Re: [netmod] [Trustees] draft-moriarty-yangsecuritytext vs errata

2023-04-05 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Jürgen, I think we both agree with the proposal to immediately proceed with an erratum and handle the bis separately. I'm more optimist here if we agree on the scope I proposed below (existing errata, no changes to the existing guidelines, add guidelines for writing IANA-maintained module

Re: [netmod] [Trustees] draft-moriarty-yangsecuritytext vs errata

2023-04-05 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
I am a pessimist when it comes to IETF time plans and the ability to limit discussions to certain issues once a document goes through a working group process. I also recall surprises during the final stages of the IESG review, some wonderful issues came up on things we did not intent to touch in th

Re: [netmod] Comments on draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-06

2023-04-05 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Rob, My prior response to you focused on what the draft specifies (not the liaison), since you wrote: "Fundamentally, I generally interpret this draft as saying: NETCONF/YANG doesn't really match the existing management model/API in 3GPP and hence we want to make non-backwards compatible c

Re: [netmod] [Trustees] draft-moriarty-yangsecuritytext vs errata

2023-04-05 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
Trying to catch up on the thread (and possibly I failed...). A -bis *obsoleting* a previous version is probably easier for outsiders. More pain for us at the IETF, but the end goal is better for SDO/organizations outside of the IETF. (not to mention the trust issue). Having written the above, I

Re: [netmod] [Trustees] draft-moriarty-yangsecuritytext vs errata

2023-04-05 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Rob, all, I also think an errata is pragmatic here. On the bis, I think that this can be handled separately. If we scope the bis to be ** limited to very few items ** to cover areas where we don’t have guidelines (e.g., add “Guidelines for IANA-Maintained Modules”), and in addition to the f

Re: [netmod] [Trustees] draft-moriarty-yangsecuritytext vs errata

2023-04-05 Thread Paul Wouters
> On Apr 5, 2023, at 08:17, Rob Wilton (rwilton) > wrote: > >  > Hi Kathleen, > > The short answer to your question is maybe. I do hope we will do something as I agree with your problem statement and would like to see a fix. Perhaps a topic for the retreat. > The longer answer is my ema

Re: [netmod] [Trustees] draft-moriarty-yangsecuritytext vs errata

2023-04-05 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Kathleen, The short answer to your question is maybe. The longer answer is my email reply to Stephan and Joel below. But if you are also okay, or at least don’t object, to the errata path, then I will kick off a proposed errata so that it can reviewed/discussed. Regards, Rob From: Kathle

Re: [netmod] Comments on draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-06

2023-04-05 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Kent, Some of my concern stems from the fact that during the NMDA architecture discussions there was a strong desire to make the configuration data stored in to be owned by the client. I.e., the server has the right to accept or reject a particular configuration but ultimately it is the cl