Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Brian Holmes
This is a great discussion! CAE just wrote this: One of the reasons we stopped doing these projects was due to the fact that our experience of the ArtSci world was that it was not progressive. In fact, our experience was that most were unknowing agents for the neoliberals. Aestheticizing the d

Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Kurtz, Steven
Just a few random comments related to the discussion Eric has initiated. Between 1997 and 2007, Critical Art Ensemble did quite a few art/science/politics projects. When speaking about those projects we would say, “it looks like science, but its not.” If someone wanted to engage us as scientist

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Thanks so much Brian, Very relevant critique. Without wanting to get stuck on a term, I was using the word ‘field’ partly because there is a field of practice that refers to itself as ArtScience (with a growing number of initiatives, organisations, museums even), towards which I wanted to take

Re: Net neutrality and the rest of the internet?

2017-12-08 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Dear Johnathan, Thank you. I tend to agree that it may well be a lost cause but, one still worth commenting on and rejecting until its lost, no? I’d rather go down fighting. Maybe some can claim a completely autonomous net.space already and, therefore, this seems as much a part of hype as “multime

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Brian Holmes
Eric, I totally appreciate and admire your interest in all this, but with due respect I think making ArtScience into a "field" is an archaic twentieth-century delaying tactic, from the days when liberal society could believe itself eternal. Reading this morning about California's winter fires,

Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Dear nettimers, For a few years I’ve been teaching and coaching at the ArtScience Interfaculty in The Hague, a very nice small scale experimental program located between the academy of visual arts and the school of music, with some modest links to local universities, and since one and half year

Net neutrality and the rest of the internet?

2017-12-08 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Dear nettime, Please post good sources of thought about the curtailing of “net neutrality” here in US and what effects that could or will have elsewhere? Feeling myopic in my understanding Much obliged for any, all comments Also - an easy action to take is this one...open to international commu