RE: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
Get both kinds and try them. Chuck Original Message From: darin.hens...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c- a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/380-22014634172314589%40all2easy.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
That is good idea but I am actually getting a full clock kit and can only afford one. This is big investment for me and that is why I thought I would ask around. Thanks, -Darin On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:23:11 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote: Get both kinds and try them. Chuck Original Message From: darin@gmail.com javascript: To: neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send an email to neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c- a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/6dacbcc6-f5d9-4499-910a-1849fc7ca1a7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
Ooh...that'll open up some discussion. Here's my 2 cents having built clocks with both of them. The IN-18's are larger but not by too much and have more elongated numerals. They are also a little cheaper than the Z5660M as far as I can see at the moment, but still around 35 to 40 dollars a tube! The Z566/5660M are a little rarer and some would argue that the digit shape is more aesthetically pleasing. With regards to failure, I've had more issues with Z566's than IN-18's but I don't think there's any significant difference between the two. I think the datasheet for IN-18's says 5 or 10,000 hrs lifetime, but I've ran tubes for a lot longer than that without any sign of degradation (make sure the clock you use has some form of cathode poisoning prevention, digit cycling etc). Were you buying a kit to put these in or building a clock from scratch? Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Dman777 darin.hens...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRHJqjVXdCZXxC9Rt1csrE2-ORo3fRyqA4VBBv_n0CUPowA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
I was going to buy a kit for sure, I don't have the tools or room(1 room efficiency apt) to build one from scratch. I spoke to this one guy and he said that he had more failures with the IN-18 than the Z566, so that is why I asked question #3. Also, this other person told me that IN-18 have date stamps on the back of the tubes. Is this true? Seems like a good way to verify the date if I bought a IN-18. Thanks, -Darin On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:39:19 PM UTC-5, Pramanicin wrote: Ooh...that'll open up some discussion. Here's my 2 cents having built clocks with both of them. The IN-18's are larger but not by too much and have more elongated numerals. They are also a little cheaper than the Z5660M as far as I can see at the moment, but still around 35 to 40 dollars a tube! The Z566/5660M are a little rarer and some would argue that the digit shape is more aesthetically pleasing. With regards to failure, I've had more issues with Z566's than IN-18's but I don't think there's any significant difference between the two. I think the datasheet for IN-18's says 5 or 10,000 hrs lifetime, but I've ran tubes for a lot longer than that without any sign of degradation (make sure the clock you use has some form of cathode poisoning prevention, digit cycling etc). Were you buying a kit to put these in or building a clock from scratch? Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Dman777 darin@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c28a9622-53cf-4623-a91a-b56e28564d03%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
Yep, the IN-18's have date stamps. You'll probably pay a little more for those that are date coded in the late 80's early nineties...I think the 'youngest' IN-18's I've seen is 1992 and the oldest 1974. Apart from the Hg doping in the later date codes (no idea when that started), there's really no difference that I can tell...others on this list (Dieter!) will know a lot more about that... There are some good kits out there for the larger tubes. PM me if you want any recommendations. Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Dman777 darin.hens...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to buy a kit for sure, I don't have the tools or room(1 room efficiency apt) to build one from scratch. I spoke to this one guy and he said that he had more failures with the IN-18 than the Z566, so that is why I asked question #3. Also, this other person told me that IN-18 have date stamps on the back of the tubes. Is this true? Seems like a good way to verify the date if I bought a IN-18. Thanks, -Darin On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:39:19 PM UTC-5, Pramanicin wrote: Ooh...that'll open up some discussion. Here's my 2 cents having built clocks with both of them. The IN-18's are larger but not by too much and have more elongated numerals. They are also a little cheaper than the Z5660M as far as I can see at the moment, but still around 35 to 40 dollars a tube! The Z566/5660M are a little rarer and some would argue that the digit shape is more aesthetically pleasing. With regards to failure, I've had more issues with Z566's than IN-18's but I don't think there's any significant difference between the two. I think the datasheet for IN-18's says 5 or 10,000 hrs lifetime, but I've ran tubes for a lot longer than that without any sign of degradation (make sure the clock you use has some form of cathode poisoning prevention, digit cycling etc). Were you buying a kit to put these in or building a clock from scratch? Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Dman777 darin@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c28a9622-53cf-4623-a91a-b56e28564d03%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c28a9622-53cf-4623-a91a-b56e28564d03%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRHK1ZOhzY9HoyzTPawoG5WyC8NSXPE_eKdsxv%2B6t%3DH36ww%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
HI! Yes, Nick ;-) I'm already in contact with Darin. I would say: IN-18 and Z5660M are both wonderful and perfect Nixie tubes. I like the IN-18 more - these are the best ever made (in my opinion). And they nearly last forever. Yes, the older tubes before 1989 need a longer CP prevention. But they are also very very very good. I have some running for about 10 years in continuous operation, and they are still bright as at the first day. The reason is because they have sputtering windows. And the sputtering windows of the 10 year old tubes are heavily mirrored already. Unfortunately my stock of high datecode tubes runs out soon. All the best Dieter - Original Message - From: Nicholas Stock To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes Yep, the IN-18's have date stamps. You'll probably pay a little more for those that are date coded in the late 80's early nineties...I think the 'youngest' IN-18's I've seen is 1992 and the oldest 1974. Apart from the Hg doping in the later date codes (no idea when that started), there's really no difference that I can tell...others on this list (Dieter!) will know a lot more about that... There are some good kits out there for the larger tubes. PM me if you want any recommendations. Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Dman777 darin.hens...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to buy a kit for sure, I don't have the tools or room(1 room efficiency apt) to build one from scratch. I spoke to this one guy and he said that he had more failures with the IN-18 than the Z566, so that is why I asked question #3. Also, this other person told me that IN-18 have date stamps on the back of the tubes. Is this true? Seems like a good way to verify the date if I bought a IN-18. Thanks, -Darin On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:39:19 PM UTC-5, Pramanicin wrote: Ooh...that'll open up some discussion. Here's my 2 cents having built clocks with both of them. The IN-18's are larger but not by too much and have more elongated numerals. They are also a little cheaper than the Z5660M as far as I can see at the moment, but still around 35 to 40 dollars a tube! The Z566/5660M are a little rarer and some would argue that the digit shape is more aesthetically pleasing. With regards to failure, I've had more issues with Z566's than IN-18's but I don't think there's any significant difference between the two. I think the datasheet for IN-18's says 5 or 10,000 hrs lifetime, but I've ran tubes for a lot longer than that without any sign of degradation (make sure the clock you use has some form of cathode poisoning prevention, digit cycling etc). Were you buying a kit to put these in or building a clock from scratch? Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Dman777 darin@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c28a9622-53cf-4623-a91a-b56e28564d03%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRHK1ZOhzY9HoyzTPawoG5WyC8NSXPE_eKdsxv%2B6t%3DH36ww%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes
Hi Dieter, do You have more information about sputtering windows? I hear it for the first time. I know that any hole significantly bigger then anode screen holes let the sputtered particles to go through and deposit on the glass (ZM1040/42 have small window), but I dont know whether it has any real effect on lifetime of the nixie. Apart from that it allows You to estimate (roughly) its age.. Can You compare deposit of mercury doped IN-18 and non-doped IN-18 after years of usage? Thanks a lot, Dalibor 2014-06-04 22:02 GMT+02:00 Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com: HI! Yes, Nick ;-) I'm already in contact with Darin. I would say: IN-18 and Z5660M are both wonderful and perfect Nixie tubes. I like the IN-18 more - these are the best ever made (in my opinion). And they nearly last forever. Yes, the older tubes before 1989 need a longer CP prevention. But they are also very very very good. I have some running for about 10 years in continuous operation, and they are still bright as at the first day. The reason is because they have sputtering windows. And the sputtering windows of the 10 year old tubes are heavily mirrored already. Unfortunately my stock of high datecode tubes runs out soon. All the best Dieter - Original Message - From: Nicholas Stock To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 versus Z5660M Nixie Tubes Yep, the IN-18's have date stamps. You'll probably pay a little more for those that are date coded in the late 80's early nineties...I think the 'youngest' IN-18's I've seen is 1992 and the oldest 1974. Apart from the Hg doping in the later date codes (no idea when that started), there's really no difference that I can tell...others on this list (Dieter!) will know a lot more about that... There are some good kits out there for the larger tubes. PM me if you want any recommendations. Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Dman777 darin.hens...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to buy a kit for sure, I don't have the tools or room(1 room efficiency apt) to build one from scratch. I spoke to this one guy and he said that he had more failures with the IN-18 than the Z566, so that is why I asked question #3. Also, this other person told me that IN-18 have date stamps on the back of the tubes. Is this true? Seems like a good way to verify the date if I bought a IN-18. Thanks, -Darin On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:39:19 PM UTC-5, Pramanicin wrote: Ooh...that'll open up some discussion. Here's my 2 cents having built clocks with both of them. The IN-18's are larger but not by too much and have more elongated numerals. They are also a little cheaper than the Z5660M as far as I can see at the moment, but still around 35 to 40 dollars a tube! The Z566/5660M are a little rarer and some would argue that the digit shape is more aesthetically pleasing. With regards to failure, I've had more issues with Z566's than IN-18's but I don't think there's any significant difference between the two. I think the datasheet for IN-18's says 5 or 10,000 hrs lifetime, but I've ran tubes for a lot longer than that without any sign of degradation (make sure the clock you use has some form of cathode poisoning prevention, digit cycling etc). Were you buying a kit to put these in or building a clock from scratch? Nick On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Dman777 darin@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to decide between Z5660M and IN-18 tubes. I am new to all this and I was wondering if I could get some opinions, please: 1) I see by the measurements the size difference isn't very significant. Which are considered more attractive? And why? 2) Which are considered more rare/hard to find? 3) Are the Z5660M less prone to failure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neoni...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/26286a69-f422-4f4e-a91c-a7d1de6b254e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c28a9622-53cf-4623-a91a-b56e28564d03%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
