Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-15 Thread ruth catlow
Hello We (Marc, I and the Furtherfield crew) are in a process of major organisational review at the moment. We are reworking out how to value what we all do by trying out new lenses, tools and strategies in response to inevitable changes to our environment (political, social physical,

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-13 Thread Alan Sondheim
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Patrick Lichty wrote: However, I think that the world is entering a very tense, even dark time, and in an Adorno-esque way, perhaps it is good to consider what being committed as artists means again. It means at the least, not being committed, which in Trump's

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-13 Thread Patrick Lichty
I think we are in a very difficult time for artists. On one hand, we are in a point where work that at least derives from our culture is having some success in the Contemporary milieu, and I can't fault people wanting to look at conventional forms of success, although I am wondering whether

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-13 Thread Gretta Louw
Hi Alan, I think you’re misunderstanding me and getting bogged down in semantics. I do think that there are lots of people making really excellent art that is relevant to the world as it is today, I never suggested that that wasn’t the case. It’s great that you’ve found some of those people in

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-13 Thread Alan Sondheim
Hi Gretta, We're a bit in disagreement here, not too much. When you say "I am saying, we should urge ourselves to look outside of the art worlds, look at our context, our neighbours, our community, society, world, and try to make work that engages with that in the most meaningful ways we

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-13 Thread Gretta Louw
Haha, Alan there is no imperative in what I said, there is a plea, a hope, a wish. The imperative comes from outside and above - the imperative to “make a living”, the imperative to pay taxes, the imperative to write reports with quantitative analysis of why funding you received was well spent

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-12 Thread Patrick Lichty
I'm sorry I have not been more active. Zayed University has had me running hard as I try to build a VR lab and work on a new gallery progresses. From what I gather from the conversation, there seems to be a bit of despair over the role of networked art in the cultural noosphere. In some

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-12 Thread Rob Myers
On 12/12/16 01:24 AM, Annie Abrahams wrote: let's continue the spirit + a Google. Err googol. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-12 Thread Alan Sondheim
Is there a mainstream art world? "The mainstream art world waited to utter the term "Internet art" until they could safely add the prefix "post-" to it" Jon Ippolito I think these reifications might be too simple, as are internet art, net art, post digital, digital, and so forth. I'm not

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-12 Thread helen varley jamieson
+1 :) On 12/12/16 11:51 42AM, Gretta Louw wrote: > I like that quote, Marc, and I think you’re right about a lot of those > points. The only thing I would point out is that for me Net Art and > Post-Internet Art have almost nothing to do with one another. They are > as similar as Body

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-12 Thread Gretta Louw
I like that quote, Marc, and I think you’re right about a lot of those points. The only thing I would point out is that for me Net Art and Post-Internet Art have almost nothing to do with one another. They are as similar as Body Art/Performance Art and an oil painting of a nude. But I do think

Re: [NetBehaviour] I saw this from Annie. It made me sad...and curious

2016-12-12 Thread Annie Abrahams
yes Gretta, that's it when reading Ruth's reaction I immediately became aware that my phrase wasn't ok. of course we can continue the spirit, there is no impossibility. I wanted to point to http://networkcultures.org/moneylab/2016/12/06/role-play-your-way-to-budgetary-blockchain-bliss/ where you