Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Jeff Tantsura
+1 Dean. I’m having this discussion on daily bases... I do care about sustainability and long term growth though Regards, Jeff > On Jan 26, 2018, at 07:30, Dean Bogdanovic wrote: > > I will ask a different question > > How many people have implemented the draft? And are

Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
Chris, nobody (I think) is having an issue with the lne and ni models. And it is great to hear that you have implemented them. However, please also understand that schema mount is a rather fundamental extension of the YANG technology and that people maintaining that technology and writing generic

Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Christian Hopps
Hi Juergen, I want to be understood so I'll reply again. It's not that I don't want to involve myself in technical discussions, it's that I (and others) think that what's being discussed now no longer matters to getting work done. The work is good enough *now*. When we get to this point it

Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Dean Bogdanovic
I will ask a different question How many people have implemented the draft? And are they talking from experience implementing the model? I have implemented LNE and NI and to be honest, when customers ask about IETF compatibility, i reference a draft and tell them it will take long time until

Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
OK, I accept that you do not care. Please also accept that others do care. And these people believe YANG library bis is needed. Since you do not want to read emails and involve yourself in discussions of technical details, I assume this is where our conversation stops. I tought you wanted to

Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 09:18:55AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > > Now it seems we are supposed to wait a bunch longer on yet other works > in progress for as near as I can tell (could be wrong here as I just > don't have time to read the very long email threads that netmod > generates)

Re: [netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread David Bannister
Chris +1 on the taking too long in pursuit of the perfect model. No service provider or enterprise wants to put their network evolution on hold waiting for the IETF. Instead they will seek what they need from other SDOs as you point out. The IETF needs to modernize their process and perhaps

[netmod] Live meeting? and my opinion. [Re: moving forward with schema mount]

2018-01-26 Thread Christian Hopps
Maybe a meeting at this point is useful? It would consolidate things and get away from the endless email threads. If this isn't already known to everyone. There are many people for whom the length of time to market from IETF simple doesn't work in particular with models. That's one big reason