Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-27 Thread Lou Berger
On 08/26/2015 03:48 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net mailto:lber...@labn.net wrote: Tom, On 8/26/2015 9:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: ... This is exactly what I want to get on the table. So taking a

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Lou Berger
Tom, On 8/26/2015 9:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: ... This is exactly what I want to get on the table. So taking a step back, perhaps there is a YANG language question at the heart of this discussion. I think we're seeing cases where the same data model is useful in multiple

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: Tom, On 8/26/2015 9:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: ... This is exactly what I want to get on the table. So taking a step back, perhaps there is a YANG language question at the heart of this discussion. I think

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, On 8/26/2015 6:41 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: Martin, Sorry for the delayed response, was away for a bit. Not sure if any of this is OBE as just starting to catch up on mail. On 08/20/2015 03:58 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:41:26AM +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models (including vendor

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models (including vendor models!) will be based on something more technical than the fact that a

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:5:51 AM, at 5:51 AM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: On August 26, 2015 2:42:26 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:6:26 AM, at 6:26 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: [Speaking for myself] Is the resistance to this proposal because of the actual changes to structure, or is it a resistance to churn/change? The former. IMO this is technically not a good proposal, as I have tried to explain

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Lou Berger
On August 26, 2015 6:24:19 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:41:26AM +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:9:09 AM, at 9:09 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/26/15, 8:09 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 26, 2015:6:26 AM, at 6:26 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Acee Lindem

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 26, 2015:9:09 AM, at 9:09 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/26/15, 8:09 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 26,

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:10:51 AM, at 10:51 AM, Kent Watsen kwat...@juniper.net wrote: Another approach is to not rely so heavily on one giant uber-tree that MUST be correct on the first try and never change. I agree that an uber tree stands to make things worse. This seems to

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-20 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 19, 2015:10:31 PM, at 10:31 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: On 08/19/2015 08:48 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: On Aug 18, 2015:9:38 PM, at 9:38 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: [Adding authors and RTG WG.] Hi Andy, I'm not sure who you are looking to hear from as you

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-19 Thread Lou Berger
On 08/19/2015 08:48 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: On Aug 18, 2015:9:38 PM, at 9:38 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: [Adding authors and RTG WG.] Hi Andy, I'm not sure who you are looking to hear from as you addressed this mail to the netmod list. I'm happy to give my opinion as it

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-19 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: On 8/18/2015 8:01 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: Q1) scope sec 2: The model organization can itself be thought of as a meta-model, in that it describes the relationships between individual models. We choose to represent it also as simple

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-18 Thread Lou Berger
[Adding authors and RTG WG.] Hi Andy, I'm not sure who you are looking to hear from as you addressed this mail to the netmod list. I'm happy to give my opinion as it seems you might have been aiming this at the draft authors. (but then again perhaps not.) On 8/18/2015 8:01 PM, Andy Bierman