Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-17 Thread sebastian
> On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Iain Boal wrote: > > > On 14 Jun 2020, at 02:40, sebast...@rolux.org wrote: > > > > "... i'm not a historian, but i'm certain > > that when columbus set foot in the americas, he came with the best > > intentions, and even the spanish probably didn't arrive with

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-15 Thread Iain Boal
On 14 Jun 2020, at 02:40, sebast...@rolux.org wrote: "... i'm not a historian, but i'm certain that when columbus set foot in the americas, he came with the best intentions, and even the spanish probably didn't arrive with the primary motive to just kill everyone. but they did." If it is the

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-14 Thread sebastian
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Max Herman wrote: > Neither political party in the US is really denying climate change or racial > inequality much these days. There is bipartisan support for green > infrastructure initiatives to help reboot the economy, a green deal if not a > new one, and

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-14 Thread Max Herman
Hi Felix, This morning I was thinking about the idea of turning points so to speak, and whether the course of current events may be "breaking" one way or a different way. Perhaps the courses of events are a bit like flowing water, where there can be turbulence because of an obstacle that

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-09 Thread oliver lerone schultz
... waking up is a longer term process; and there is (always) the long tail of several systemic watch dogs: Police unions dig in as calls for reform grow https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/police-union-reform-protests/index.html though strategically I (chose to) share your optimistic

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-05 Thread Siraj Izhar | publiclife
There is a lot there on re. what exactly is breaking? but to be brief on this from Molly: Still even the poorest in socialist Europe don?t have to steal to go to a doctor... well, there is a large 'ghost' population here who work but who have no such rights per se (in some regions 90

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-05 Thread tbyfield
Felix – I know Castells casts a long shadow in your thought, but not so much in mine. It isn't an accident that systemic thinkers emerged in some cultures, like Castells in Spain and the Annalistes in France, but not so much in others. US intellectualism isn't known for its rigorously

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-05 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
concerning filming the police, I just read: "Why filming police violence has done nothing to stop it" https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/06/03/1002587/sousveillance-george-floyd-police-body-cams/ excerpts: A large study in 2017 by the Washington, DC, mayor’s office assigned more than a

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread Dan S Wang
Dear Felix, With this refreshed invitation, I’ll take a stab at keeping the conversation going. As for breaks, ruptures, and discontinuities, I wonder about Nixon’s Silent Majority, about whether it exists anymore. When Trump finally emerged from his bunker, his retreat from White House

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread Douglas Bagnall
On 3/06/20 5:48 am, tbyfield wrote: > everything as *broken* is a world in the past tense; all you can do is > *rebuild* — another word that tracks "is broken" with almost hilarious > precision... > > >

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread Molly Hankwitz
This is fascinating response. It’s getting harder here to be a journalist or to take pictures, but we still believe we can. Sometimes I think the sheer number of images, for instance, just yesterday on Twitter, of NYPD beating bicyclists and medical workers out after curfew - because the order was

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread Molly Hankwitz
> that > are broken (and hence in need of fixing) Thank you but about historical discontinuities, about possible breaks with > established patterns that open up space for new dynamics, for the better or > worse. We are feeling the answer to this with every protest, and all the looting and

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread McCorkle T. Diamond
As an observer of the last 45 years in U.S. and local politics (NYC) I'd propose that "what's breaking" is the denial by the average white privileged person that the status quo is fair, equitable, and just for all citizens not just them. McCorkle Terence Diamond www.terencediamond.com

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread Siraj Izhar | publiclife
I watched the Cornell West interview at DemocracyNow https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/1/cornel_west_us_moment_of_reckoning where he says the failed social experiment that is America is breaking apart. But more troubled than ever by the Americanising of this or, using Trump as a prop, when

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-04 Thread Felix Stalder
On 02.06.20 19:48, tbyfield wrote: > These kinds of language games aren't as silly as they might seem at > first glance, because pop phrases like that hint — as if through a glass > or scanner darkly — diffuse assumptions about where we see ourselves > historically. A world where people are

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-02 Thread tbyfield
to have now taken an even darker turn, compounding all the simmering structural violence into something, well, into what? Approaching civil war? There are certainly enough heavily-armed militias around who are clamoring for it. Is this a breaking point, and if so, what exactly is breaking? In asking

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-02 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
As an Austin resident, I'm sure your analysis is generally spot-on. However I'm not clear how it explains why there was looting and burning here in Austin. You didn't quite make the connection. On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:39 AM EduAustin Alliance wrote: > > Sorry to be overly Marxist about it, but

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-02 Thread EduAustin Alliance
Sorry to be overly Marxist about it, but here's my .02 -- The case in Minneapolis, the killing of George Floyd, was the result of a bad apple - a story of one officer who took things too far, and the spoiled bushel around him that enabled his crime. That's not the case in Austin.

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-02 Thread Brian Holmes
Steve, fabulous to hear back from you and your last one clarifies your viewpoints. Obviously I'm sort of a "professional optimist" to the extent that I try to engage with what's going on, learn from it, add to it if I can, and if it's positive, try to help it go somewhere. Here's a point which

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread Charlie Tokowitz
From outside Chicago - think it may be time to skip town very soon Charlie Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Kurtz, Steven wrote: > > Brian, I have long admired your optimism and fighting spirit, but I just > find it difficult to think that structural change is coming soon.

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread Kurtz, Steven
Brian, I have long admired your optimism and fighting spirit, but I just find it difficult to think that structural change is coming soon. Regarding the George Floyd case, we haven't even been able to get the accessories to murder charged and the murderer is miles from conviction. Given the

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread sebastian
And I know this is kind of lame, but... what if the breaking we're seeing is > the first rearticulation of what is going to evolve into a broad, radical, > international movement, one whose scope, diversity and determination will > surpass even the revolts of the 1960s, committed to end the

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread Max Herman
Hi all, Another day of vigorous, dignified protest but the looting and arson have abated greatly (knock on wood). There was a frightening incident with a semi-truck but there were only minor injuries and great heroism was shown by many. The son of someone I knew in grade school showed some

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread sebastian
> On May 31, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Felix Stalder wrote: > > what exactly is breaking? the short answer is, of course, the patience of people who keep getting murdered. but this is not new. see london 2011, athens 2008, paris 2005. WHITE SILENCE = CONSENT, but also WHITE

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
Folks, thank you for these insightful reflections on the situation in the US; I would like to come back to a point that Felix made in his initial question: I, like probably most nettimers, I have been observing the fracturing of the US with increasing horror (knowing that Europe, over the last

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread Max Herman
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Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-06-01 Thread Brian Holmes
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 5:26 PM Kurtz, Steven wrote: > Is anything breaking? No, nothing is breaking. The structure is > safe in spite of this uprising being more multi-racial and class > diverse than any I have ever seen. The two systems of law will stay > in place. The law will be biased in

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-05-31 Thread Kurtz, Steven
Hi Felix, First, the big picture: Covid 19 has really messed things up. The US has 40 million unemployed people. Most folks are one degree away from someone who has died, and there is no coherent strategy to slow and eventually stop the pandemic. People are angry just as a base line. The US is

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-05-31 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Felix Thank you for writing at this time...can’t speak for Europe, but here it’s revolution. Canada sometimes seems to feel protests there follow protest here...do these expectations of American influence preclude honest revolt against racism which is present in other countries? Protest is what

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-05-31 Thread Max Herman
ix Stalder Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 5:27 AM To: nettime-l Subject: what exactly is breaking? I, like probably most nettimers, I have been observing the fracturing of the US with increasing horror (knowing that Europe, over the last 70 years, has usualled followed the US, for good and bad). With th

Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-05-31 Thread Menno Grootveld
Dear all, Well, if you ask me, these are the early skirmishes of a new Civil War. But actually I would say that the first Civil War never really ended and certainly was not won by the North (as we all have been led to believe). As to your question of what exactly is breaking

what exactly is breaking?

2020-05-31 Thread Felix Stalder
all the simmering structural violence into something, well, into what? Approaching civil war? There are certainly enough heavily-armed militias around who are clamoring for it. Is this a breaking point, and if so, what exactly is breaking? -- | || http://felix.openflows.com