Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread James Wallbank
Hi Bronac, I've always believed in the truism "ars longa, vita brevis". You only really see what an artwork is in time. Lev is right that some artworks become hopelessly outdated, or just of interest as an experiment - a record of a moment. But some are still highly relevant. Now, in

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread bronac ferran
Hi James Points taken. Thank you. B On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 17:16, James Wallbank wrote: > Hi Bronac, > > I've always believed in the truism "ars longa, vita brevis". You only > really see what an artwork is in time. > > Lev is right that some artworks become hopelessly outdated, or just of >

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread Max Herman
Hi Brian, In 2007 I proposed that Postmodernism was over, and the new art-historical period should be called Networkism. Think of this as just a random comment, but meant as a prompt to thought. I received one reply that I can recall, stating that Networkism wasn't a good name, and that

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread bronac ferran
Dear James Fascinating, but inevitably some thoughts arise I'd already been viewing Lev's cri de coeur as his Hamlet moment, or better still, his anthropophagic minute: Tupi or not Tupi, as our Brazilian forefathers warned us. How to breathe life into old stuff? To regurgitate the swallowed? To

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread James Wallbank
Hello Nettime! This conversation is simply *too* *interesting*! I'm a bit busy right now, but just want to register that I have loads of responses. What is "digital art"? Where is the boundary between digital art and art that engages with the digital? The artworks that I and my friends

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread voyd
  On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:26:40 -0400, v...@voyd.com wrote:   Steve, thanks for this, and yeah, the Tactical Media Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test was a great trip. What a ride, and it might not be done. However. This might seem like the biggest non-committal answer possible, but I see

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread Allan Siegel
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Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread d . garcia
Before the digital cultures insurgency of the 1990s the previous decade had seen a similar burst of excitement around so called video art. Like "new media” or digital cultures movement the power of the video moment came from the breadth of its reach and multiple touch points in art, political

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-21 Thread Geert Lovink
Great postings, Brian, Molly, John and so many others. Lev or no Lev, the whereabouts of new media arts occupy us here, for a reason. From a political and personal perspective the opening up of a new communication medium offers unheard possibilities. Then things close down and the real