Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Kent Watsen
> rather confusing, since this notation is not defined anywhere. A bit, yes. I tried to get the syntax defined in RD, but my co-authors didn't think it was necessary. I acquiesced as well just to move things along. > If the term 'state' added any value, we would use it more often, but I

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > >> I know that we tend to be sloppy in meetings and often in emails but > >> in written RFCs (specifications) I would personally prefer to use a > >> single term. > > > > So change it in the RD draft to the term we

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Kent Watsen
>> I know that we tend to be sloppy in meetings and often in emails but >> in written RFCs (specifications) I would personally prefer to use a >> single term. > > So change it in the RD draft to the term we actually use "operational > datastore". A lot of effort went into defining the terms.

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 09:24:17AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > Except that we never use that term. > > It is always called operational datastore when we talk about it in > meetings. > >

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 09:24:17AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > Except that we never use that term. > It is always called operational datastore when we talk about it in meetings. > Hence, the new NMDA terms section: > > ** NMDA Terms > > The following terms are defined in the > Network

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Lou Berger
Lada, On 8/28/2017 10:16 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Lou Berger píše v Po 28. 08. 2017 v 09:40 -0400: >> Lada, >> >> On 8/28/2017 9:30 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Can you please take a look at it and see if we have any other disconnects? >>> This is really scary. >> I agree! >> >>> How can

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Lou Berger
Thanks! On 8/28/2017 2:54 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Lou Berger > wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > On 8/28/2017 12:24 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > 4.23.1.  Combining Operational State and Configuration Data >

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi Andy, > > > On 8/28/2017 12:24 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > 4.23.1. Combining Operational State and Configuration Data > > > > > >If possible, operational state SHOULD be combined with its > associated > > >

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Lou Berger
Hi Andy, On 8/28/2017 12:24 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > 4.23.1.  Combining Operational State and Configuration Data > > > >    If possible, operational state SHOULD be combined with its associated > >    configuration data.  This prevents duplication of key leafs and > >    ancestor nodes.  It

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 06:08:28PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Here is the proposed rewrite of 4.23. > > I changed a few details in the temporary non-NMDA procedure. > > This

Re: [netmod] Potential additions to rfc6087bis: RegEx guidelines

2017-08-28 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:58:59PM +, Xufeng Liu wrote: > > [Xufeng] [0..9] is still compliant with the XSD pattern specified by > YANG 1.0 and 1.1. Using [0..9] instead of [\d] will make the > implementations with native POSIX RegEx easier without the need for > a tool to inspect every

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Lou Berger
Lada, On 8/28/2017 9:30 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Can you please take a look at it and see if we have any other disconnects? > This is really scary. I agree! > How can we expect poor data modellers to understand the > concept if we have such fundamental disconnects, after so many hours of >

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Lou Berger píše v Po 28. 08. 2017 v 08:54 -0400: > > On 8/28/2017 7:35 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Lou Berger wrote: > > > Martin, > > > See below. > > > > > > On 08/28/2017 06:28 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > Lou Berger wrote: > > > > > Martin,

Re: [netmod] Potential additions to rfc6087bis: RegEx guidelines

2017-08-28 Thread Xufeng Liu
> -Original Message- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 8:53 AM > To: Xufeng Liu > Cc: Per Hedeland ; Ladislav Lhotka ; > 'netmod@ietf.org' >

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Lou Berger
On 8/28/2017 7:35 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Lou Berger wrote: >> Martin, >> See below. >> >> On 08/28/2017 06:28 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >>> Lou Berger wrote: Martin, See below On August 23, 2017 2:28:37 AM Martin

[netmod] YumaPro SDK 17.10-B3 and yanglint 0.13.49 upgraded on claise.be

2017-08-28 Thread Benoit Claise
Dear all, With these two upgrades, we received way more warnings. Most comes from yanglint, to be candid. Please check your YANG modules at http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html About 50 YANG modules PASSED previously and now report PASSED WITH WARNINGS. It's great that

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13 - section 4.26.2

2017-08-28 Thread Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
-Original Message- From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:m...@tail-f.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:12 PM To: Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13 - section 4.26.2 Hi, "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia -

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Lou Berger wrote: > Martin, > See below. > > On 08/28/2017 06:28 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Lou Berger wrote: > >> Martin, > >> See below > >> > >> > >> On August 23, 2017 2:28:37 AM Martin Bjorklund wrote: > >> > >>> Lou Berger

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, See below. On 08/28/2017 06:28 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Lou Berger wrote: >> Martin, >> See below >> >> >> On August 23, 2017 2:28:37 AM Martin Bjorklund wrote: >> >>> Lou Berger wrote: Hi Martin, See

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13 - section 4.26.2

2017-08-28 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" wrote: > I would like to understand why the YANG 1.1 feature logic is *much more > expensive* than YANG 1.0. The document says "much more _expressive_". > As far as I can see the way YANG features are > being defined has not

Re: [netmod] schema mount open issue #1

2017-08-28 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Lou Berger wrote: > Martin, > See below > > > On August 23, 2017 2:28:37 AM Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > Lou Berger wrote: > >> Hi Martin, > >> > >> See below. > >> > >> > >> On 8/22/2017 6:20 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> >

Re: [netmod] rfc6087bis S4.23 replacement text

2017-08-28 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 06:08:28PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > Here is the proposed rewrite of 4.23. > I changed a few details in the temporary non-NMDA procedure. > This module cannot duplicate the NMDA module as read-only. > Only the top-level config=false nodes that would have been

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-04

2017-08-28 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, Lou Berger wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm