Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Lou Berger
Tom, On 8/26/2015 9:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: ... This is exactly what I want to get on the table. So taking a step back, perhaps there is a YANG language question at the heart of this discussion. I think we're seeing cases where the same data model is useful in multiple

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: Tom, On 8/26/2015 9:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas wrote: ... This is exactly what I want to get on the table. So taking a step back, perhaps there is a YANG language question at the heart of this discussion. I think

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Lou Berger
Martin, On 8/26/2015 6:41 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: Martin, Sorry for the delayed response, was away for a bit. Not sure if any of this is OBE as just starting to catch up on mail. On 08/20/2015 03:58 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Lou Berger

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:41 AM, t.petch ie...@btconnect.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de To: t. petch ie...@btconnect.com Cc: rwil...@cisco.com; Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com; netmod@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, August

Re: [netmod] LL review of 6020bis-06

2015-08-26 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com writes: ... 3. It's necessary to clearly separate properties of the data tree from properties of XML encoding. For instance, it is an inherent property of a container instance in the data

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:41:26AM +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models (including vendor

Re: [netmod] Y26 again, sorry

2015-08-26 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Hi, I changed the DNS zone data model to use this pattern - it looks good and works great: - module: https://gitlab.labs.nic.cz/llhotka/zone-data-yang/blob/master/dns-zones.yang - tree: https://gitlab.labs.nic.cz/llhotka/zone-data-yang/raw/master/model.tree Lada Martin Bjorklund

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models (including vendor models!) will be based on something more technical than the fact that a

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:5:51 AM, at 5:51 AM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: On August 26, 2015 2:42:26 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:6:26 AM, at 6:26 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Hopefully, a

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: [Speaking for myself] Is the resistance to this proposal because of the actual changes to structure, or is it a resistance to churn/change? The former. IMO this is technically not a good proposal, as I have tried to explain

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Lou Berger
On August 26, 2015 6:24:19 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:41:26AM +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: On 8/26/15, 2:40 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM

Re: [netmod] LL review of 6020bis-06

2015-08-26 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com writes: ... 3. It's necessary to clearly separate properties of the data tree from properties of XML encoding. For instance, it is an inherent property of a container instance in the data tree that its children are unordered,

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:9:09 AM, at 9:09 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/26/15, 8:09 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 26, 2015:6:26 AM, at 6:26 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Acee Lindem

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 26, 2015:9:09 AM, at 9:09 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/26/15, 8:09 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 26,

Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

2015-08-26 Thread Nadeau Thomas
On Aug 26, 2015:10:51 AM, at 10:51 AM, Kent Watsen kwat...@juniper.net wrote: Another approach is to not rely so heavily on one giant uber-tree that MUST be correct on the first try and never change. I agree that an uber tree stands to make things worse. This seems to