Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-06 Thread Johnatan Petterson
Oh. I generously accept the criticism. I certainly don't know 'theory' as to what relates to this list aura. I have an habit to post to Virginia-e (the deleuze-guattari list there), but not anymore it seems, emptied due to the facebook plateforms, and may-be the explosion of the deleuze-guattari

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-05 Thread Geert Lovink
I agree with you. Not enough new concepts that impact the future and not merely respond and reflect. But it not just concepts themselves. There are not enough new ways to identify what theory is today and how to agree together on certain concepts that make sense and energize people. Concepts

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-05 Thread Johnatan Petterson
Holà Todo! yesterday, There was about 700 of us walking peaciful in the streets of Perpignan, we: in sympathy, our nerval ganglions in happy solidarity with people in Barcelona, which is a city in the south of Catalunya. Emmanuel Macron and his government directed by Edouard Philipe, boast

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-04 Thread t byfield
On 4 Oct 2017, at 11:13, oliver lerone schultz wrote: I think this is a very relevant position for the nettime public, coming from xnet, right in the middle between progressive politics and critical digital culture... A few pointers re the internet angle — because they're at hand, not

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-04 Thread oliver lerone schultz
I think this is a very relevant position for the nettime public, coming from xnet, right in the middle between progressive politics and critical digital culture... very best, oliver *XNET'S REPORT ON CATALAN REFERENDUM: DIGITAL REPRESSION AND RESISTANCE:*

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-04 Thread Örsan Şenalp
There is a parallel discussion going on over the reaction of nation-statist forces against Southern Kurdistan's referendum -its oppression by Turkish, Iranian, and Iraqi ruling classes, given Russian support. If someone would have asked his opinion probably Assad would have stood against it too.

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-03 Thread Frederic Neyrat
Hi, I found this text interesting: ​"​ The future of the EU at stake in Catalonia ​" http://www.atimes.com/article/future-eu-stake-catalonia/ Quote (amongst other interesting things): ​"​ The Catalan government beat the fascist goons with two very simple codes – as revealed by La Vanguardia.

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-03 Thread Ian Alan Paul
The radical Left in Barcelona is conflicted. People oppose independence simply because it has the tendency to subsume all other political antagonisms (see the very strange left/right coalition currently in power in Catalonia). At the same time, there is general agreement about the right to

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-03 Thread Felix Stalder
I think this is much more than identity politics, beyond the point that all politics that aim at a certain broad, popular support, are also about identity. That is, they need to address the questions of who are "we" and what directions should "our" collective efforts should take. Several outcomes

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-03 Thread Morlock Elloi
Isn't this equivalent of identity politics, at the province level? Bunch of cute and original provinces, with unique histories, salamis, Gaudis and animosities, feeling so good being themselves, expressing their little unique patriotic feelings, and, while doing all that, being insignificant

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-02 Thread Patrice Riemens
On 2017-10-03 07:23, Brian Holmes wrote: On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Aliette GC wrote: Country is not nationalism for them but their singular and exclusive work tool available to experiment. Maybe, and let's sure hope. But not blindly. Ada Colau, mayor

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-02 Thread Brian Holmes
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Aliette GC wrote: > Country is not nationalism for them but their singular and exclusive work > tool available to experiment. > Maybe, and let's sure hope. But not blindly. Ada Colau, mayor of Barcelona and leading figure of

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-02 Thread oliver lerone schultz
hey, this is not exactly an 'answer'; but I think it might be helpful for mapping the territory around this particular question a bit. it´s two articles from Raul Zelik, who has will soon also publish a book around the complex territory of current day political 'history' in Spain ('Spanien – eine

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-02 Thread Patrice Riemens
On 2017-10-02 09:22, Felix Stalder wrote: Like many, I watched incredulously as Spanish police beat up Catalan voters yesterday and I kept wondering what this rising tension does to the project of rebel municipalism. Is it being squeezed between the nationalisms? Or can thrive within it? What's

Re: Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-02 Thread Morlock Elloi
We'll read about it ad nauseam in the coming months, but one thing is clear - it became obvious that connectivity based on centralized systems (DNS, hosts, fiber, carriers) is useless in wartime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jShMQw2H2cM On 10/2/17, 00:22, Felix Stalder wrote: Like many,

Barcelona: nationalism, municipalism?

2017-10-02 Thread Felix Stalder
Like many, I watched incredulously as Spanish police beat up Catalan voters yesterday and I kept wondering what this rising tension does to the project of rebel municipalism. Is it being squeezed between the nationalisms? Or can thrive within it? What's happening. Felix --