
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[GastonP]

I just found this ones in the auction site we all love (tongue in cheek). 
Usual disclaimers apply (not my auction, don't know the seller, etc.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NE-1M-Neon-Light-Bulbs-with-magnifier-focus-lens-For-turntable-speed-strobes/172514011732

Pretty expensive priced, but it gives a hint on the name (NE-1M) and one 
possible application (turntable strobe light) which explains the price.

Gastón

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:33:29 PM UTC-3 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mike, Terry,
> Thanks for the suggestions.  I have a number of INS-1 neon tubes.  They 
> are rather large, but usable.  I was hoping to find a smaller bulb with a 
> lens end.
>
> I have seen thyratrons before, but have not found explanations on how to 
> drive them.  If you have any pointers that would be appreciated.
>
> - Bill
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:33:40 PM UTC-4 Terry Bowman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Mike Mitchell  wrote:
>>
>> I've used the Russian INS-1 for a colon separator.  
>> https://tubehobby.com/show_det.php?det=9 or 
>> https://www.ebay.com/p/707429259
>> See also 
>> https://hackaday.io/project/1940-modular-nixie-display/log/29161-ins-1
>>
>>
>> There are a number of Soviet indicator lamps with a form factor similar 
>> to the INS-1. The big difference is that they're all thyratrons. The IN-6 
>> is the most common. I haven't studied the datasheets closely but you may be 
>> able to trigger them with something like 5V. 
>>
>>
>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>
>> https://www.astarcloseup.com/
>>
>> “The book said something astonishing, a very big thought.
>> It said that the stars were suns, only very far away.
>> The Sun was a star, but close up.”—Carl Sagan, *Cosmos*, 1980
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[bdu...@gmail.com]

Mike, Terry,
Thanks for the suggestions.  I have a number of INS-1 neon tubes.  They are 
rather large, but usable.  I was hoping to find a smaller bulb with a lens 
end.

I have seen thyratrons before, but have not found explanations on how to 
drive them.  If you have any pointers that would be appreciated.

- Bill

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:33:40 PM UTC-4 Terry Bowman wrote:

>
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Mike Mitchell  wrote:
>
> I've used the Russian INS-1 for a colon separator.  
> https://tubehobby.com/show_det.php?det=9 or 
> https://www.ebay.com/p/707429259
> See also 
> https://hackaday.io/project/1940-modular-nixie-display/log/29161-ins-1
>
>
> There are a number of Soviet indicator lamps with a form factor similar to 
> the INS-1. The big difference is that they're all thyratrons. The IN-6 is 
> the most common. I haven't studied the datasheets closely but you may be 
> able to trigger them with something like 5V. 
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com/
>
> “The book said something astonishing, a very big thought.
> It said that the stars were suns, only very far away.
> The Sun was a star, but close up.”—Carl Sagan, *Cosmos*, 1980
>
>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[Mac Doktor]

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Mike Mitchell  wrote:
> 
> I've used the Russian INS-1 for a colon separator.  
> https://tubehobby.com/show_det.php?det=9 
>  or 
> https://www.ebay.com/p/707429259 
> See also 
> https://hackaday.io/project/1940-modular-nixie-display/log/29161-ins-1 
> 

There are a number of Soviet indicator lamps with a form factor similar to the 
INS-1. The big difference is that they're all thyratrons. The IN-6 is the most 
common. I haven't studied the datasheets closely but you may be able to trigger 
them with something like 5V. 


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

https://www.astarcloseup.com/

“The book said something astonishing, a very big thought.
It said that the stars were suns, only very far away.
The Sun was a star, but close up.”—Carl Sagan, Cosmos, 1980


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[neonixie-l] Re: Lens end neon bulb

[Mike Mitchell]

I've used the Russian INS-1 for a colon 
separator.  https://tubehobby.com/show_det.php?det=9 
or https://www.ebay.com/p/707429259
See 
also https://hackaday.io/project/1940-modular-nixie-display/log/29161-ins-1



On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 1:28:25 PM UTC-4 bdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a few of these neon bulbs for colon separators in Nixie clocks, but 
> am almost out and would like to find more.  I originally found them at a 
> now defunct electronics surplus store (I think).
>
> They are nice because they have a lens at the top end instead of the 
> regular glass blob.  The envelope on this version is about 4.75mm, and the 
> full length of the glass is about 16mm.  
>
> If anyone know where you can find lens end neon bulbs I would appreciate a 
> pointer.
>
> - Bill
>
>

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