[neonixie-l] Re: Ray W.
This subject pops up again and again over the years. I've observed it from afar, and I have this to say about it: I think that there are many excuses floating around for what this fellow did, and last I heard, still continues to do. It's one thing to run into hard luck. It's quite another thing though, to continue to take money from people. Then I read more excuses for what he does. Making excuses for the actions of a common thief? Granted, maybe at one time in the distant past it started out as an honest endeavor. But at the present time and for many years now it has been flat out thievery. That is what it looks like to me. Chuck Richards Original Message From: dfor...@dakotacom.net To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Ray W. Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:37:25 -0700 On 12/24/11 6:55 AM, Tidak Ada wrote: The source could easyly be found under Indonesian public officers. ... Making somebody loosing his face is one of the worsest rudenesses you can do to somebody !! eric Thank you for this explanation. It is easy to forget that there are large cultural differences between one's own country and those on the other side of the world. I too had the sense that Ray was a good man who ran into hard luck and didn't have the financial cushion in place to deal with the problem. I consider myself lucky that I've only ever had a few weeks of moderate poverty in my long life. I also have taken Ray's missteps to heart - I make sure that I have all the parts on hand before accepting people's money for a product. -- David Forbes, Tucson AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group /neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Ray W.
Many have read about Ray's misdeeds from the pages I'd published online. Some who'd posted in this thread were victims and chimed in with their feelings. And others who weren't victims did as well. There's nothing defensible in what Ray did. If he had ran a little short on cash to deliver a few kits, that might be different. Ray stole from many. It was nothing less than premeditated theft, perpetrated over a period of years against dozens of victims. He knew exactly what he was doing, with no way of rationalizing his behavior. As well as being a flaming hypocrite: Those who were here in the earlier days of the neonixie-l might remember when Ray was relying on Dan Tami to distribute the B7971 tubes to kit buyers. They got a little over their heads, with some tubes either not delivered, arrived broken, or delivered late. Ray was all over them, publicly chastising their management mistake. The following link may lead to the threads, although a quick search fielded little. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEONIXIE-L/message/17090 It goes to show you that personal integrity / self respect have no connection to a persons intelligence quotient. Ray's misdeeds had also infected the neonixie list that he initiated, showing signs of internal rot even though he was long absent from it's management. Alan was left alone to steer a boat with a damaged rudder. Fortunately this google group was started in it's ashes and has grown considerably. That's all I have to say. Regards, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Ray W.
I'm reluctant to decide to call someone a thief, because that is the job for the law courts, not anyone else. I know that in the UK 'theft' is a 5-point offence. The long and short of it is it would be nigh on impossible to prove any of the 5 points and therefore it does not appear to be a theft. Maybe the law changed, I was a police officer for a few years in my younger days and don't live in law books. I do also feel that calling someone a thief is to libel them. Counter claims will roll on and on I am curious to know though, who has tried to find Ray and begin some sort of proceedings for reparation ? Dave says he knows where Ray's bank is and if banks in the US are like the banks here they must take seriously any complaint that they might be dealing with an account which is used to fund illegal activities. If yoiu know the bank, why not just phone them and tell them, and tell the police too ? I honestly don't believe that every single so-called 'victim' has decided they will sit back and do nothing, but this is what the inference seems to be after reading the messages, unless it is the case that we aren't hearing the whole story ? Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Ray W.
I agree, he was and likely still is a kind person. I'm not going to speculate, but it is a shame, because he was very individual, creative, and he would sometimes spend hours formulating replies to some of my most naive questions. He was exacting and worked to very high standards. I doubt those aspects of his personality are any different these days. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Ray W.
Jeff Thomas is keeping a summary of this sad state of affairs: http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/badnixie.html On Dec 14, 9:43 pm, Zane Faught faug...@verizon.net wrote: Back in 2006 I ordered a Geekklok. Never received. That started a money sinkhole; some 20+ clocks later I just bought a Geekklok on ebay and that prompted the question of whether anyone has heard from Ray W in the last couple of years. Regards, Zane There is also an alternative to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
