On 02/04/11 23:39, martin mitchell wrote:
presume to be april fool type joke
It's a quote from a real book (that I highly recommend people read):
http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/
referring to real legal cases from the US a hundred years ago in which
photography was argued to
OK .. just started to read it online.
m.
On 3 Apr 2011, at 14:00, Rob Myers wrote:
On 02/04/11 23:39, martin mitchell wrote:
presume to be april fool type joke
It's a quote from a real book (that I highly recommend people read):
http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/
referring
are irredeemably social in
all they do and art is no exception.
michael
--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 11
On 02/04/11 00:03, bob catchpole wrote:
On 02/04/11 0:27, Rob Myers wrote:
Yes.
Yes?... that the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert
Frank, Bill Brandt, Diane Arbus, W. Eugene Smith, Josef Koudelka, Inge
Morath, Raghu Rai, August Sander, Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson,
On 02/04/11 14:01, Rob Myers wrote:
(Documentary photography) is also, as any judge can see, simply a mechanical
reproduction of other people's property to the extent that it
competently reproduces a recognizable image of it.
So there!... Diane Arbus, Bill Brandt, August Sander, Josef
On 02/04/11 17:04, bob catchpole wrote:
On 02/04/11 14:01, Rob Myers wrote:
(Documentary photography) is also, as any judge can see, simply a
mechanical
reproduction of other people's property to the extent that it
competently reproduces a recognizable image of it.
So there!... Diane Arbus,
presume to be april fool type joke
m.
On 1 Apr 2011, at 23:27, Rob Myers wrote:
On 01/04/11 21:51, bob catchpole wrote:
Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Yes.
[...]early in the history of photography, there was a series of
judicial decisions that could well have
Really good. Do read:
Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE
by Joy Garnett
http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/garnett/cariou-v-prince-the-copyright-bungle-3-31-11.asp
As is well-known, the artist Richard Prince has lost his copyright
infringement suit to the photographer Patrick Cariou
I guess I would be more sympathetic if he didn't do a line for Louis Vuitton
based on a fake book project. Is he now going to do a line of guitars? Or
cameras?
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On 01/04/11 16:53, Catherine Daly wrote:
I guess I would be more sympathetic if he didn't do a line for Louis
Vuitton based on a fake book project. Is he now going to do a line of
guitars? Or cameras?
But this, as the article points out, is the problem. People are treating
this as a gossipy
It is actually pretty consistent with recent decisions in music and
literature re: copyright.
Plus, he's appropriated 40 entire images and superimposed on them. He
hasn't altered the base image of the one picture I saw.
Here's something from a lawyer blog:
To evaluate fair use of copyrighted
On 01/04/11 18:05, Rob Myers wrote:
what is actually happening is that an artist is being told to
destroy their work by a judge who doesn't understand copyright.
And you do?
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On 01/04/11 17:55, bob catchpole wrote:
On 01/04/11 18:05, Rob Myers wrote:
what is actually happening is that an artist is being told to
destroy their work by a judge who doesn't understand copyright.
And you do?
Yes, thanks. I also understand the history and philosophy of art better
than
On 01/04/11 17:29, Catherine Daly wrote:
It is actually pretty consistent with recent decisions in music and
literature re: copyright.
It may or may not be consistent with recent bad decisions in literature
and music that have misguidedly reduced the scope of free expression in
the name of
But as artists what should concern us is that it is a decision
regarding art that significantly reduces what it is possible to do in
art.
I totally agree Rob, this is important - copyright law should not stop
artists from being free to transform source material into something
original and new.
money seems the issue. and a call for respect.
regardless of how much a piece is altered
it's existence is impossible without the original.
to profit off the back of another artist is disgusting.
fight for rights, but forget not morals.
and either way
no law will stop a real artist from
On 04/01/2011 07:21 PM, brian gibson wrote:
money seems the issue. and a call for respect.
regardless of how much a piece is altered
Theoriginal is a pastiche of documentary styles produced without
compensating its models.
If documentary photography had the same standards applied to it that
Theoriginal is a pastiche of documentary styles produced without
compensating its models.
this is the nature of all! surely you understand the difference between
inspiration and blatant theft?
the line may be blurry, but to pretend there is no line at all...
to profit off the back of another
On 01/04/11 20:11, brian gibson wrote:
Theoriginal is a pastiche of documentary styles produced without
compensating its models.
this is the nature of all! surely you understand the difference between
inspiration and blatant theft?
If you copy an image, the original is still there. It is
On 01/04/11 21:46, Rob Myers wrote:
Documentary photography is simple uncompensated theft of an image, and
yet in this case we are being asked to privilege that over the creation
of a unique original artwork.
So the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank, Bill Brandt,
Diane
On 01/04/11 21:43, brian gibson wrote:
i agree with most all you say here.
Art must be free to refer to and represent the forms of wider society if
it is to have the value that copyright is meant to protect.
art must be free. especially.
but if you take a drum hook from clyde stubblefield
On 01/04/11 21:51, bob catchpole wrote:
Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Yes.
[...]early in the history of photography, there was a series of
judicial decisions that could well have changed the course of
photography substantially. Courts were asked whether the photographer,
On 02/04/11 0:27, Rob Myers wrote:
Yes.
Yes?... that the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank,
Bill
Brandt, Diane Arbus, W. Eugene Smith, Josef Koudelka, Inge Morath, Raghu Rai,
August Sander, Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Walker Evans, Eve
Arnold,
Ernest Cole,
r...@robmyers.org
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 11:27 PM
On 01/04/11 21:51, bob catchpole
wrote:
Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Yes.
[...]early
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