Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread RRA
> This is in the end what Silicon Valley tries to prevent at all cost: > resistance and exodus. How can such a momentum be unleashed? So aside from the discussion of who listens (or didn't listen) to whose opinion it can be interesting to have a closer look at action and momentum. Three projects

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Morlock Elloi
FB as HIV: The future of humanity is the struggle between humans that control machines and machines that control humans. While the internet has brought about a revolution in our ability to educate each other, the consequent democratic explosion has shaken existing establishments to their

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Richard Barbrook
Hiya, > From where I sit, Momentum looks like the most interesting political > thing happening in the dreeeary Western World. Noting the role that the > revived situationist War Game is playing in the Labor Party, and > recalling the role that the "California Ideology" has played on > Nettime,

the thing with Europe

2018-01-16 Thread Morlock Elloi
Or maybe it's time to put down our phones, pick up shovels and start laying fibre. I don't know. This, of course, is the only solution. If all other arguments fail, consider that this gets you to the jail fastest. QED. --- Europe was mentioned several times recently as alleged potential

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Morlock Elloi
If this is the only solution, we are in trouble. 1. The current (and foreseeable) political climate will not have any monopoly-breaking anti-trust mechanisms applied, period. This is the 20th century thinking, a non-starter. The opposite actually happens. 2. Curated vs. censored problem was

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Brian Holmes
On 01/16/2018 05:44 AM, David Garcia wrote: I continue to put some cautious hope in the rise and rise of an increasingly tech savvy Momentum (the UK Labor Party’s Corbyn supporting outfit) that could become a forum for addressing the power of platform capitalism. As Momentum appears to be

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread AllanInfo
Hello,  I’m coming at this discussion from another direction, sorry about that… The problem with Facebook (for me anyway) is not its social media functions in so far as IT ONLY works as a virtual bulletin board, town crier or even as vehicle for sending messages. These aspects were part of the

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread carlo von lynX
I forward this post from Michael because I not only appreciate being acked, but because everything else in it is just so absolutely right. - Forwarded message from Michael Rogers - On 14/01/18 16:36, Geert Lovink wrote: > How can we scale up and democratize all

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Alexander Bard
I hate to look like a self-promotor here - sorry - but Jan Söderqvist and I analysed "attentionalism" as the deeper and even more complex continuation of "capitalism" in our Marxist digital age manifesto "The Neotocrats" already in 2000. The full scary pyramid of networks (class divisions are no

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Sean Cubitt
that should of course have read: the ruling algorithms are in every epoch the algorithms of the ruling class From The German Ideology to German Media Theory (and you’re right Patrice, via Therborn . . and Lefebvre and Stuart hall) have algorithms taken over the role of ideology? Clearer if

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Patrice Riemens
Sounds like "What Does The Ruling Class Do When It Rules" https://www.versobooks.com/books/292-what-does-the-ruling-class-do-when-it-rules Ciaoui, p+7D! On 2018-01-16 12:27, Sean Cubitt wrote: The algorithms of the ruling class are in every epoch the algorithms of the ruling class

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread David Garcia
> Florian wrote: One could argue that today's mainstream social media critique > has finally caught up with the critical media theory of 10-15 years ago. The difference is that 10-15 years ago the unprecedented popularity of the social media platforms coupled with mobile devices was a long way

Re: social media critique: next steps?

2018-01-16 Thread Sean Cubitt
The algorithms of the ruling class are in every epoch the algorithms of the ruling class -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:16:59 +0100 From: Florian Cramer > Cc: Nettime