Re: The Gentrification of Hacking: How yuppies hacked the
hi! spot on the topic, in Rome's university La Sapienza yesterday researchers and students were protesting with a peaceful sit-in... against the Maker Faire! http://ilmanifesto.info/alla-sapienza-contestata-la-maker-faire-una-vetrina-per-il-business-sullinnovazione/ on the topic: https://www.facebook.com/groups/fabberintialia/permalink/976572735741364/ a large discussion (in Italian) about the protest, hosted in the "Fabber in Italia" Facebook group, maybe Italy's largest community for makers it's a bit of a shocking conversation. most of the members of what is, in their words, is a "movement", with "social values" and a focus on the approaches of "openness" and "solidarity" share the following thoughts about the protesters: "4 sfigati in cerca di pubblicità " ("4 loosers in search of visibility") "il biglietto di ben 5 euro?" ("all this for a ticket of 5 euros?") "secondo me sono dei poveri imbecilli.." ("if you ask me, they are sad idiots") "...non è interessato alla fiera, semplicemente perché non interessato all'innovazione" ("they're not interested in the fair, simply because they're not interested in innovation") "non hanno argomentazioni" ("they have no argument") "stiamo dando peso ad una cosa da non prendere nemmeno in considerazione" ("we are dedicating effort to something which does not deserve it") "roba da pazzi! un gruppo fb per lamentarsi di 2 giorni di chiusura dell'ateneo? ma qui siamo alla follia!" ("it's crazy! a fb group to protest about a 2 days closure of the university? it's madness!") "Quando cercheranno lavoro cambieranno le loro teste" ("when they'll go looking for a job, they'll change their mind") "L'innovazione senza business non esiste [...] Nelle aule universitarie dovrebbero iniziare a spiegare con sempre più insistenza che i soldi e il business non sono il demonio! Sono lo strumento per migliorare la ricerca, l'innovazione, i territori e le vite delle persone. Liberalizziamo la ricchezza anche in Italia!" ("innovation without business does not exist [...] In university classes, they should start teaching with insistence that money and business are not the demon! They are the instruments to do better research, innovation, to makes territories and people's lives better. Let's liberate richness in Italy, too!") "Mi sembra autolesionismo" ("it looks like self-harm") some even express opinions about the education system: "I ragazzi che vanno all'università , nel 90% dei casi, ci vanno perchè costretti dai genitori o perchè vedono un futuro nero davanti a loro, non perchè gli piace studiare e annessi.  [...]  non vedo nemmeno perchè dovremmo sforzarci a far apprezzare a persone disinteressate cose che dovrebbero affascinare già di default tutti, dal bambino all'anziano? va benissimo così, pensiamo a noi stessi, dentro troveremo solamente persone consapevoli ed interessate e magari nascerà qualche dialogo costruttivo (per noi). Gli altri lasciali manifestare, sprecheranno voce, tempo e salute." ("the kids who attend university, 90% of the times, go there because of their parents, or because they see a black future in front of them, not because they enjoy studying [...]  i don't see why we should dedicate efforts to them, because they are not interested in those things which should be of interest for everyone, from children to elderly, by default. It's fine like this, let's think about ourselves; inside we will find people who are aware and interested, and, maybe, some constructive dialogue (for us) will take place. Let the others protest, they will waste voice, time and health.") "le università italiane, ovvero i docenti italiani, ancora di fab lab, sharing economy, fabbricazione digitale non come "fine", ma come "strumento" di studio, ricerca e lavoro, ancora non sanno cosa farsene, non ne conoscono i motivi, non ne apprezzano le potenzialità " ("Italian universities, italian professors, don't know what to do with fablabs, sharing economies, digital fabbing, not as a tool, but as an instrument for study, research and work, they don't know the reasons and motives, they don't appreciate the potentialities") "a me pare ovvio che la cosa vada interpretata come [...] un atto di appropriazione da parte dell'Università sulle tematiche di MF" ("it seems to me that it is obvious how this thing should be interpreted as [...] an appropriation of the themes of the maker faire by the university") "L'Università guadagna in immagine Sua e dei suoi ricercatori e studenti [...] contatti con le aziende per il loro placement dopo laurea insomma grande maquillage per tornare nei ranking internazionali" ("the university gains in terms of its own image and the one of its researchers and students [...] contacts with companies for their placem
Re: The Gentrification of Hacking: How yuppies hacked the
The answer to this, dear Jaromil, is oeuf corse to simply 'do it' (the practical work on the ground and in the streets) - and not talk too much about it since it attracts all kinds of un-called for, time wasting - or worse - attention. Meanwhile let's keep nettime as the enjoyable digi-paper of records of the chattering net.art.cult.philo classes. No bother and certainly no need to reform nettime into some mouthpiece of the one and only politically correct approach. Cheers from sinking Venezia, p+2D! On 2015-10-11 20:36, Jaromil wrote: > dear nettimers, > > spot on the topic, in Rome's university La Sapienza yesterday > researchers and students were protesting with a peaceful sit-in... > against the Maker Faire! # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: ttip: digital respect and resistance
Dear Felix, Olia, Susanne and all, Thanks for your thoughtful responses. Picking up on Susanne Gerbers last point: > Is it not possible, that digital culture, or at least parts of it, in > the meantime has switched sides and belongs already more to the TTIP > creators? Then we have to rethink the whole context > and 'Berührungsangst' would mean something else. Maybe I should first clarify that this was a quickly written statement for a presentation of transmediale as a partner in the EMARE, media art residency exchange programme set up by Werkleitz, a fantastic long running media art organisation in Halle (and the village of Werkleitz). This exchange programme has shifting geographical focus but this year the partners came from Germany, Canada and Australia. So in this context, my aim was not to say that this type of exchange shares the same set of values underwriting agreements like TTIP but because of its international structure could have potential to form an important enclave in the resistance against this and the other agreements. It would of course be only one among many initiatives and not the most significant one, but I do see a lack of transnational coalitions opposing TTIP in the cultural sector as the debates at least when it relates to Germany and France seem to follow the usual protectionist lines of argument, where protecting cultural diversity (in the UNESCO sense) is foremost about protecting national cultures or European cultural heritage. I am not arguing against safeguarding particularities, but it seems to me that what has especially been built up in parts of the net culture / digital art spheres, perhaps through tele-presence in a positive sense, are transversal forms of thinking and practice, that yes, might seem simply to be contingent with the exploitative planetary networks of the "Three Big T's", but which are eventually underwritten by completely different values and goals. This is where Felix rightly points to the key issue of the feeling of powerlessness of the individual and specialized settings towards these immense meta-frameworks that seem to challenges everything at once. And yet we have known for a long time that even without these agreements, this is where the world is going and maybe it is time to accentuate the conflicts and differences within what seems to be one big picture or one big collect it all scheme. As I am pretty sure that even if as Olia pointed out, it's "Drones yesterday, Snowden today" (or rather the other way around), the engagement with these topics is not just a capitalisation from culture professionals of trending social and economic agendas, but also stemming from a genuine, however at times misinformed or naive, intention to change our perception, knowledge and agency in such issues. Many times, this is also a question of developing new vocabularies instead of trying to bridge the differences or find the common points of understanding, I think it is now far more relevant to find ways of making the different positions clear which would amount to an understanding of the meta-levels - this is what is needed to at all adress something like the regulation of the regulation and not become lost in the echo-chambers or opinion against opinion bubbles. best, Kristoffer # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: VW
On Sep 25, 2015, at 2:01 PM, t byfield <[1]tbyfi...@panix.com> wrote: So, right there, VW diesel owners have a pretty ironclad case for what boils down to speculative financial compensation: the difference between what the cars 'would have been worth' if this flaw hadn't been exposed and what they *are* worth -- which is zero, if only because no one in their right mind would buy one (and in many cases reale may now be forbidden by law). I wouldn't say that. For whatever reason I haven't heard or read anything about the actual impact to the driver in terms of what the performance will be like if they do repair/replace in-field. I've heard people say it was to make VW cars drive better and perform better but nobody ever seems to quantify that. Is it simply a net loss of bhp? Torque? Idle hesitation? What's the problem with these cars if they are in compliance with regulations? And how has this not turned into a grassfire that sucks up all VW brands? Audi has TDI engines too. Porsche might offer a diesel turbo Cayenne? Seat surely has a few diesels potentially impacted? I think it's likely every car manufacturer is engaged in similar behavior. If it's handled like the corruption and dishonesty in the financial sector I'm sure we'll all be just fine. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org