Re: More disc cache improvements
In message ac1710c154.andrew-...@waitrose.com on 9 May 2015 Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In message 20150508154706.gb2...@kyllikki.org on 8 May 2015 Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: The information I want is contained in the log file at exit as most of you have discovered. I have improved whats reported with build CI 2774 and would appreciate two lines of output which appear all together near the end of the log. An example is: content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 2620/240/2380/0 (100%/9%/90%/0%) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 96531600 bytes in 6617 ms average 14626000 bytes/second ARMini RO 5.22 with !Boot and !NetSurf #2774 on the SD card. It has returned a cache too slow message in the two sessions since installing #2774. Results from the most recent one are: (10335.07) content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 523/88/435/0 (100%/16%/83%/0%) (20076.05) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 577764 bytes in 0 ms average 4530 bytes/second After a subsequent lengthy but intermittent session I eventually got the bandwidth warning so then quit and got: (17974.94) content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 563/78/485/0 (100%/13%/86%/0%) (17990.75) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 1222126 bytes in 0 ms average 9334 bytes/second Regards Andrew -- Andrew Pinder
Re: More disc cache improvements
In message 20150508154706.gb2...@kyllikki.org Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: I would like these two lines from the logfile along with the OS and hardware spec of the system. E.g. RISC OS 5 on Iyonix with FAT formatted hard drive or ROOL beta on Raspberry Pi 2 with FAT formatted SD card (7033.74) content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 2461/687/1774/0 (100%/27%/72%/0%) (7033.74) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 22931046 bytes in 0 ms average 71300 bytes/second Iyonix, RISC OS 5.22, 38 GiB spinning rust, Filecore formatted. NS 2774. Dave Can't remember your password? Do you need a strong and secure password? Use Password manager! It stores your passwords protects your account. Check it out at http://mysecurelogon.com/password-manager
Re: Google
On 9 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: In article 3145b6c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 8 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: Another way of using Google is, for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Acacia Just double click on the link. Works from Pluto, StronEd and anything else which will launch a URL. But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-( It just oscillates the same :-( Once on the search, you can delete the search term and type in another. So it seems to be only from the first page. Weird! Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times. The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google -- Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it Excellent Richard :-)) Now I'm back in business, using a 3-year old Netsurf :-) -- Cheers Roger If windfarms on hills are fine then put some on The South Downs too.
Re: Google
In article 60f3f4c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: I found a writable icon and wrote what I know about their broken code in it (which is nothing at all apart from what someone said on here). I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send this. I hope others will follow. quote I am sending this using a browser with Javascript turned on. If I attempt this with Javascript turned off, Google now goes into a recursive loop. This change occurred less than a week ago. A NetSurf browser developer has commented: Google have changed the non-javascript portion of their reply (the noscript entry) to contain completely broken html that simply causes the browser to refresh and fail to work usefully. We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that would be good! Thus I (and I hope others will follow) am drawing this to your attention. endquote I hope that this helps, John -- | John Williams | joh...@ukgateway.net Names for Soul Band:- Soul Beneficiary *
Re: Google
On 9 May 2015 Harriet Bazley [mailto: li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk] wrote: The only contact details I could find was tweeting @google - looks as if they do respond to individual mentions on Twitter, though it mostly seems to be people complaining about disappearing Google+ accounts. Perhaps we could start a Twitterstorm? :-) I've tweeted @google too telling them they need to fix it. Like Tim Hill I make use of duckduckgo.com. And there is https://uk.search.yahoo.com which works with Netsurf. Google's loss! -- Chris
Re: Google
In article 54c0f71aa9li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists) But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-( It just oscillates the same :-( Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times. The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google -- Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it I use an Image search - can it be modified to show these rather than the default text search or have I missed the whole point? Can some clever programmer offer to incorporate an icon in the NetSurf main window to disable Javascript instead of going through Choices? I think this has already been suggested - it sounded like a good idea? Richard
Re: Google
On 8 May 2015, Bernard Boase wrote: On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead. But that doesn't work on the fastest Netsurf that I use (r12638) which is far smoother at scrolling long pages with images on, and is much faster at loading the pages in the first place than any of the Netsurfs released in the last 2 or 3 years. I know because I keep downloading new ones, and they all exhibit the problems just mentioned (and acknowledged by Netsurf developers themselves, because they altered the code to use some other method of displaying pages that works far slower) It gives the usual 'error setting certificate verify locations' It claims to: - be the world's most private search engine, - use Google in the background on your behalf anyway, and - not to record the user's IP address. We don't have to wait for Google to mend its ways. -- Cheers Roger The permanent way turned out not to be so permanent after all ~
Re: Google
On 9 May 2015 Harriet Bazley wrote: The only contact details I could find was tweeting @google - looks as if they do respond to individual mentions on Twitter, though it mostly seems to be people complaining about disappearing Google+ accounts. I got this link from a device alert after signing in on my Mac (I delete all cookies, cache, etc on quitting Firefox): https://support.google.com/accounts/contact/device_alert_feedback?hl=en. I gave them some 'feedback' but I haven't heard any more. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Google
On 9 May 2015 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google -- Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it Why only one radio button? The script I use to search a specific site is: td!-- SiteSearch Google -- form method=get action=http://www.google.com/search; input type=hidden name=ie value=iso-8859-1 input type=hidden name=oe value=iso-8859-1 input type=hidden name=domains value=minimarcos.org.uk input type=hidden name=sitesearch value=www.minimarcos.org.uk input type=text name=q size=20 maxlength=255 value= input type=submit name=btnG value=Search /font/form I guess the important difference is going to /custom instead of /search. On my local home page I have two radio buttons to search either www or the specified site. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Google
On 8 May, b.bo...@bcs.org typed: One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead. On 9 May, r...@minijem.plus.com typed: Also have you tried clicking Advanced? I think you can supply a domain to search but it becomes unusable on NetSurf. Agreed. Even where startpage.com works to start your own searches, sites such as ROOL's which have a search function that uses Google cannot then deliver results at present via Netsurf when Disable Javascript is ticked. To make it easier to switch Javascript, you can leave the Nesurf Configuration Content dialogue open on the desktop and use Adjust to Set it (or the Configuration window open and iconised for quick retrieval of its Content icon), until we get a button in the button bar. And thank you Richard Torrens for the workaround. -- Bernard
Re: Google
In article 3145b6c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 8 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: Another way of using Google is, for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Acacia Just double click on the link. Works from Pluto, StronEd and anything else which will launch a URL. But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-( It just oscillates the same :-( Once on the search, you can delete the search term and type in another. So it seems to be only from the first page. Weird! Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times. The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google -- Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
Re: Google
On 9 May 2015 Chris Dewhurst wrote: Like Tim Hill I make use of duckduckgo.com. And there is https://uk.search.yahoo.com which works with Netsurf. The problem I find with Yahoo! is that I can't download images. That used to be no problem with Google. Also you have to be very careful to make sure you're on the right link and not some Yahoo! link they want you to follow. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: More disc cache improvements
In message 20150508154706.gb2...@kyllikki.org on 8 May 2015 Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: OK perhaps I needed to be more explicit in what I wanted to achieve from this testing. Thanks for the clarification [snip] The information I want is contained in the log file at exit as most of you have discovered. I have improved whats reported with build CI 2774 and would appreciate two lines of output which appear all together near the end of the log. An example is: content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 2620/240/2380/0 (100%/9%/90%/0%) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 96531600 bytes in 6617 ms average 14626000 bytes/second [Snip] I would like these two lines from the logfile along with the OS and hardware spec of the system. E.g. RISC OS 5 on Iyonix with FAT formatted hard drive or ROOL beta on Raspberry Pi 2 with FAT formatted SD card ARMini RO 5.22 with !Boot and !NetSurf #2774 on the SD card. It has returned a cache too slow message in the two sessions since installing #2774. Results from the most recent one are: (10335.07) content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 523/88/435/0 (100%/16%/83%/0%) (20076.05) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 577764 bytes in 0 ms average 4530 bytes/second Regards Andrew -- Andrew Pinder
Re: Google
In article d57cefc054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 8 May 2015, Bernard Boase wrote: On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead. [Snip] It gives the usual 'error setting certificate verify locations' I've tried it a few times and I don't get that error message. When does it appear for you - at the start of a search or at some other point? Using NS 3.2 (26 August 2014) Alan [Snip] -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
If you let the search page loop run, you eventually get to a page Google has detected unusual traffic - are you a robot? Fill in the CAPTCHA and it loops again. But maybe if they get enough loops they will notice... or pigs will fly! On the page there is also a why did this happen link. That doesn't work either! -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
Re: Google
On 8 May 2015, Frank de Bruijn wrote: In article 54c08f864b...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? If you mean Google Search, in its stead I've been using DuckDuckGo with RISC OS for some time. https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Alternatively, if you prefer Google's search results, try https://startpage.com/ Which promptly gives: error setting certificate setting verify locations [at least on older Netserfs [which happen to work far faster, which is why I still use an old version]... This uses Google but has its own frontend, which seems to work fine whether JavaScript is on or not. Regards, Frank -- Cheers Roger If I were you I'd be me
