Re: Peter Weibel
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/ein-geistesgegenwaertiger-bazon-brock-zum-tod-von-peter-weibel-dlf-216f83df-100.html Brock is special, but thefre is something in it. Weibel was allways learning. He was a very political person. Very critical of TV revolutions. With Virilio on Rumania. And he was an actor too. See Wiener Brut with Peter Turrini etc. He did check tickets in the subway. H. Am 02.03.23 um 18:18 schrieb Timothy Druckrey: https://www.zeit.de/kultur/kunst/2023-03/peter-weibel-medienkuenstler-zkm-karlsruhe-tod https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/peter-weibel-dead-zkm-media-art-1234659384/ # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info:http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive:http://www.nettime.org contact:nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Extinction Internet
Am 24/11/22 um 20:20 schrieb Brian Holmes: > "Let’s stopbuilding Web3 solutions for problems that do not existand > launch tools that decolonize, redistribute value,conspire and organize." > > The emergent internet of the 80s and 90s with all its open potentials > was the radical machine that made transnational culture-sharing > possible. Its colonization by globalizing capital was launched with > social media (and so on). Usenet does still exist. A simple solution that works. Maybe not for everybody but maybe still the best of all possible worlds. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy
Am 11/01/21 um 13:59 schrieb Frank Rieger: > China is just another imperialist racist state that happens to be the enemy > of the other large imperialist racist state, the US. I can understand the > need for a shining beacon of hope for the left. China & Co. are not it. Isnt that life as usual? When I was in Malta two years ago for some mini-conference on movies in the net with Geert and others, thanks, there were some Chineses. From "Red China" and from other parts of Asia. And one of them started his reply with a reference to "white liberalism". We talk about religions as described by John Young some messages later and they just work. H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Stop the Steal
Am 16/11/20 um 19:22 schrieb Flick Harrison: The number of left anti-vaxxers I’ve encountered lately is indeed disheartening. A feminist woman I know weaves her critique of the patriarchal medical system seamlessly towards the conclusion that vaccines are a form of assault on women. The first Bill Gates conspiracy email I saw was from Cinema for peace. H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health
Am 22/03/20 um 20:33 schrieb Ana Peraica: > I can here imagine benefits in tracing victims in these unstable > times (severe weather, earthquakes for example), but also at moment > electronic monitoring of self-isolated COVID patients, not obeying > the command to quarantine, but also migrant crisis I suppose? Monitoring quarantine is special, it is more like catching thieves, you may get punished, but here is what happens in Singapore as far as tracing of. infections is concerned. They use an app and bluetooth. Everybody who was within a distance of 5 meters will be notified: https://www.axios.com/singapore-coronavirus-big-brother-bd7cec2b-eb47-4b49-a337-f4f4ecff57f2.html H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
Am 04/07/19 um 02:57 schrieb BishopZ: > Open Archives in return could lead > to legal risks in Germany, what do you do as a mailing list admin when > you face court injunctions to remove copyrighted or defamatory content > from list archives etc. You simply can't risk to let removed content pop > up again after an archive regeneration etc. Nowhere else? IMHO the standards for mailing lists were developped in BITNET. Open archives were the usual case. Then came jurisdiction in cyberspace and if you want to stay out of jail stay out of Germany. Germany is a difficult case. They never really leart how to be free. H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Fwd: Who’s *really* backing Boris?
Those examples dont convince me. He is surprisingly well organised. My anwser is "fox, fox, fox". As in Ernst Jandel and dope. And I tell them: remove the hunting ban first. H. << Onderwerp: openDemocracy has just revealed that the two frontrunners, Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, have *received £25,000 each from a prominent climate change sceptic.* Boris is yet to disclose the donation. We also know that Lynton Crosby’s controversial PR firm is running*a vastly expensive pro-Boris campaign*– but no one will say who’s picking up the bill. >> # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: The Guardian analysis/ Julian Borger on Assange's new indictment
Dear John and all, Am 24/05/19 um 13:22 schrieb John Young: > So too for researchers, academics, NGOs, even, pardon rudeness, these > very strutting, cowardly, verbose, media-quoting fora. But it was a very good article. And, as the black poet Amiri Baraka aka Leroy Jones once said: "You cannot insult establishment and expect it to give you rewards." To me the case is pretty clear. The national security of the US is not the national security of the UK or Sweden. You would have to argue that there is a common national security as in 5 eyes, but it is not in the law. And he isnt even accused of espionage against the UK. So it looks more like a legal experiment of the US. And so it comes to Al Hanson, the inventor of happenings: "I dont like artists who make other artists bad." For me Assage only contributed to the history of literature. All US diplomats are little Mark Twains. I thank him for that. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: rage against the machine
Dear all, the days of "direct democracy" v. "the few" are over. The days of a "movement" without "momentum". Why should the "vote" of "the people" matter? All talk as the Don would say. Am 30/03/19 um 22:20 schrieb John Young: > Was it not long known all communication is pornographic? Otherwise > nobody would be aroused to communicate while awaiting to fuck, or be > fucked by, a warm body, bidding time just masturbating alone from tyke > to tyrant. Godards "She does not talk" comes to mind. > > As seen here, the lonely habitual digitalization, quickies or > laborious. Googling oneself, maillisting, SMing, browsing, preaching, > teaching, groveling, adoring and citing the momentarily greatest aloners. > It can come in many ways. > Some senile frustrators argue its now, always had been, all kiddie > porn practiced like Trump and Pope Francis, et al. Machines aid, abet > and entice, hands on. The church is a part of life. Reality is stronger than fiction. H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: No evidence of digital wrong-doing...
Mystics. And different registers. IMHO you should also put the idea of "representativ democracy" v. "direct democracy" into question. The idea that the parliament is an enemy of the people is strange. It is first of all the enemy of the gouvernement. Whatever should be regulated by "direct democracy". This is not the main question. Best, H. Am 31/01/19 um 11:23 schrieb Felix Stalder: > You are absolutely right, these work in different registers, but I don't > think there is a clear hierarchical relations between them like in a > technological stack where one layer builds upon the other. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: notes from Brexania in limbo...
Am 18/01/19 um 12:08 schrieb David Garcia: > > Finaly its a pity all these thinkers I am referencing are men.. How > much of these neo-nationalist pathologies are man made…? There is no difference. I have a brother in London with a small freehold house and family and the mother of the best frtiend of his daughter asked after the Brexit: "What is the problem, you have to leave". They dont have to leave but this does not make it better. The Brexiters had a bigger problem that is a real problem of the EU as well. There are no Europeans, not even in the European parliament. The role of nations and democracy. Democracy in a nation is something else. A nation is more like a family. The EU has changed. It is not the EU it once was with very limited competences. It is directed towards a "superstate" that caqn do everything. And there are tensions. The Brexit was one answer to those tensions. The other answer would have been to make opposition from within the EU. See the Poles, Hungary, Italy, all other nations. Ok, wer can say that thzey are terrible and special but they are just Poles and Hungarians or Italians. Why should they not have another will than Brussels? Merkel will punish them? Nothing has changed under the sun. The present chaos is owed to the fact that the EU is also a reality. Facts have changed and not just the law. We have learnt in lawschool that an exit was impossible. This was not a question of law but of the facts. The legal freedom to leave did not change the facts. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: notes from Brexania in limbo...
Dear all, Am 28/01/19 um 07:15 schrieb Patrice Riemens: << True democracy is direct democracy, difficult to handle as it is. Representative democracy, unless representatives are kept at a short leash by their constituents - never mind how representative a first pass the post system is - is a snapshot at best, and an elected dictatorship at worst. >> I dont think this anymore. Democracy is about decisions. They shall not be made by one person. "Direct democracy" is not more than an opinion poll. Why should the "real majority" not be a dictator as well? And why should "the people" not cange their mind? Who will ask them then? And why should "the people" matter at all? But first of all "the people" have no place in the constitution as far as decisions are concerned. If constitutions matter. And why should "the people" be bound by a constitution? Or any rules of law? https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/ Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: notes from Brexania in limbo...
Am 18/01/19 um 16:48 schrieb James Wallbank: > > Thanks for this summary David, I'd suggest that it's broadly accurate. > > Some of you may have noticed that Brexit has pretty much incinerated > my social media presence (which used to focus on the impacts of > digital engagement and transformation on the arts, culture, and > locality,(plus a smattering of green issues). Now its focus is almost > exclusively the madness of Brexit, which I can only interpret as the > national equivalent of a nervous breakdown. > For me the basic problem is direct democracy as in referendum. And second referendum. It may be unpopular because direct democracy looks like the non plus ultra of democracy but Brexit shows that the non plus ultra of democracy is the sovereignty of parliament. Also as far as a second referendum is concerned. All that is necessary for "remain" is a decision by a simple majority of MPs. "Direct democracy", is this a fashion of politicians without responbibility or a principle of constitutional law of the UK? Like the sovereignty of parliament. Maybe we should rethink democracy once more. Is direct democracy good in all cases? Obviously not. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: "THERE IS NO PEACE WITHOUT DIGITAL PEACE" (Micosoft)
They are activ with this topic since two years or so. First in questions of law of armed conflict (LOAC), autonomous weapon systems, man in the loop or not. And the general topic that you quoted. But be real, what a blabla. People have no voice in such questions that are decided by states. As in the Geneva conventions and the additional protocolls. You cant expect more than LOAC. NATO has allready wrtitten that paper. The usual stuff. Dont kill more civilians than necessary for your military purpose. But ok, lets paint peace. Google does not want to participate in this run for better weapon systems. They dont want to kill. And the friends of those weapons say: Dont overlook the lifes of our soldiers that dont have to kill themselves. Here is something from todays Wapo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/darpa-head-on-ai-dangers-its-not-one-of-those-things-that-keeps-me-up-at-night/2018/12/06/6b6cb233-d840-46d1-931d-62153fda193d_story.html Best, H. Am 12/11/18 um 20:02 schrieb Geert Lovink: > > https://digitalpeace.microsoft.com/ > > "We are digital citizens—members of a thriving online global society. > We trust technology to help us do our jobs, create communities and > connect us. As digital citizens, we also share responsibility to > protect our interconnected space. > > We are more at risk than ever before from cyberwarfare. Governments > are using technology as a weapon, which can devastate people, > organizations, and entire countries. These attacks may start in the > digital space but can quickly spread to the physical world. We must > come together as digital citizens and call upon our world leaders to > create rules of the road that protect our digital society. > > We must demand Digital Peace Now." > > -- > > Dear nettimers, > > any comments on this? I find this pretty stunning. OK, 100 years after > World War I, that’s pretty significant. "Make love, not war." Today > there's conference in Paris. I am an anti-militarist, I am not on the > side of the corporate-governmental (cyber)warfare promotors. But in > general I am not against non-violent conflict. Should we demand > digital conflict? Or digital ‘struggle'? > > And what to make of the comments by US internet governance scholar > Milton Mueller? > > https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/11/09/the-paris-igf-convergence-on-norms-or-grand-illusion/ > > "The theory of international regimes identifies norm development as > the second step in a process of institutionalization. The first step > involves agreement on principles; that is, foundational facts about > the sector or domain to be governed. It is unfortunate, but true, to > say that all of the international calls for cyber norms have skipped > agreement on principles and are trying to promulgate norms despite a > huge, gaping chasm in the way states understand their role in > cyberspace. There will be no effective operationalization > of norms until there is agreement on the status of cyberspace as > a global commons, a non-sovereign space." > > Your messenger of peace, Geert > > > > > > > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: What does Trump get right?
Am 03/08/18 um 09:04 schrieb Brian Holmes: > But don't do it on Facebook, even if the actual human beings you love > are posting their children's pictures there. Because if you do, you > will contribute one more neuron to the marriage of the surveillance > state and monopoly capital. You can use if for whatever you want, the surveillance state aka "AI" is stupid and what matters is speed. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: here we go again -
Dear all, read Alans mail again and the topic reminds me to many old stories about the current POTUS again. What he did mean according to Sebastian and others. Fashism and worse and so on. For me it said more about Sebastian, for example, his kind of thinking. The Donald is probably unique. Not all people are the same. And that he did let Korea happen was good. The first time I agree with Pampeo. See the advisory opinion of the ICJ on the legality of nuclear weapons from 1995 at the end. The possession and even their use is legal in certain situations, when the survival of the state is in danger, but there is "an obligation to pursue in good faith and to conclude negotiations leading to nuclear disarmament in all its aspects under strict and effective international control", http://www.icj-cij.org/en/case/95 Am 06/05/18 um 05:17 schrieb Alan Sondheim: > > On Sat, 5 May 2018, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > >> Alan, >> >> Am 05/05/18 um 04:53 schrieb Alan Sondheim: >>> >>>> Isnt that in the story of the Tower of Babel? Maybe we should read it >>>> again. >>> >>> or the opposite, every thing and every one speaking exactly the same >>> digital terrain, the same protocols. even in one of 'my' areas of >>> interest, non-western instrumentation, the well-tempered western scale >>> and accompanying musics have been increasingly dominant. >>> >> >> But isnt this allready the end? The same protocols and no content. Well >> tempered. > > flat, absorbed - He is a stress-test for political institutions like the stress-tests of European banks. I still think this is true: >> That Donald was a present. He creates cases that we need. >> > He creates cases that brutally tear families apart - Yes. And he supports the Saudis in Yemen. We support them. What are the G7 dissens and his love for Russia compared to this? Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: please read - and how can this possibly be combatted?
Alan, Am 05/05/18 um 04:53 schrieb Alan Sondheim: > >> Isnt that in the story of the Tower of Babel? Maybe we should read it >> again. > > or the opposite, every thing and every one speaking exactly the same > digital terrain, the same protocols. even in one of 'my' areas of > interest, non-western instrumentation, the well-tempered western scale > and accompanying musics have been increasingly dominant. > But isnt this allready the end? The same protocols and no content. Well tempered. >> less pessimistic. What is that "knowledge" of fb? Cant we laugh about >> it? And what is new in our "mass-psychology"? What people may do one >> day? A question of speed? >> > depends on what knowledge or knowledging of fb one's concerned with - For marketing it may be better than nothing. But the rest is speculation. > >> There are some problems of dataownership that have mostly to do with >> sharing that data. What did Cambridge do wrong? They didnt pay. As if >> science would not be free. That Robert Mercer wrote an email in january that sounded very much like Timothy Leary... "Question authority"... Some of the opening questions of that Zuckerberg hearing were very good. Feinstein was very stupid. I like those details. Maybe a starter in the time of Babel. That Donald was a present. He creates cases that we need. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: please read - and how can this possibly be combatted?
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, sebast...@rolux.org wrote:: > compare, and should not be compared. But it's not hate speech that > worries me, it's the languages of desire, and what becomes of them > once they enter the grid of two hundred million. (9) Google "Jessi > Slaughter", for starters Am 28/04/18 um 18:34 schrieb Alan Sondheim: > I do wonder if hate speech isn't precisely the languages of desire? TV > advertising around here is now based on jealousy and putdowns - buy > this car and you'll triumph over your neighbors. Just the planting of > a seed - Isnt that in the story of the Tower of Babel? Maybe we should read it again. The human destinity? The Donald and what we thought of him were mostly reflections of ourselves and maybe it is the same here. One very old friend very deep in the pop-media-business once told me that fb is the first usable interface and I started to use it again. Maybe we should be less pessimistic. What is that "knowledge" of fb? Cant we laugh about it? And what is new in our "mass-psychology"? What people may do one day? A question of speed? There are some problems of dataownership that have mostly to do with sharing that data. What did Cambridge do wrong? They didnt pay. As if science would not be free. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Catalonia and mainstream opinion
Am 07/10/17 um 11:22 schrieb i...@conservas.tk: > In first place the most iconic moment for democracy is voting and the > media don't cover that well. That's (in my view) because we are not in > democracies anymore since long time ago. Sorry, there is no democracy outside of the constitution of Spain. Democracy is not do what you like -- however rotten Spain may be. If you dont like this go to Madrid. Nationbuilding has something to do with power as in the Kosovo. Catalonia has no NATO at its side. Whatever they declare, it is nothing, it is not the birth of a new law. And the excessiv policing during the vote was at least better than Spanish tanks on the streets of Barcelona as a reminder. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: A FIELD GUIDE TO THE SNOWDEN FILES > new BG, book out
Am 10/06/17 um 18:51 schrieb Heiko Recktenwald: > Am 09/06/17 um 13:02 schrieb Kristoffer Gansing: >> C'mon guys - has nettime really sunk so low as to offer such troll > Two argumenti ad hominem in one line -- and I Sorry, "he", which whom I could identify somehow easily. H. > did nothing but to > ask for a free PDF whoch is a reasonable question. How high is > Transmediale? But i agree that the many old works on paper were most > interesting in the last exhibition. <...> # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: A FIELD GUIDE TO THE SNOWDEN FILES > new BG, book out
Am 09/06/17 um 13:02 schrieb Kristoffer Gansing: > C'mon guys - has nettime really sunk so low as to offer such troll Two argumenti ad hominem in one line -- and I did nothing but to ask for a free PDF whoch is a reasonable question. How high is Transmediale? But i agree that the many old works on paper were most interesting in the last exhibition. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Digital leftism in a globalised world?
Am 28/01/17 um 08:40 schrieb Alexander Bard: >Because if it can be saved we can discuss taxation rather than trade >barriers. Distributed wealth is way way more benefitial for an >egalitarian society than trade barriers ever could be. And I insist on >that stance until I have seen proper arguments for the opposite. >Funnily I have searched for those atguments through the last 300 years >of economics literature and never found them. But I'm still all ears. >Until then I belong to the vast majority of Socialists who are in >principle pro free trade. Leftist Trumpism is just not my thing. > Maybe http://www.volksbuehne-berlin.de/deutsch/denkzeichen/ is what you are speaking of. Trade barriers are a very effectiv tool to give protection to local industries or to trash them as in Gaza. Equality as in "equal trade" aka "fairness" is between nation states. Political diversity, how can this be wrong? Best, H. i # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: geography of copyright
Sorry, I overlooked it: Am 19/06/16 um 14:46 schrieb Patrice Riemens: > On 2016-06-18 20:00, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: >> but the publishers in the East >> did trash their nicenst new books out of fear. >> >> H. >> > > And then, weren't a lot of Ossi-printed books burned, yes burned, I dont know. They did trash a lot. Dont think the West had anything to do with it. Sorry, there was no repetition, in contrary, Eastern and Western PC united as well. More or less... Best, H. H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Perceptual Deception
There must be more sensors for other "senses". Why not put some radar into it as well? Sonar, whatever. And the problem has gone without WWI. Pual Klee did start as a painter for this kind of airplane, btw. Best, H. Am 07/07/16 um 08:31 schrieb nettime's avid reader: > Robot War and the Future of Perceptual Deception > . > Geoff Manaugh, July 5, 2016 > > http://www.bldgblog.com/2016/07/robot-war-and-the-future-of-perceptual-deception/ > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Guardian > Pilkington: 4 ex-drone ops: drones are a
Am 19/11/15 um 17:25 schrieb nettime's_omniscient_narrator: > < > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/obama-drone-war-isis-recruitment-tool-air-force-whistleblowers > > <...> > >Bryant accepted that there was no negotiating with extreme, violent >terrorists of the type that carried out the Paris attacks. "But you >have to prevent such people being created," he said. "We validate them, >we keep this cycle going. Their children are afraid to play out in the >sun because that's when the drones are coming." This is not better than to say that Assad created ISIS and that he is to blame. ISIS is "the surge" and Assad is right..Listen to him. He knows the Lebanon and Syria better than the Guardian. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
"Oh Lord" after VW its Porsche
"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? My friends all drive Porsches, now they must make amends." Janis Joplin (modified) You must see this Porsche Cayenne commercial from 2007: https://vimeo.com/1713136 http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/02/vw-emissions-scandal-widens-to-include-porsche-claims-epa VW emissions scandal widens to include Porsche claims US Environmental Protection Agency claims carmaker installed defeat devices in vehicles with three-litre engines between 2014 and 2016 The Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal has deepened after US authorities accused the carmaker of installing defeat devices into luxury sports cars including Porsches. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which uncovered the initial emissions rigging at VW, claims the carmaker installed defeat devices in VW, Audi and Porsche vehicles with three-litre engines in models with dates ranging from 2014 to 2016. This marks the first time that Porsche, which is owned by VW, has been dragged into the scandal. It is troubling for the new chief executive of VW, Matthias Müller, because he ran Porsche before becoming boss of the group. The EPA has made the allegations after conducting further tests on diesel vehicles in the US since VW admitted in September it had used defeat devices to cheat emissions tests. The new allegations include the 2015 Porsche Cayenne as well as the 2014 VW Touareg and the 2016 Audi A6 Quattro, A7 Quattro, A8, A8L, and Q5. In total, it involves 10,000 vehicles in the US. In a statement VW denied it had fitted any devices on the vehicles. The statement said: “Volkswagen AG wishes to emphasise that no software has been installed in the 3-liter V6 diesel power units to alter emissions characteristics in a forbidden manner. Volkswagen will cooperate fully with the EPA clarify this matter in its entirety.” VW has already admitted fitting a defeat device to 11m vehicles worldwide, but this related to cars with smaller engines and did not include any Porsche cars or sports utility vehicles (SUVs). Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for the office for EPA’s enforcement and compliance assurance, said: “VW has once again failed its obligation to comply with the law that protects clean air for all Americans. All companies should be playing by the same rules. EPA, with our state, and federal partners, will continue to investigate these serious matters, to secure the benefits of the Clean Air Act, ensure a level playing field for responsible businesses, and to ensure consumers get the environmental performance they expect.” The EPA has issued a second notice of violation (NOV) of the Clean Air Act to VW as a result of its findings. VW faces fines of up to $37,500 per vehicle, which means an extra $375m (£243m) could be added to its penalities if it is found guilty. The company already faces a potential $18bn fine for the initial recall by the EPA in September of 482,000 VW and Audi cars. Richard Corey, executive officer of the California Air Resources Board, said: “On 25 September, the California Air Resources Board sent letters to all manufacturers letting them know we would be screening vehicles for potential defeat devices. Since then ARB, EPA and Environment Canada have continued test programmes on additional diesel-powered passenger cars and SUVs. These tests have raised serious concerns about the presence of defeat devices on additional VW, Audi and Porsche vehicles. “Today we are requiring VW Group to address these issues. This is a very serious public health matter. ARB and EPA will continue to conduct a rigorous investigation that includes testing more vehicles until all of the facts are out in the open.” The carmaker has put aside €6.7bn (£4.4bn) to meet the costs of recalling the 11m vehicles, but also faces the threat of fines and legal action from shareholders and customers. The company has hired the accountancy firm Deloitte and the law firm Jones Day to investigate who fitted the device into its vehicles. It is understood that the carmaker believes a group of between 10 and 20 employees were at the heart of the scandal. Martin Winterkorn stepped down as chief executive of VW as a result of the scandal. His replacement, Müller, last week vowed to be “ruthless in punishing those involved”, adding: “We are leaving no stone unturned to find out what exactly happened and to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.” # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 7
We had this Abu Graib high art discussion allready some years ago after Boteros works that were honest IMHO and just in time. Prompt, adequat and effectiv as far as art can be effectiv at all. It was Boteros language. He cpould not say it better. What Laurie Anderson does is just an esthetic experiment in a time when nobody cares anymore. It is just a spectacle, law history at best. A contemporary topic would be to ask why we call Assad a "bloodthirsty mass murderer" and still like remige changes allthough we know allready that all states are equal and we dont interfere into their own stuff. To put weapons into another country and to wait. Assad is not allowed to defend his state in our humbe opinion. This would go beyond Botero. H. Am 05/10/15 um 23:29 schrieb aindriu macfehin: "geriatric"? <...> # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: VW
Am 25/09/15 um 21:01 schrieb t byfield: > A few thoughts about the VW scandal > > The VW scandal may not seem very nettimish, but I'll argue that it is. > This'll take a while, because it is, as they say now, #epic. If you're > interested, read on. I completely agree but for a completely different reason. Maybe the German media theorists should look closer: > In a nutshell, over a period of at least a decade, VW systematically > set about designing, testing, implementing, maintaining, and upgrading > an undisclosed system that enabled its diesel cars to deceive > environmental regulators. The core of this system was software that > enabled a car to 'know' when it was being tested for emissions and to > dramatically reduce its emissions. VW claimed that it possessed some > magical technology that allowed its diesels to achieve high mileage > and low emissions without the need for a urea-based additive -- a > liquid that, like gasoline or engine oil, requires its own special > tank. Compared to diesels made by other manufacturers, VW's cars were > cheaper and less of hassle to operate and maintain, and their resale > value remained much higher. My point and the US code and the needs of the environement is not what VW did in the lab, but what it did later. It did what it did in the lab and later It turned those filters off. The US authorities did change parameters in the lab and found that cheating device. Lets call it a bug and the manager who did it a hacker. Things like this happen. My problem is that morals -- because I dont see any fraud -- shall decide the nature of the device. The US code says: Dont turn those filters off. Details at www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2014-06/documents/defeat.pdf The authorities say that they dont know anything of what cars are doing on the road and the nature of the regulation software is the regulation of filters. Wrong? IMHO there is a lot of confusion and legaly there may be nothing. The problem is the nature of regulation. There have been cases of cheating devices in the 90. See how those cases were solved in that text. There must be some cooperation. This is the way regulation works. We had holy rules but they were worth nothing. Everybody knew it and nobody did care. You cannot change this overnight however nobel your case may be. All other questions depend on it. You had a wonderfull characterisation of current Germany. Thanks you VW for the VW-library. Maybe "Das Skandal" should be less dramatized too. Please correct typos etc, thanks and best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?
Am 30/08/15 um 18:20 schrieb Eric Beck: > So while this new red-brown alliance might be effective, it's worth > asking who will benefit by being "half right." Doubtful it will be > migrants. The prospects for women, children, and queers is unlikely to > be too sunny under the rule of "right wing sovranist parties." > Retirees who will be impoverished by V et al's (...) I dont think it is true. That right wing parties have a good idea as well does not make an idea bad. The happiness of queers is not an economical problem that we are talking about and we dont kniow whether this would affect them anyway. And who should become a migrant for this? An own currency is not very nationalistic, see Poland, the UK etc, who know exactly why they still have it. A common currency makes commerce easier, profits are easier to calculate, and travels in certain cases, thats all. The income of retirees is not influenced at all. IMHO, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Germans begin the looting of Greece
Am 23/08/15 um 21:52 schrieb nettime's avid reader: The war is over; let the occupation begin. My friend from the Mojave-desert, a Greek Turk from a jewish family, expelled from Turkey to San Francisco in the 1920s, painted anyther picture last week in Berlin. The poor Greeks suffer in a completely different way.A Grexit would have saved Greece and nothing else. The majority of Greeks was for the Grexit. But the minority said: Then you have civil war. H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Germans begin the looting of Greece
Am 24/08/15 um 09:37 schrieb Heiko Recktenwald: Am 23/08/15 um 21:52 schrieb nettime's avid reader: The war is over; let the occupation begin. My friend from the Mojave-desert, a Greek Turk from a jewish family, expelled from Turkey to San Francisco in the 1920s, painted anyther picture last week in Berlin. And we also spoke about the Ukraine und the Krim. The Ukraine is also where most of the Jews in Germany today come from. I read Isaak Babel when I met some friend from the AJC some other day. I have my theory of possession of Savigny fame. Was there any possibility for the Ukraine to think it could now give the Crimean peninsula to NATO without any problem when Jelzin gave it its independence? Obviously not. And he was of the opinion that Erdogan would have invaded the Ukraine up to Kiew included and that Putin is a lame duck. That is not so wrong IMHO if you look into history books and the idea of one Ukraine with happy Ukrainians seems to be as realistic as it was in former YU. In his opinion most Ukrainians are Russians. But there is not much civil war as well. There is civil war in Beyrut in the Lebanon on junk. There are also protests against junk-tourism from Naples to Bonn, the junk problems in Beyrut and Naples are just bigger. H. The poor Greeks suffer in a completely different way.A Grexit would have saved Greece and nothing else. The majority of Greeks was for the Grexit. But the minority said: Then you have civil war. ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime New Pentagon manual declares journalists can be enemy
Am 21/08/15 um 19:44 schrieb nettime's_man_in_the_middle: The manual, for example, states that the only population that is due a warning of attack is civilians. The leaflets again. Those warning are necessary, but they dont change the proportionality of an attack, how many collateral damages are necessary (for example in Gaza). Legaly a civilian may ignore those warnings but then he may be dead. H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Franco Berardi 'Bifo': I refuse to visit Germany [two
Dear all, Am 24/07/15 um 12:50 schrieb nettime's msg collector: The heirs of the Hitlerian regime think they have the right to demand the punishment and impoverishment of Greek people (and of Italian Spanish Portuguese, Irish and French people) for the sake of the principle that rules cannot be transgressed. So what?? Why do you want the EURO and what do you want to do for it? This is basically what Germany asks. Schaeuble and V. could be a dream team. The comunists have allways been the dream of Western experts to reform the Greek state in the was the British did civilise Cyprus by colonisation. And if you are honest there might be some element of class struggle in it. If you dont need the EURO everything could be fine. If you are rich, you dont mind. If you are not so rich things could become more difficult in certain cases. Lets discuss those cases. Are they worth the accusations? Are they justified? Best, H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime 'fuck europe!' then what?
Am 20/11/14 12:42, schrieb Alex Foti: Europe is not a good sell. Not in Western Europe, not in Eastern Europe, and most particularly on the left, where accusations of eurocentrism and denunciations of the arbitrary political notion of Europe (where does it end? when did it start?) abound. The position, best argued by Streeck, that only by returning to the nation-state what's left of the left can hope to shelter citizens from the inequalities of global financial capitalism, seems to me nostalgic of the fordist age of (patriarchal and paternalist) social democracy. The nation is the place where we give us our own law. That is not applicable in other countries. On the other hand Europe is fine. It is pretty true that it makes very good law for consumers. It is a good idea to have some sort of rules all over the place. That all consumers can count on. And what is the EU? A group of nation states with some common rules. Not all are easy, so what? And I would say that the EU is even not so bad in the Ukraine crisis if you forget the language and concentrate on what it is really asking for. We should all come down. Best, H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime internet tax .hu
Hi, I am very sorry but this tax is not really much, the other side had allready proposed it, it was a left idea, whatever right and left still mean, and democracy is a very big word. Why do you blame the state for the fact that there is no real opposition in more serious questions? Maybe you should speak more with your neighbors. Cum grano salis, H. Am 29/10/14 00:42, schrieb Janos Sugar: Around 1rr00,000 Hungarians rally for democracy as internet tax hits nerve http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/28/us-hungary-internet-protest-idUSKBN0IH29M20141028 http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/cc8f9944-5b8e-11e4-81ac-00144feab7de.html#axzz3HTc1e5hH # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime MI5 spied on leading British historians for decades
Where is the problem? They were important enough that the MI5 was interested in their work. We live in a world of narratives and history is one of them. Everybody is playing the legitimity-game maybe because nobody has anymore any, so it was the duty of the MI5 to defend the UKs narrative. The UK is still the country of spindoctors -- and they dont pay taxes. H. Am 24/10/14 12:02, schrieb nettime's avid reader: MI5 spied on leading British historians for decades, secret files reveal Eric Hobsbawm and Christopher Hill had phones tapped, correspondence intercepted and friends and wives monitored ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
nettime Some remarks on the Kremlin's Side in the case of the Krimean peninsula
Hi, somebody from Hungary broadcasted some article in Foreign Affairs on the Krimean crisis and more all over Europe and beyond. On Spectre and on Nettime he linked the many sympathies for Putin in Europe, Pussy Riot is megaout in Berlin, to the rise of far-right-parties after the weak performance of the womenizer Hollande (as incredible as incredibility can be). Hollande is no Chirac with whom this trick did work. Why Europe's Far Right Is on the Kremlin's Side. Whatever the situation in Hungary may be, all cases are different. To be on the Kremlin side in the case of the Kremean it is enough to notice the reality.Please read Art. 111 of the constitution of the Ukraine. And please read the Kosovo-case of the ICJ. There is no need for any right to a sesession, it must only happen and may not be an act of agression. But in civil war all sides can have friends and the friends of Kiew were present only on paper. The constition of the Ukraine does not matter in Public International Law anyway. Putin just couldnt resist to take the present that was offerend to him. And please notice that the Krimean was under military occupation all the time, 25.000 troops were the limit which is far beyond the personal neccessary for the protection of the naval bases. Not to mention the context of the transfer of the Krimean to Ukraine, that was not much more than paper as well. Best, H. Am 29.03.2014 15:06, schrieb Janos Sugar: European parliamentary elections, which are scheduled for the end of May, are expected to result in a strong showing for the far right. Brussels strategists worry that 20 percent of members of the new European parliament could be affiliated with parties that wish to abolish the EU, double the current number. http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies __ SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe Info, archive and help: http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world
Andreas: can be effective in any way if performed in such privatistic ways as suggested in HME's rules.) Thats what I thought too -- and I think it is completely impossible and not even a topic worth to be discussed. The article was not even good as a shameless plug for this terrible pathetic social democratic former bookseller who wants to rule the EU. What a nonsense and what a megastrange souvereingty language for a social democrat? Such language was until now used only in the German far right (where it is the only important motivation except to have fun by provocations). Best, H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference
Very good question. And why is the NSA bad? I read their budged and I liked it. Am 26.10.2013 20:44, schrieb morlockel...@yahoo.com: Why is surveillance bad? How does it affect one's life in unambiguous terms? What really happens to the victims of surveillance? They dont have to write CVs anymore. A bigger problem are personalised news and oversimplification. Computers and human dignity. We are all unique, arent we? H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Naomi Wolf: This global financial fraud and its gatekeepers (Gu...
Shure, but psychology plays a role in those wars as well. The psychologty of terror. Of permanent war without end. Interests and drones everywhere. See also the psychology of the renaming of the Westbank Syria is a very good example as well. Are there freedom lovers against a bloody dictator or is it just A against B with B being the perfectly legal gouvernement? The role of Mrs. Clinton, the role of talking and not talking with the other side. The blame game. To win hearts and minds at home. Wars are allways fought for political reasons and politics and psychology go very close together. For what reason do the usual streefighters -- fresh from Iraq and Afghanistan from the beginning -- fight in Damaskus now? Ownership of the capital or to touch it has a psychological advantage. H. Am 19.07.2012 03:11, schrieb Keith Sanborn: Sorry, guns are in very high fashion. Go to Syria, Afghanistan, Waziristan… this war as solely the war on desire is one of the root misapprehensions of high capitalism, perhaps a product of that very propaganda. Not that it doesn't supplement the wars fought with guns. But Industry didn't disappear, it just moved to East and South Asia, where working conditions are militarized on a scale the 19th century steel magnates of PGH cd only have dreamed of. The fields of battle have moved back to former colonies: Africa and South Asia and are coming soon to a demonstration near you. Do you ever listen to the daily news from Africa? You are living on Fantasy Island, boss. And apparently you did not witness OWwherever police tactics (physical high and low tech ones as well as information technology based ones) first hand. ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime stories of boats4 people
Am 14.07.2012 22:28, schrieb Geert Lovink: ... Last year, in March 2011, 63 people who had left Tripoli in the attempt to reach the Southern shores of Italy, died after drifting for 14 days at sea. This incident occurred during the international military intervention in Libya and as such in meticulously surveilled waters. Nothing is not surveilled, sorry. We have to distinguish between people who have reached the coast of Italy and those who have not. Everybody who reaches the coast is safe and welcome. I dont have any reasons not to believe the state of Italy. Mama Roma. But war is war and not the first time, to put it mildly. Best, H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime The (Letter-) Post Office's last stand ... in Florida(WSJ)
Erich M. wrote: On 03/30/2012 01:57 PM, John Young wrote: The postal system remains the most secure public communication system for all its faults and invasive letter opening and craven cooperation with official spies and their corporate cohorts. Servus John et al, Ack to all you wrote with a single exception, squire John. The first paragraph ought to be in past tense. But this shows only how unrealistic you are: I just started digging into that topic, what I already know is: Address scanning/reading in, applying 2-D Codes and timestamps at every stage of transportation. Amen! In most cases they dont read your mail. Yes, traffic data is important, but it is not everything, it could be much worse. H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
On the other hand it could be a good way to dicuss what is non.art etc. The internet is a game, H. Am 09.03.2012 21:52, schrieb Rob Myers: On 08/03/12 16:13, miltosmane...@gmail.com wrote: I absolutely agree. .art is simply ridiculous, who wants to be called .art? Various of my bots, and several projects I have in mind to critique the prevalent informal institutional theory. :-) - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
IMHO one should never call oneself an artist, .art is .kitsch Only onthers may call one an artist. Well, it could be a space of art-dealers (behind bars!), but that would give it some drive into .art and not.art, which could ne the most important domainname, that I claim here and now as a creativ work, may other reserve themselves the retro net.art. Art is a no.word, let others like it, dont support it in any case, H. Am 07.03.2012 19:19, schrieb Desiree Miloshevic: Armin - thanks for helping out here and explaining I was going with my email. Ted, it's been a while, but I hope you still have time to follow ICANN let us know what you think of the latest ICANN gTLD process. As I've been working on .art for some time - am interested to see if we could mobilize artists to pledge: a) written support b) crowd source donations for the application fee (185,000 USD), c) between 10-100 USD per person or any close number to that. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
nettime From the brave new world
From the brave new world Fatemah Farag http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/1079 I am in Dubai. At the Atlantis Hotel, to be precise, where top Arab media professionals are meeting over aquamarine and orange carpets, under sea-shell motif chandeliers at the invitation of the Dubai Press Club. The occasiona is the Ninth Arab Media Forum. It is in many ways a surreal experience: sky scrapers break through the arid landscape, the Gulf waters are placid, shrouded in what seems to be a constant layer of steam; the still night air always carries hints of sound that reminds one of Dubai's round-the-clock construction. Within the ballrooms where the conference is taking place, the theme is Shifting Mediascape: Inspiring content, expanding reach. We kicked off this morning with three workshops and those who weren't too interested in the development of Kuwaiti media or the coverage of natural disasters found themselves in the crowds that filled the Citizen Journalism: Challenging the unnamed source session with me. Anwar el-Hawary, chief editor of Al Ahram Al Iqtisadi magazine, heated up the session by describing citizen journalism as a fad railroading the media industry---almost as a threat that needed to be pushed back. One Saudi journalist retorted that in fact the credibility of traditional media who were feeding their audience fabricated news was the threat to the profession that needed to be pushed back. Throughout the session, I could not help but be surprised that traditional meant state-controlled mass media, whereas non-traditional meant blogs and citizen journalism. Participants acted as though these divides have not, in the last few years, been constantly reworked within international journalism. Traditional print media has moved to the internet. Its main competitors are now bloggers and social networks. It only follows that to compete, traditional journalism must adapt the tools of the trade. This is not just about using Twitter, iPhones and other technical aspects of the revolution that has taken our business over. It is about reconceptualizing how we work, what formats we use--like my blogging now--and what sources we can incorporate into our coverage. The hope is that this is a more democratic and, consequently, more informative format. And those media organizations that are serious about embracing this brave new world must put time, effort, thought, and resources into developing sophisticated guidelines to incorporating user generated content, training citizen journalists, and adapting the trades of our profession. But in all of this we must never lose sight of the essential rules of high quality journalism should never be compromised: honesty, balance, research, credibility, and ethics. These are the hallmarks of our profession at its best and they should never be compromised. Herein lies the true nature of the challenge. http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/41012 H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime My Lawyer is an Artist
Hi Am 11.11.2011 14:23, schrieb Aymeric Mansoux: It is in fact a crucial stage. By doing so, the author allows her or his work to interface with a system inside which it can be freely exchanged, modified and distributed. The freedom of this work is not to be misunderstood with gratis and free of charge access to the creation, it means that once such a freedom is granted to a work of art, anyone is free to redistribute and modify it according to the rules provided by its license. There is no turning back once this choice is made public. This is IMHO pure nonsense. IMHO nothing can stop a pruducer from changing his mind for the future. Why should it be the way you imagine? What should be the reason for such a limitation (no turning back) of his freedom? Can you show me, sorry, ONE case where a court has decided in your way? This artist is a lawyer, very best, H. The licensed work will then have a life of its own, an autonomy granted by a specific freedom of use, not defined by its author, but by the license she or he chose. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime [sondh...@panix.com: WHAT'S HAPPENING TO US? / The Sound of Irene]
Dear Alan, Am 28.08.2011 11:32, schrieb nettime's_digestive_system: Please look at http://www.alansondheim.org/skypejunk.jpg Why cant you ignore it??? http://www.alansondheim.org/irene5.mp3 I am trying to reverse engeneer the original: The meter records very low frequency audio, from around .4 hz to 200. The audio was raised two octaves; the result is boring! Sorry to say it. I want to hear the original which should be extremly simple but today tools like audacity are much to elaborated to make it possible as simple as it should be. Those are real probölems for me, thanks for Irene anyway, best, H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Emblem for the International Criminal Court: Iustitiae Languor
Am 02.08.2011 15:08, schrieb Tjebbe van Tijen: Indictment for Gaddafi but not (yet) for Assad makes one wonder It is NOT the business of the ICC to protect human rights but to punish certain crimes and those crimes are in the same sphere of international politics as the UNSC and Assad. International penal law may have played a good role in the case of former Yougoslavia but in general it is political kitsch. Artist should not contribute to this. One does not need the example of Assad to laugh about the indictment against Gaddafi, the case of Bashir is enough. Some years ago everybody was talking of Empire. Who is more to blame for the massacres in Sudan, Bashir or those who gave weapons to the people in the South? There are terrible things happening everywhere but international penal law is not the answer. We have to compare cases, as you did with Gaddafi and Assad, and do what is doable on an equal basis. As the Romans said of the law: Est autem a iustitia appelatum: nam, ut eleganter Celsus definit, ius est ars boni et aequi (D. 1, 1, 1, pr.), H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Mocking the Arts Establishment? In Italy it can be an expensive ordeal.
Am 06.07.2011 17:50, schrieb marc garrett: Mocking the Arts Establishment? In Italy it can be an expensive ordeal. To act illegal is allways a risk. Artists are not priviledged. To mock the establishment is perfectly ok, Italy has a tradition of that, Dario Fo etc, so what were the details of the case? The details of the case are much more important than a call to emotions. Without those details no effectiv solidarity is possible. H. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
