On 2021-01-18 13:42, Felix Stalder wrote:
So, what exactly is the lesson that China holds for "us", that is,
cultural/knowledge workers
While these questions hold promise, it feels to me like the precondition
is that cultural/knowledge workers in the west stop carrying water for
US
> Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy
Some people have said that January 6 turned out to be, for many of the
participants, little more than a photo op. In 1998, Paul Virilio said “the
great ‘danger to the system’ is no longer that of the bankruptcy of
companies or banks in a chain reaction, such
Nettimers,
I’ve no idea of the identity of the sinomane telecommunist (‘Kleiner') defiling
this conversation, or their whereabouts, or their condition (though the
aggressive logorrhoea is suggestive). However, to call Brian’s profound - and
profoundly open, generous, and dialogical -
Notes:
- I'm an unknown, illegitimate, defiler with a mania for china.
- Brian is a profound ubermench whose invoking of stalin and hungary
where totally relevant.
- The mods should intervene to silence me.
Just a coincidence that none of these folks, supposedly interested in
dialogical
For some time it was kind of entertaining to read something which seems totally
out of time, like from the 1980s. It seems like it's going to go on like this
for ever. We are all going to get insulted until "strategic ‘intervention' from
our moderators" takes place.
I stopped reading it but
"iterate forward" is promisingly constructive action. Not so much
name-callingly destructive "sinomane telecommunist."
Demanding moderators to regulate is hardly insightful, more
inciteful, downright spiteful.
My cognita wistful at paralyzing ad homina.
So say, this forum must not suppress
On 16.01.21 17:40, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
> You can't do "a China" in your country. You can, however, work to
> improve the conditions of people in your country, while working against
> the aggression of your country abroad.
Yes, obviously we cannot, and should not, "do" China. In the same way
Dear Iain,
I'm not sure whether it adds anything to the discussion, but I've experienced
this before.
I am on a mailing list for alumni of a particular house at my undergraduate
university. One particular contributor to this list has unleashed (and
continues to do so) an unending stream of
Indeed, The horrors of Joseph Conrad:
The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
Saboteurs
On 2021-01-18 19:11, John Young wrote:
"iterate forward" is promisingly constructive action.
"Discover the truth through practice, and again through practice verify
and develop the truth. Start from perceptual knowledge and actively
develop it into rational knowledge; then start from
Well said. Concur. Agree. Whew. Where is Ted?
At 02:26 PM 1/18/2021, you wrote:
Geoffrey Goodell wrote:
"So, I must ask: Is it possible that our pseudonymous contributor is
deliberately seeking to exploit our respect for anonymous speech as a way to
undermine our forum?"
I've met Dmitry, he
Hi, everyone -
Watching this curiously as I re-acclimate to being back in the United States
after 5 years based in the UAE, but engaged in thinking across the Caucusus,
Turkey, Armenia/Azerbaijan, the I-place, and the Central Asian -Stans, and a
tiny bit of China.
Being that I
Geoffrey Goodell wrote:
"So, I must ask: Is it possible that our pseudonymous contributor is
deliberately seeking to exploit our respect for anonymous speech as a way to
undermine our forum?"
I've met Dmitry, he is an actual person, well known in Berlin, involved in
practices relevant to this
folks, i know that there are peace negotiations under way among left
intellectuals and activists on this list; i hope they will be fruitful.
i find it unbearable though to see untenable claims of "mccarthyism"
made against somebody who just stays in an argument, when anybody in his
right
All right, but which one? The CPC?
I thought I have to be a migrant worker in China to really understand the true
emancipatory nature of the CPC. Else I can neither criticise them nor follow
them. Because ignoring China is not an option either. We are all lost.
So it all ends up in a double
On 2021-01-18 20:26, Brian Holmes wrote:
Why don't we all just cool out? I am glad to bury the hatchet. It's
also possible to simply not read what one has no patience for.
Yes, and when we talk in person, social cues, back channel and nonverbal
communications enrich the dialog, reducing the
on
> Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
> Saboteurs
> Provocateurs
> Informants
> Recruiting
> Surveillance
> Scare Tactics
> Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
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Time for us all to be useful idiots, and follow the Party line!!
Joe.
> Le 18 janv. 2021 à 19:01, Roman Seidl a écrit :
>
> For some time it was kind of entertaining to read something which seems
> totally out of time, like from the 1980s. It seems like it's going to go on
> like this for
OK, John, apologies. Mistakes were made. I was not feeling well. I now
recognize my "name-calling destructiveness”. I retract "sinomane”. Would
“sinophilic” meet your approval? As for “telecommunist”, you surely noticed,
it's their self-description!
Those nettimers, stakhanovite heroes and
I am sure you heard last week's joke, Iain:
"Due to the pandemic, the United States decided to have its coup at home
this year."
Has anyone heard one about the Green Zone?
cheers, BH
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 5:33 PM Iain Boal wrote:
> OK, John, apologies. Mistakes were made. I was not feeling
On 2021-01-18 23:47, Allanmini2 wrote:
What is also unbearable is someone who name drops revolutionary and
theoretical icons (gee, how did you miss Rosa Luxemburg or Nelson
Mandela, etc. etc. Dmytri?) as if the names alone qualify you to
continue with unbearably one dimensional verbiage about
On 2021-01-18 23:11, podinski wrote:
But i am going to move on, without feeling too abused this time... it
was simply ear-less mansplaining + more-radical-than- you attitude...
at
a pretty belligerent level ! And i can laugh a little more about it now
!
Once again, you come in with insults
On 2021-01-18 21:09, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
i find it unbearable though to see untenable claims of "mccarthyism"
made against somebody who just stays in an argument, when anybody in
his right mind should know that we must reserve the "mccarthy"
reference to cases where livelihoods are
Hello
Thank you Andreas!
What is also unbearable is someone who name drops revolutionary and
theoretical icons (gee, how did you miss Rosa Luxemburg or Nelson
Mandela, etc. etc. Dmytri?) as if the names alone qualify you to
continue with unbearably one dimensional verbiage about strategies for
On 2021-01-18 19:22, Geoffrey Goodell wrote:
Every now and then,
people talk of forcing his removal, but for various logistical reasons
this
seems not to be possible, and moreover the other people on the list
want to
profess openness to debate.
[...]
So, I must ask: Is it possible that
Dmytri, for me, the conversation stops here:
> However, as we all know, the government of China enjoys broad support
> from it's people.
> After all, by every measure they are doing better
> than we are in terms of getting what they want from their government.
I'm not in the "we" group of your
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