Re: Dragging from URL icon

2021-01-25 Thread Bernard Boase
>> On 25 Nov, li...@bazleyfamily.co.uk typed:

> Thanks for confirming.  It's probably an unintentional loss of
> functionality and worth reporting.
> https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2799

Thanks for raising the bug report, but I see that dragging the text that 
is in the URL writable icon is still not repaired in the dev versions.

Since I frequently use the facility to drag URLs onto UniControl on the 
icon bar for rendering by the dark side, I have decided to revert to 
NetSurf 3.10 stable. It is in any case this version that gets into apps 
bundled with RISC OS, so many people may not see the bug.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-04 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 4 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  Bernard Boase  wrote:

> On 26 Nov, b.bo...@bcs.org typed:
> 
> > Rather annoying.Good if it can be reinstated.
> 
> My main reason for saying it's annoying is that when one comes across a 
> web page that Netsurf can't fully render, it's such a simple matter to 
> drag the URL from Netsurf to one's UniControl icon for immediate rendering 
> on a nearby PC's browser. This simple action is not currently possible, 
> and the alternative is an awkward Ctrl-C Ctrl-V into UniControl's 
> UniLaunch window.
> 
I find myself frequently (and until these last few days I hadn't realise
quite how frequently) doing Web-based research, then trying to drag the
URLs of the page currently displayed in another Netsurf window into the
one where I'm trying to cite the link.  At the moment I'm constantly
falling back onto the sub-sub-submenu Save location as text savebox,
as I'm used to using the mouse.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-04 Thread Bernard Boase
On 26 Nov, b.bo...@bcs.org typed:

> Rather annoying.Good if it can be reinstated.

My main reason for saying it's annoying is that when one comes across a 
web page that Netsurf can't fully render, it's such a simple matter to 
drag the URL from Netsurf to one's UniControl icon for immediate rendering 
on a nearby PC's browser. This simple action is not currently possible, 
and the alternative is an awkward Ctrl-C Ctrl-V into UniControl's 
UniLaunch window.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-03 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 3 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  Michael Drake  wrote:

> On 02/12/2020 22:24, Harriet Bazley wrote:

[snip]


> > Also, if the star is the thing you're supposed to drag ('favicon'),
> > isn't there a problem with accidentally creating a favourite in the
> > process?  Having a draggable object distinct from the icon text sounds
> > like a good solution in principle, but using that particular one seems
> > awkward.
> 
> The star is a hotlist/bookmarks/favorites toggle.
> 
> The favicon is either a website-specific icon, or if none is provided,
> the NetSurf content icon should be used as a fallback:
> 
> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/images/content.png
> 
Ah, thanks - the icon at the lefthand end of the URL bar, not the
righthand end.   :-)

I can confirm that dragging that one doesn't have any effect here
either.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-03 Thread Bernard Boase
On 2 Dec, b.bo...@bcs.org typed:

> Only trouble is if you do highlight the text in the field, then Ctrl-C
> doesn't work and there appears to be no way to deselect the text so as to
> do what I describe above.

Oops, not quite. Escape does deselct a highlighted URL.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-03 Thread Michael Drake
On 02/12/2020 22:24, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> On 2 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
>   Martin Avison  wrote:
> 
>> In article <725eadd858.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
>>Harriet Bazley  wrote:
>>> I'm on RISC OS 5.27.
>>> Neither dragging the little yellow star nor dragging the URL text is
>>> currently working.
> 
> Also, if the star is the thing you're supposed to drag ('favicon'),
> isn't there a problem with accidentally creating a favourite in the
> process?  Having a draggable object distinct from the icon text sounds
> like a good solution in principle, but using that particular one seems
> awkward.

The star is a hotlist/bookmarks/favorites toggle.

The favicon is either a website-specific icon, or if none is provided,
the NetSurf content icon should be used as a fallback:

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/images/content.png

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 2 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  Martin Avison  wrote:

> In article <725eadd858.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
>Harriet Bazley  wrote:
> > I'm on RISC OS 5.27.
> > Neither dragging the little yellow star nor dragging the URL text is
> > currently working.

Also, if the star is the thing you're supposed to drag ('favicon'),
isn't there a problem with accidentally creating a favourite in the
process?  Having a draggable object distinct from the icon text sounds
like a good solution in principle, but using that particular one seems
awkward.

> 
> Saying 5.27 is no help - early versions had no relevant changes,
> middle ones had some changes that may or may not have worked, later
> ones were ok.
> 
> So please will anyone referring to 5.27 also give the date?

This one says 30-Sep-20.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 2 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  Michael Drake  wrote:

[snip]


>   RISC OS Versions:
>   * RISC OS 4/6 from 4.37 onward (I think, it's been a while.)
>   * RISC OS 5 from 5.28 onward
> 
>   Dragging the URL text should perform text selection, and you
>   should be able to cut/copy/paste the text with Ctrl+X/C/V.
> 
>   Dragging the favicon should drag-save the whole URL.
> 
> 
>   RISC OS without text selection support
>   ==
> 
>   RISC OS Versions:
>   * RISC OS 2/3/4 up to 4.37
>   * RISC OS 5 up to 5.28.
> 
>   Dragging the favicon or the actual URL text should drag-save
>   the whole URL.
> 
> 
> If that's not happening, it's not as intended, however, we'll
> need a RISC OS developer to fix it for us.
> 

I'm on RISC OS 5.27.
Neither dragging the little yellow star nor dragging the URL text is
currently working.
 


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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread John Rickman
In message <980d53d858.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
  Harriet Bazley  wrote:

> On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
>   John Rickman  wrote:

>> In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
>>   lists  wrote:

> [snip]


>>> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
>>> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.
>> 
>> You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the
>> target area - no need for copy and paste.
>> 
> You can't in versions later than v5220 - which is what started this
> thread.  The feature has disappeared.

Sorry, wasn't paying attention. I am still using 3.10 #4967.
Looks as if I shouldn't upgrade until the NrtSurf team have fixed it.

John




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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread lists
In article <81675e57-bbf9-639f-ed1e-f83b97deb...@codethink.co.uk>,
   Michael Drake  wrote:
> This is all getting very confusing.

> For what it's worth, this is the target behaviour that NetSurf's
> aiming for, note it varies depending on whether the version of
> RISC OS supports text selection / C in writable icons:

Thanks for that.

I currently running 5.24 on an Iyonix

> If that's not happening, it's not as intended, however, we'll
> need a RISC OS developer to fix it for us.

That's fair enough.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread Bernard Boase
My latest observation with #5223 and OS 5.27 is that if you click in 
Netsurf's URL field but not double-click nor do Ctrl-A nor otherwise 
select its text, then Ctrl-C does put the text in the field onto the 
clipboard for pasting elsewhere.

Only trouble is if you do highlight the text in the field, then Ctrl-C 
doesn't work and there appears to be no way to deselect the text so as to 
do what I describe above.

I haven't found any distinction between trying to operate on the icon's 
text and trying to do so on the favicon.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread Michael Drake
This is all getting very confusing.

For what it's worth, this is the target behaviour that NetSurf's
aiming for, note it varies depending on whether the version of
RISC OS supports text selection / C in writable icons:


  RISC OS with text selection support
  ===

  RISC OS Versions:
  * RISC OS 4/6 from 4.37 onward (I think, it's been a while.)
  * RISC OS 5 from 5.28 onward

  Dragging the URL text should perform text selection, and you
  should be able to cut/copy/paste the text with Ctrl+X/C/V.

  Dragging the favicon should drag-save the whole URL.


  RISC OS without text selection support
  ==

  RISC OS Versions:
  * RISC OS 2/3/4 up to 4.37
  * RISC OS 5 up to 5.28.

  Dragging the favicon or the actual URL text should drag-save
  the whole URL.


If that's not happening, it's not as intended, however, we'll
need a RISC OS developer to fix it for us.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread lists
In article <7d1442d858.j...@rickman.argonet..co.uk>,
   John Rickman  wrote:

> You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the 
> target area - no need for copy and paste.

That's what I'm complaining about, you can no longer copy and paste and
this system is very confusing as it's the only app that works like this
and it used to behave "properly" before.

Time and time again I find I've dropped a URL in the wrong place because I
haven't put the cursor where I want the URL in a document, before starting
the copy. It's a totally backwards system.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-02 Thread lists
In article <6cd363d858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
   Bryan Hogan  wrote:
> > Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> > copy a URL,

> Arrggh, so why didn't you say that in the first place?!?

Because the subject title and Harriet's complaint is all about URLs.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Bryan Hogan
In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL,

Arrggh, so why didn't you say that in the first place?!?

In that case it is an icon, therefore the cut and paste is being handled 
by the Wimp since sometime around the end of last year (IIRC), so you'll 
need to report any problems on the ROOL forum.

These changes will also be partly the cause of Harriet's original problem, 
as the Wimp's attempts to handle clicks/drags/highlights in the icon are 
overriding NetSurf's handling of it.

To get round this, maybe NetSurf could have an icon at the end of the URL 
bar that can be dragged? (I know, RO developer needed!)

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  John Rickman  wrote:

> In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
>   lists  wrote:

[snip]


> > Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> > copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.
> 
> You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the 
> target area - no need for copy and paste.
> 
You can't in versions later than v5220 - which is what started this
thread.  The feature has disappeared.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread John Rickman
In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
>Nick Roberts  wrote:

>> I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
>> from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
>> Ctrl-V).

>> I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
>> your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.

You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the 
target area - no need for copy and paste.

John

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  lists  wrote:

> In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
>Nick Roberts  wrote:
> 
> > I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
> > from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
> > Ctrl-V).
> 
> > I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
> > your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.
> 
> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.
> 
I did discover a bug when trying to select and copy from the URL bar
(which I was trying in order to circumvent the lack of drag, although
it's a rather more laborious operation).

If you use Ctrl-A to select the content of the icon, a single click
elsewhere in the document (or even back in the same icon) doesn't then
clear the selection.  In fact, you can start a drag and create a
*second* highlighted selection elsewhere in Netsurf - the URL bar just
goes to a paler highlight, and then if you click in it again you end up
with two black selected areas in the same window.
Normally, clicking elsewhere in the same window is expected to clear any
existing selection.  The only way to clear the URL bar at all appears to
be by an explicit Ctrl-Z with the cursor in the icon, and it took me a
long time to discover that option for getting rid of it!

If you 'select' the URL bar with Ctrl-A, then create a selection
elsewhere, then click back into the URL bar (creating two simultaneous
selections), then press Ctrl-C, doing a paste from the clipboard into
another app will transfer the selected text from the URL bar, but doing
a 'Selection->Save' via the menu structure will save the selection from
the work area instead.   :-D

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Dave
In article <58d82e7635stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
   lists  wrote:
> In article <20a91ad858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
>Bryan Hogan  wrote:

> > > Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

> > You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if
> > you actually want anything done about it.

> > Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly
> > using it.

> Copy and paste:

> Drag cursor along text to mark it, Hit CTRL-C, place curser where text is
> required, CTRL-V

> You can no longer mark the text. When you try you end up with a funny
> little square which you have to drag into your document and it lands up
> wherever you happen to have left the cursor, which invariably isn't where
> you want it placed.

> This is contrary to every other copy operation in RISC OS or, as far as
> I am aware Windows either, which is why I say it doesn't work properly,
> i.e. as it should.

Here using NS 5223 I can copy and paste without problems, I can also copy
and paste out of the URL bar.

But as Harriet notes, unlike in past times we cannot drag the URL out to
another place.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread lists
In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
   Nick Roberts  wrote:

> I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
> from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
> Ctrl-V).

> I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
> your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Nick Roberts
In message <58d82e7635stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
   lists  wrote:

> In article <20a91ad858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
>Bryan Hogan  wrote:
> 
> > > Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.
> 
> > You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if
> > you  actually want anything done about it.
> 
> > Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly
> > using  it.
> 
> Copy and paste:
> 
> Drag cursor along text to mark it, Hit CTRL-C, place curser where
> text is required, CTRL-V
> 
> You can no longer mark the text. When you try you end up with a funny
> little square which you have to drag into your document and it lands
> up wherever you happen to have left the cursor, which invariably
> isn't where you want it placed.
> 
> This is contrary to every other copy operation in RISC OS or, as far
> as I am aware Windows either, which is why I say it doesn't work
> properly, i.e. as it should.

I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
Ctrl-V).

I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread lists
In article <20a91ad858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
   Bryan Hogan  wrote:

> > Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

> You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if you 
> actually want anything done about it.

> Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly using 
> it.

Copy and paste:

Drag cursor along text to mark it, Hit CTRL-C, place curser where text is
required, CTRL-V

You can no longer mark the text. When you try you end up with a funny
little square which you have to drag into your document and it lands up
wherever you happen to have left the cursor, which invariably isn't where
you want it placed.

This is contrary to every other copy operation in RISC OS or, as far as I
am aware Windows either, which is why I say it doesn't work properly, i.e.
as it should.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Bryan Hogan
In message <58d5f4ba4bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if you 
actually want anything done about it.

Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly using 
it.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-30 Thread Bernard Boase
On 29 Nov, li...@bazleyfamily.co.uk typed:

> Thanks for confirming.  It's probably an unintentional loss of
> functionality and worth reporting.
> https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2799

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-29 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 26 Nov 2020 as I do recall,
  Bernard Boase  wrote:

> On 25 Nov, li...@bazleyfamily.co.uk typed:
> 
> > I upgraded to v5223 and have just noticed that dragging a URL from the URL
> > icon no longer produces any result - you have to go via Page->Save
> > location->Text, or try to select, copy and paste.
> 
> I can confirm that that drag functionality is lost here too on both
> ARMX6 OS 5.27 and Iyonix OS 5.28 with Netsurf #5223.
> 
> And that it continues to work on the Iyonix OS 5.28 if I revert to an 
> earlier Netsurf (#5216 was to hand).
> 
> Rather annoying.Good if it can be reinstated.
> 
Thanks for confirming.  It's probably an unintentional loss of
functionality and worth reporting.
https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2799


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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-27 Thread lists
In article <7df807d558.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley  wrote:
> I upgraded to v5223 and have just noticed that dragging a URL from the
> URL icon no longer produces any result - you have to go via Page->Save
> location->Text, or try to select, copy and paste.

> Is this an intentional change?

I'm not sure what you are complaing about Harriet but Copy and Paste
hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-27 Thread David Pitt
Michael Drake, on 25 Nov, wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 25/11/2020 16:51, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> > I upgraded to v5223 and have just noticed that dragging a URL from the
> > URL icon no longer produces any result - you have to go via Page->Save
> > location->Text, or try to select, copy and paste.

As tested on OS5.28 and later the URL drag and drop stops working with
#5220.

> > Is this an intentional change?

> Not completely.  Ideally if you're on a version of the OS that
> supports text selection in writable icons, a URL drag should
> select text.

Checked with OS5.28 and later the text in the URL bar cannot be selected.

The URL text can be selected fron the Open URL tool and then dragged out
with OS5's drag and drop.

> It needs a RISC OS developer to make any sense of it, however.
 

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-25 Thread Bernard Boase
On 25 Nov, li...@bazleyfamily.co.uk typed:

> I upgraded to v5223 and have just noticed that dragging a URL from the URL
> icon no longer produces any result - you have to go via Page->Save
> location->Text, or try to select, copy and paste.

I can confirm that that drag functionality is lost here too on both
ARMX6 OS 5.27 and Iyonix OS 5.28 with Netsurf #5223.

And that it continues to work on the Iyonix OS 5.28 if I revert to an 
earlier Netsurf (#5216 was to hand).

Rather annoying.Good if it can be reinstated.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-25 Thread Peter Young
On 25 Nov 2020  Harriet Bazley  wrote:

> I upgraded to v5223 and have just noticed that dragging a URL from the
> URL icon no longer produces any result - you have to go via Page->Save
> location->Text, or try to select, copy and paste.

Seems to work here, if I've understood what you wrote.

ARMX6, RISC OS 5.27, RiscOS version 5.27 (30-Sep-20) FWIW.

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-11-25 Thread Michael Drake
Hi,

On 25/11/2020 16:51, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> I upgraded to v5223 and have just noticed that dragging a URL from the
> URL icon no longer produces any result - you have to go via Page->Save
> location->Text, or try to select, copy and paste.

> Is this an intentional change?

Not completely.  Ideally if you're on a version of the OS that
supports text selection in writable icons, a URL drag should
select text.

It needs a RISC OS developer to make any sense of it, however.

Contributions welcome!

Cheers,

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