Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas

2017-10-18 Thread marc.garrett 
Hi Gretta,

I scrolled the page & just saw that it was mainly men, perhaps it's synonymous 
with aspects of Modernism ;-)

wishing you well.

marc

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> Local Time: 16 October 2017 2:11 PM
> UTC Time: 16 October 2017 13:11
> From: sondh...@panix.com
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
> 
>
> Body Art was both male and female, Gina Pane, Collette, Marina Abramovich,
> etc. but also Vito Acconci, Dennis Oppenheim, Genesis P. Orridge, but also
> Hannah Wilke, etc. A pretty mixed group. Most of the hard-core
> conceptualists were male, but there are also Adrian Piper, the Guerilla
> Girls, Alice Aycock and Nancy Wilson Kitchel, Martha Wilson, etc., who
> spanned conceptualism and physical/person production as well.
>
> - Alan
>
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:
>
>> It?s interesting to me that artists working with immaterial / non-existent
>> artworks in the past are so overwhelmingly male, but I don?t know yet what it
>> means?http://www.modernedition.com/art-articles/absence-in-art/the-invisible-artw
>> ork.html Something perhaps about the other side of the body art coin
>> perhaps?
>>
>> On 15. Oct 2017, at 17:15, ruth catlow
>>    wrote:
>>
>> I'd be up for thinking this one through.
>> Let's do it.
>> On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote:
>> Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the
>> first one hadn't worked.
>>
>> On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote:
>>   Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create
>>   a conceptual work of art that didn't actually exist
>>   at all - we could use some ideas from Curt
>>   Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it -
>>   and market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds
>>   to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a
>>   trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut.
>>
>>   Edward
>>
>>   On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>>   On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow
>>   wrote:
>>   Perfectly put Helen!
>>
>> Art reframed as a new asset class for
>> fractional ownership ain't my idea of utopia.
>> """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down
>> again. This, she supposed, was the aspect of art
>> that she had the most difficulty understanding.
>> Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking
>> with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of
>> a certain number of "points" of the work of a
>> particular artist. A "point" might be defined in any
>> number of ways, depending on the medium involved,
>> but it was almost certain that Picard would never
>> see the works he was purchasing. If the artist
>> enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very
>> likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw
>> them at all. Days or years later, Picard might pick
>> up that same phone and order the broker to sell. """
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas

2017-10-18 Thread Gretta Louw 
Had another frustrating (yet, fundamentally unsurprising) incident since I sent 
that email in which a museum director matter-of-factly told me that all of the 
greatest artists in history were men and after I strenuously argued against 
that, we continued discussing the work we were cooperating on… well let’s just 
say that in the end, a few days later, the museum decided that they didn’t have 
the budget after all to acquire the piece of mine that they’d been interested 
in. I wonder what changed?? ;)




> On 18. Oct 2017, at 10:40, marc.garrett  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gretta,
> 
> I scrolled the page & just saw that it was mainly men, perhaps it's 
> synonymous with aspects of Modernism ;-)
> 
> wishing you well.
> 
> marc
> 
> Marc Garrett
> 
> Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield.
> Art, technology and social change, since 1996
> http://www.furtherfield.org 
> 
> Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park
> Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ
> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
>  
> Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London
> https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett
>  
> Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain
> Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner
> Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK 
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>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas
>> Local Time: 16 October 2017 2:11 PM
>> UTC Time: 16 October 2017 13:11
>> From: sondh...@panix.com
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Body Art was both male and female, Gina Pane, Collette, Marina Abramovich,
>> etc. but also Vito Acconci, Dennis Oppenheim, Genesis P. Orridge, but also
>> Hannah Wilke, etc. A pretty mixed group. Most of the hard-core
>> conceptualists were male, but there are also Adrian Piper, the Guerilla
>> Girls, Alice Aycock and Nancy Wilson Kitchel, Martha Wilson, etc., who
>> spanned conceptualism and physical/person production as well.
>> Alan
>> 
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:
>> It?s interesting to me that artists working with immaterial / non-existent
>> artworks in the past are so overwhelmingly male, but I don?t know yet what it
>> means?http://www.modernedition.com/art-articles/absence-in-art/the-invisible-artw
>>  
>> 
>> ork.html Something perhaps about the other side of the body art coin
>> perhaps?
>>   On 15. Oct 2017, at 17:15, ruth catlow
>>    wrote:
>> 
>> I'd be up for thinking this one through.
>> Let's do it.
>> On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote:
>> Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the
>> first one hadn't worked.
>>   On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote:
>>   Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create
>>   a conceptual work of art that didn't actually exist
>>   at all - we could use some ideas from Curt
>>   Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it -
>>   and market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds
>>   to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a
>>   trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut.
>> 
>>   Edward
>> 
>>   On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>>   On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow
>>   wrote:
>>   Perfectly put Helen!
>> 
>> Art reframed as a new asset class for
>> fractional ownership ain't my idea of utopia.
>> """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down
>> again. This, she supposed, was the aspect of art
>> that she had the most difficulty understanding.
>> Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking
>> with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of
>> a certain number of "points" of the work of a
>> particular artist. A "point" might be defined in any
>> number of ways, depending on the medium involved,
>> but it was almost certain that Picard would never
>> see the works he was purchasing. If the artist
>> enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very
>> likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw
>> them at all. Days or years later, Picard might pick
>> up that same phone and order the broker to sell. """
>> William Gibson, "Count Zero", 1986.
>> 
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>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour 
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[NetBehaviour] Senior Management - an Inspirational Guide' by Karen Blissett

2017-10-18 Thread marc.garrett 
Oh my...

[Screenshot from 2017-10-18 09-48-36.png]

I just revisted the 'Senior Management - an Inspirational Guide' by Karen 
Blissett. (Bastard daughter of Karen Eliot and Luther Blissett ) It reflects 
how empty and crap our world is at the moment, when it run by neoliberal idiots.

On Youtube - http://bit.ly/2x3CY0x

Marc Garrett

Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield.
Art, technology and social change, since 1996
http://www.furtherfield.org

Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park
Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQhttp://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London
https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett
Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain
Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner
Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK

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[NetBehaviour] murnau

2017-10-18 Thread Alan Sondheim 


murnau

mourning for the lost bodies, lost americas

http://www.alansondheim.org/murn1.jpg
http://www.alansondheim.org/murn.mp3 Jordanian rababa
http://www.alansondheim.org/murn2.jpg

nothing is suitable
nothing is ever suitable
the etiquette of violence is the violence of etiquette
the violence of etiquette is the violence of etiquette

mr. trump is a war criminal. treat him accordingly

+++

In July 2015 Murnau's grave was broken into, the remains
disturbed and the skull removed by persons unknown.[15] Wax
residue was reportedly found at the site, leading some to
speculate that candles had been lit, perhaps with an occult or
ceremonial significance. As this disturbance was not an isolated
incident, the cemetery managers are considering sealing the
grave. (Wikipedia)

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[NetBehaviour] from today's Washington Post

2017-10-18 Thread Alan Sondheim 


The fascist creep in action:

Alan Sondheim Attorney General Jeff Sessions said on Wednesday that he 
reserves the right to jail journalists, if we have to.


Here's his exchange with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) during a Senate 
Judiciary Committee hearing:


KLOBUCHAR: Will you commit to not putting reporters in jail for doing 
their jobs?


SESSIONS: Well, I don't know that I can make a blanket commitment to that 
effect. But I would say this: We have not taken any aggressive action 
against the media at this point. But we have matters that involve the most 
serious national security issues, that put our country at risk, and we 
will utilize the authorities that we have, legally and constitutionally, 
if we have to.


Maybe we  we always try to find an alternative way, as you probably know, 
Sen. Klobuchar, to directly confronting a media person. But that's not a 
total, blanket protection.


There is a lot of missing context here that Sessions would have been wise 
to include, if he were interested in avoiding panic.


Sessions appeared to be reiterating a warning he issued in August, when he 
said that as part of the Justice Department's effort to prosecute 
government workers who make illegal disclosures of classified information, 
one of the things we are doing is reviewing policies affecting media 
subpoenas.



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Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas

2017-10-18 Thread Rob Myers 
On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, at 03:52 AM, Gretta Louw wrote:
> Had another frustrating (yet, fundamentally unsurprising) incident
> since I sent that email in which a museum director matter-of-factly
> told me that all of the greatest artists in history were men
Gn.

> and after I strenuously argued against that, we continued discussing
> the work we were cooperating on… well let’s just say that in the end,
> a few days later, the museum decided that they didn’t have the budget
> after all to acquire the piece of mine that they’d been interested in.
> I wonder what changed?? ;)
No machine learning algorithm could possibly find a correlation... ;-)

- Rob.



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Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas

2017-10-18 Thread Alan Sondheim 



It's the men who have traditionally gotten the most attention, but there 
have always been many brilliant women; when I did Individuals in 1974 for 
Dutton, the ratio was pretty much even, and when I curated later at Nexus 
in Atlanta, it was the same. This is an issue and prejudice on the part of 
cultural sexism, not on the part of the great number of amazing woman 
artists I've known. The museum director is obviously way out of line here 
and I wonder if he thinks all the men he loves are white.


Alan

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:


Had another frustrating (yet, fundamentally unsurprising) incident since I
sent that email in which a museum director matter-of-factly told me that all
of the greatest artists in history were men and after I strenuously argued
against that, we continued discussing the work we were cooperating on? well
let?s just say that in the end, a few days later, the museum decided that they
didn?t have the budget after all to acquire the piece of mine that they?d been
interested in. I wonder what changed?? ;)




  On 18. Oct 2017, at 10:40, marc.garrett
   wrote:

Hi Gretta,

I scrolled the page & just saw that it was mainly men, perhaps it's
synonymous with aspects of Modernism ;-)

wishing you well.

marc

Marc Garrett

Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield.
Art, technology and social change, since 1996
http://www.furtherfield.org

Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park
Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ
http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London
https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett
Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain
Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner
Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK

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   Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas
Local Time: 16 October 2017 2:11 PM
UTC Time: 16 October 2017 13:11
From: sondh...@panix.com
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity



Body Art was both male and female, Gina Pane, Collette, Marina
Abramovich,
etc. but also Vito Acconci, Dennis Oppenheim, Genesis P.
Orridge, but also
Hannah Wilke, etc. A pretty mixed group. Most of the hard-core
conceptualists were male, but there are also Adrian Piper, the
Guerilla
Girls, Alice Aycock and Nancy Wilson Kitchel, Martha Wilson,
etc., who
spanned conceptualism and physical/person production as well.
 *  Alan

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:
  It?s interesting to me that artists working with
  immaterial / non-existent
artworks in the past are so overwhelmingly male, but I
don?t know yet what it
means?http://www.modernedition.com/art-articles/absence-in-art/the-invisibl
e-artw
ork.html Something perhaps about the other side of the
body art coin
perhaps?

  On 15. Oct 2017, at 17:15, ruth catlow
   wrote:
I'd be up for thinking this one through.
Let's do it.
On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote:
Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the
first one hadn't worked.

  On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote:
  Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create
  a conceptual work of art that didn't actually exist
  at all - we could use some ideas from Curt
  Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it -
  and market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds
  to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a
  trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut.

  Edward

  On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
  On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow
  wrote:
  Perfectly put Helen!
Art reframed as a new asset class for
fractional ownership ain't my idea of utopia.
"""Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down
again. This, she supposed, was the aspect of art
that she had the most difficulty understanding.
Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking
with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of
a certain number of "points" of the work of a
particular artist. A "point" might be defined in any
number of ways, depending on the medium involved,
but it was almost certain that Picard would never
see the works he was purchasing. If the artist
enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very
likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw
them at all. Days or years later, Picard might pick
up that same phone and order the broker to sell. """
 *  William Gibson, "Count Zero", 1986.



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Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas

2017-10-18 Thread helen varley jamieson 
good on you gretta, for not letting him get away with it (or at least,
not without discussion ...). this kind of casual sexism really needs to
be challenged, as in many ways it's even more insidious than the
outright variety which is easier to call out. it reinforces women's
invisibility & the idea that this state of affairs is somehow natural.

who was the museum director and which museum? so at least those of us on
this list can know who to avoid.

(maybe we need a #metoo campaign for experiencing this kind of put-down
in the arts ... )

h : )


On 18.10.2017 17:52, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
>
> It's the men who have traditionally gotten the most attention, but
> there have always been many brilliant women; when I did Individuals in
> 1974 for Dutton, the ratio was pretty much even, and when I curated
> later at Nexus in Atlanta, it was the same. This is an issue and
> prejudice on the part of cultural sexism, not on the part of the great
> number of amazing woman artists I've known. The museum director is
> obviously way out of line here and I wonder if he thinks all the men
> he loves are white.
>
> Alan
>
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:
>
>> Had another frustrating (yet, fundamentally unsurprising) incident
>> since I
>> sent that email in which a museum director matter-of-factly told me
>> that all
>> of the greatest artists in history were men and after I strenuously
>> argued
>> against that, we continued discussing the work we were cooperating
>> on? well
>> let?s just say that in the end, a few days later, the museum decided
>> that they
>> didn?t have the budget after all to acquire the piece of mine that
>> they?d been
>> interested in. I wonder what changed?? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   On 18. Oct 2017, at 10:40, marc.garrett
>>    wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gretta,
>>
>> I scrolled the page & just saw that it was mainly men, perhaps it's
>> synonymous with aspects of Modernism ;-)
>>
>> wishing you well.
>>
>> marc
>>
>> Marc Garrett
>>
>> Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield.
>> Art, technology and social change, since 1996
>> http://www.furtherfield.org
>>
>> Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park
>> Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ
>> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
>> Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London
>> https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett
>> Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain
>> Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner
>> Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>
>>    Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas
>> Local Time: 16 October 2017 2:11 PM
>> UTC Time: 16 October 2017 13:11
>> From: sondh...@panix.com
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> 
>>
>>
>> Body Art was both male and female, Gina Pane, Collette, Marina
>> Abramovich,
>> etc. but also Vito Acconci, Dennis Oppenheim, Genesis P.
>> Orridge, but also
>> Hannah Wilke, etc. A pretty mixed group. Most of the hard-core
>> conceptualists were male, but there are also Adrian Piper, the
>> Guerilla
>> Girls, Alice Aycock and Nancy Wilson Kitchel, Martha Wilson,
>> etc., who
>> spanned conceptualism and physical/person production as well.
>>  *  Alan
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:
>>   It?s interesting to me that artists working with
>>   immaterial / non-existent
>> artworks in the past are so overwhelmingly male, but I
>> don?t know yet what it
>> means?http://www.modernedition.com/art-articles/absence-in-art/the-invisibl
>>
>> e-artw
>> ork.html Something perhaps about the other side of the
>> body art coin
>> perhaps?
>>
>>   On 15. Oct 2017, at 17:15, ruth catlow
>>    wrote:
>> I'd be up for thinking this one through.
>> Let's do it.
>> On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote:
>> Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the
>> first one hadn't worked.
>>
>>   On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote:
>>   Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create
>>   a conceptual work of art that didn't actually exist
>>   at all - we could use some ideas from Curt
>>   Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it -
>>   and market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds
>>   to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a
>>   trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut.
>>
>>   Edward
>>
>>   On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>>   On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow
>>   wrote:
>>   Perfectly put Helen!
>> Art reframed as a new asset class for
>> fractional ownership ain't my idea of utopia.
>> """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down
>> again. This, she supposed, was the aspect of art
>> that she had the most difficulty understanding.
>> Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking
>> with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of
>> a certain number of "points" of the work of a
>> particular