Re: [Netporn-l] Research movie
I'm interested by first movie in video because video chang the relation between spectator and movie. spectator can control what he watch. In cinema it's the director that control what the spectator watch. To resume, that change the relation with scenario, story. BV - Original Message - From: Thomas Heijmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Benoit Villain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Netporn-l@listcultures.org Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Netporn-l] Research movie a title would help, but porn movies have been made from about the invention of film as far as i know Benoit Villain wrote: Good morning everybody, I'm artist and work about a video project installation. For this, I search the name and if possible a copy of the first porn movie in vidoo tape format produced in 1980-1982 I think. Every-body can help me ? Thanks BV ___ Netporn Mailing List Netporn-l@listcultures.org list: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/netporn-l_listcultures.org links: http://del.icio.us/netporn -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 17/11/2007 14:55 ___ Netporn Mailing List Netporn-l@listcultures.org list: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/netporn-l_listcultures.org links: http://del.icio.us/netporn
Re: [Netporn-l] facebook more popular than porn?
Hi Katrien et al, What I notice on facebook is that it encourages transgressive, playful, even flirtatious behavior so that, for example, many people in my network are colleagues who I know through a conference, or maybe they are the friends of closer colleagues and we haven't met in person at all. Yet I send them virtual drinks, throw sheep, cuddle them, and attack them with a vampire who looks like a dominatrix. Depending on how they react, things can really become very friendly and sometimes quite flirty. The mere fact of being on Facebook and adding certain applications--like Boozemail, Likeness, and Compare People--seems to signal being open to this kind of interaction. And I think it could easily lead to some kind romantic/sexual liaison when people meet in person, even if that wasn't an overt goal for either at the start, because Facebook apps really encourage revealing a lot of personal info and are so playful as well. --In fact I'll be very curious to see what happens when I meet several of these people in person for the first time, or after having only met briefly in person, but then been playing around with in Facebook for months and months. While Facebook may be just as restrictive about nudity/porn, I think it absolutely encourages seduction, and also transgression of boundaries between social categories. In fact these are the aspects I find most entertaining personally and interesting professionally. :-) Best, Kim On 11/14/07, kjacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kimberly, Yes of course that would be hard question to answer. How do porn-friendly adult/dating sites and porn-unfriendly social networks condition our (non) sexual desires? I guess that facebook would currently be the fuzzy space that encourages the desire to catch up with old friends or lovers, for instance, while the adult sites are the cold membership sites for people to hunt forward, for always seeking new potential lovers. Since many of us have taken part in the great migration from Myspace and Facebook, it is a good moment to discuss the role of sex and porn culture in this social network. Myspace has a very aggressive policy on sexually explicit images. Any time you upload any photograph, the warning message appears: photos may not contain nudity, violent or offensive material, or copyrighted images. If you violate these terms your account will be deleted. And the terms of service stipulate that Prohibited Content includes, but is not limited to Content that, in the sole discretion of MySpace.com, exploits people in a sexual or violent manner or contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult website. http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.terms As for Facebook policy, it is much so more vague and stipulates that one cannot use the site to upload, post, transmit, share, store or otherwise make available content that, in the sole judgment of Company, is objectionable or which restricts or inhibits any other person from using or enjoying the Site, or which may expose Company or its users to any harm or liability of any type. http://www.facebook.com/terms.php I have looked at some of the pornography and censorhip groups that have meanwhile been opened on Facebook. And just like in Myspace, many Facebook people are being harrassed by admins for posting pictures that are supposedly objectionable or pornographic, where they could very easily be seen to be plain nudity, sex art, activism documentation, educational documentation, amateur snapshots, jokes, whatever. This is yet another example showing that Facebook's legalistic bureaucracy machine does not want to risk offending our grandmother's taste (on both sides). Also, there are many anti-porn groups on Facebook, like abstinence only advocates or stop child porn supporters, so I can see it grow out to be yet another USA-style polarized space. So we are now on this hugely monitored network Facebook as silly and playful beings, to hug and kiss or spit and wage war with friendns. But then what is it is that feels so good or fulfilling about Facebook that the other networks haven't given us? Does Facebook really have a more tolerant and encouraging attitude towards public seductions or sex/porn culture? Or is it just that kind of higher status or scholastic space where we can also have the more refined affairs ? What do you think? Katrien - Original Message - From: Kimberly De Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:00 am Subject: [iDC] Fwd: [Air-L] facebook more popular than porn? To: iDC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe an interesting addition to our discussion of Netporn. I'm still contemplating my own personal response, but so far it seems to so little match the terms of the discussion, I can think of where to even begin. Kim -- Forwarded message -- From: Charles
Re: [Netporn-l] netporn midlife crisis?
jordan's 6 scenes are certainly suggestive; i'm curious though, what exactly they are meant to suggest about netporn and it's putative crisis. are these set pieces offered to imply that the structures of reception, or of the production of, pornography, its digital transmission, and its circulation on the net -- between the laboriously constructed facades of the pseudonymous personas of that domain -- are just a version of the same structures which govern the sexual life of your average homo on the prowl? if that were the case, it would be a similar proposition to my own posting, in that there is an explicit extrapolation from a specifically homoerotic context to a more general case; and in principal i'm in favor of such claims -- if for no other reason than the perverse inversion that they perform. but, of course, there is a politics of such assertions. in the case of these 6 scenes though, i am caught on some aspects of their specificity which i think might be interesting to make more explicit. what does the writing reveal about the narrator in pieces (assuming that they are meant to construct a singular protagonist -- certainly six different narrators are possible)? does it go without saying that N is a man? and that the rather self-conscious construction of his masculinity is marked particularly by the vulnerability of his virile member to the gaze. we cannot but recall the complaint of some feminists (how many waves ago) that pornographic exposure as objectification constitutes a kind of violence of the gaze which is attendant on other more palpable violences which the body of the woman is liable to suffer. later waves have of course reconstructed these claims to allow room for the pleasures of being looked at; still, it seems worth recalling when trying to understand what is happening in these scenes where the construction of masculinity becomes scopic - and perhaps leaves other, more active strategies of masculinity behind. because the question for masculinity becomes how to protect its prestige, so invested in the activities of a phallic drive. that is, might the gaping maw of vision have teeth with which to sever that which the scion of man most esteems, from the place in which he expects (the other) to find it? this is a game of hide and seek, but this man takes out insurance on his member so that its membership is guaranteed in perpetuity. he does not give it up. he does not even risk it. he indicates both its presence and its potency by indirection: he turns his back (which he will not proffer either); he clothes it, enfolds it, or substitutes an armor of muscularity for it. these strategies of fetishistic substitution partake of that logic which reassures the man of of the presence of exactly that which he fears may be absent. the false and affected nonchalance of exposure, the feigned indifference to it, is paired with the insistent preoccupation with the potential for tumescence. the penis is never simply flaccid it is only ever on the verge of demonstrating its power. in the one case where it is fully revealed, the nakedness of the body is conveyed again by its substitute. the lump of clothes at the man's feet is the sign of flaccid exposure; meanwhile, the presumptively erect penis is the center of the other's slavish labors -- decidedly not the object of his gaze, for this would mean that the other has pleasure at the man's expense. instead the man receives his services while basking in the reflected power of his position -- standing as the other kneels. the pretense of exposure masks its ultimate refusal. the construction of this masculinity gives not itself to view, but rather exposes the constructed mask of phallic impenetrability. this is a noh play, not a strip tease and what we see is tengu's mask (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu). a second indirection is to the mask of the drag queen -- who is herself a substitute woman. for after this wave (of feminism, or even after the previous) only the most crude misogyny can come to the fore unmasked. here it is only latent as the exclusion of woman from the scene and the portrayal of femininity as a kind of grotesquerie. the drag queen is not only self conscious about the construction of her femininity, she does not disavow her interest in its construction. she also courts the attention of the gaze, thus becoming twice castrated: once in her tucking of the penis (the panty and tape enabled opposite of the fetishistic and advantageous arrangement of genitalia into his designer skivvies), and again by the eye for the becoming object (of the male gaze). her inattention to attention -- the giving in to sleep which reveals her entire body to be the figure of the flaccid -- is what reminds the man to maintain his vigilance in regard to his image production: be not that other thing! the man is an emblem of paranoia: he is always on guard because he might be watched. and so he is always watching
Re: [Netporn-l] netporn midlife crisis?
Thank you very much for your reactions. David Heckman: And, if there is any problem that I see with online dating, swinging, etc its medium of expression overlaps significantly with the medium of pornography, KJ: Of course one could always decide to be a non-participant or a porn-free sexual organism, but let’s keep in mind the example of Alfred Kinsey who wanted to maintain a too rigorous division between sexual desire (life) and representation or documentation (sex studies). He could not develop a recognition about the urge to displace himself as “Kinsey” and the Kinsey Institute” in relation to the widening technologies of pornography and scopophilia, the social circles around him, the mechanisms of American puritanism. He was hoping to gather more and more reliable information by relying on empirical data (work) and was perhaps a bit unaware of how thousands had already turned their gaze upon him and his work as “Kinsey.” What I mean to say is that he was too much of a machinic busy beaver. We do have the technological means to develop more imaginative sex institutions, meet spaces, and to manipulate the projection of collective fantasies. I find it more interesting to take this opportunity rather than pulling out. Sometimes it is wise to listen to a fairy with a clear voice before taking action: Jordan Crandall: I have a role in these drawings; I help structure the erotic circuit through which they are produced. Yet I make no claims on them. I simply want to be fully present in the process itself. To completely inhabit the generating network. Not to reinforce my body (or self), but rather, in a sense, to displace it -- to generate an excess that always exceeds it. Ultimately it is this space of invention that interests me, rather than the drawings that result. They do not reveal so much as conceal. Crandall seems to sketch himself as a meditative and sensitive pornographic agent or model. This is a possible way of embracing and displacing oneself as pornographic data entity. It is always intriguing to see how other agents will react to such eroticism as an enigmatic and vulnerable intellectual pursuit. I can hear so many people grumble about it being intellectual rubbish. And others feel sad about the laceration of porn image regimes and discourses. And indeed we have to re-infiltrate those sites where people, share, rate and subvert their own content. Again, let’s think of an era when we are past the moral fear of “being found out,” past attempts at trying to look sexy for average mob viewers within a capitalist engine. But of course we still feel sexual energy as a positive force, specially when it is quirky and came unannounced. If you do a quick search on amazon.com, you can see that a whole new collection of books have just appeared on Internet Pornography. Most of the books are written by paranoid sexologists and are totally humor-less tales of how we are plagued by these shadows of illusionism and excess. Well, then we have to create hornier (=more unpredictable) shadow stories, because I don't think we can get back to an innocent sexual reality. The point is indeed to develop ways of taking our own seasoned shadows into sex meetings, relationships, educational efforts. There are some other factor involved. AFF is a male domain (9 males to 1 female) and males have to work very hard at catching females. Females on the other hand are cranky when receiving their sleazy and lazy pathetic messages. AFF males in HK are the already overworked white collar class and have no energy left to seduce, let alone to maintain relationships. They are mostly already married or attached and will tell you that their work and family comes first. I guess that shows that a fairy may sometimes be needed to slow them down and enter them. Trebor forwarded an interview with wired.com sex and technology correspondent Regina Lynn, recently published on the ‘On the Media’. She is in agreement that the porn industries are going through a midlife crisis because of the new demands for user-generated content and social networking within adult sites. She thinks that women-owned adult spaces are a better model to look at since they have developed these functions and figured out how to please clients on the longer term. “I said in a conference recently that if you want to build community in adult spaces, look to the women. The independent websites that women put together where they are the performers and they do the whole thing on their own as maybe their home-based business are all based on community and have been for more than 10 years - talking to their fans, talking to the visitors, building relationships with the fans, who then bring in other people and who then stick around. I know one Webcam performer who has had the same members for seven or eight years.” http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2007/09/07/08 I am not sure if is
