Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Joseph Rabie
China is a single-party state ruled by a Communist Party. At the same time, it has become the leading actor of the global market economy, with the usual trappings of capitalism - millionaires, stock exchanges, labour exploitation, etc. In the face of such contradictions, how might one even

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Molly Hankwitz
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:54 PM Brian Holmes wrote: > Perhaps this thing called the Left exists in a world where actions have > consequences. > Or perhaps the Left has too long lingered in its own beautiful realm of theory only to find that the far right has guns and are willing to use them to

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread John Young
No need to answer inane provocations, shallow insults, sterile ejaculations, like this sentence. Ignore them, or best to offer constructive comments as you most often do, those which lead to productive exchanges. Like this sentence. At 03:22 PM 1/15/2021, you wrote: For what reason do you

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
For what reason do you wish to evaluate China? Do they need to fulfill some doctrinaire and idealist definition of communism such that we don't denounce them and deny their accomplishments? The CPC has many millions of well-informed members. What does our ill-informed opinion matter? And

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Joseph Rabie
A question for Dmytri: Is China a truly Communist country, and if so, what are the markers of this? Best - Joseph Rabie. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2021-01-12 22:49, Ryan Griffis wrote: Dmytri, I have no interest in engaging further in whatever it is you’re doing, or think you’re doing, here. Why do you feel my contribution here is particularly suspicious or illegitimate? I did *not* attempt "to use _ Stedile, a leader of MST,

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2021-01-15 10:55, William Waites wrote: These days I spend most of my time in some sort of no-man's land between theoretical computer science and applied mathematics. I don't know much about the philosophers that you quote. Everything I know about philosophy I learned from Existential

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
Am 11/01/21 um 13:59 schrieb Frank Rieger: > China is just another imperialist racist state that happens to be the enemy > of the other large imperialist racist state, the US. I can understand the > need for a shining beacon of hope for the left. China & Co. are not it. Isnt that life as usual?

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread James Wallbank
Hello Nettime, I'm sorry to see that this thread has degenerated, but I wonder whether this was inevitable. Are the terms "left" and "right" meaningful any more, as an axis to distinguish political positions? We have, apparently, established that the "right" says is favours a small state,

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread William Waites
Dmytri Kleiner writes: > Federated small groups with voluntary structures that analyze and > iterate. [...] The trouble is the western left has mostly abandoned > this strategy in favour of third party "advocacy" or "mobilizing" or > other punditry and doesn't want to be on the same team as the