If it's a fight against machines, let's do La Jetee/Terminator/12
Monkeys all the way:
What *is* the future like if machines win? What is it like if
they lose? No one talks about that. The projections of future are
nonexistent, from any side. The future has collapsed to the next 7
days.
Gone
The imposed stupidification and mass production of Deltas works when
wealth distribution is contigent on having majority of population
operate on manufactured needs, in the resource-abundant environment.
The energy-poor future, if that is indeed the relevant one (it sounds
like the last hope of
I'm referring to the fact that deferring decisions to quantum throw of
dice (evolution) or to a deity makes no difference. What is going on
appears to be massive setting of the scene for Something to happen.
Like a pagan ritual. Or cargo cult in the best case - we have all the
elements of
There are logic flaws here.
If system X is found untenable by its subjects because of the demands it
imposes on those subjects, then requiring that the departure from X must be
conditioned by first fulfilling all these demands first, is ... silly.
Incidentally, X does work like Hotel California,
And how exactly is selling access to the pussy fundamentally different
from selling access to the brain?
A precarious intellectual worker may have, out of dispair, to sell
access to his brain to do some inane academic papers to further the
official ideology, or to do some computer programming to
Several replies indicate wide-spread religious attitude towards intellect, a
brain-body separation reminiscent of the traditional theories of language
before biolinguistics put them out of business.
Writing inane papers involves very physical changes in the brain, some more
some less
It's not the economic pressure as much as it's the Clumping Effect:
there appears to be a biological predisposition for humans to clump in
larger ... clumps.
Setting up a separate home mail server, with its own domain,
practically unsubpoenable and unspiderable, or home node of a
distributed
Art traditionally ends up in the wrong hands, there is no inherent
problem with this.
Thinking ahead, it will be so much more amusing if Dow or Mattel
snatch .art (barbie.art is worth $200K by itself), than some 'body'
composed of pompous internationally-recognized benevolent and
independent
Help is on the way.
While the real cause of the coming real war is to fix the economy, there is a
convenient and liberating side effect: flattening of life expectancy
distribution. Everyone will be (realistically) looking at few more years to
live. Democracy at its finest. You'll feel young
This is utter BS.
Information in the brain is stored in the discrete form, most likely in 6-bit
words:
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002421
and is processed in a very discrete manner.
Equating information processing modes with semantics/politics/philosophy
If you want to dispute that information in the brain is stored in discrete form
(in some continuous analogue format, like that chick has a bit nicer ass
than the other chick, but I can always put a third ass between them), then
you'll have to come up with a better alternative to quantum
The rule of the thumb appears to be that anyone deriving income via ICANN is
ultimately a crook.
After .art is cashed in, we will have:
.realart
.postmodern
.abstract
.digitalart
.kunst
.modern
.miro
Or maybe you will trust them, again, that they won't do it?
ICANN simply figured out how to
The latest injection of the fake New York Times op-ed article may be signaling
a new wave of (ab)use of an inherent architectural feature in today's world
wide web: the wide adoption of end-user MLM schemes (aka social networks,
the world's biggest Tupperware parties) means that most
Posts asking for money always have the same point - money - and this uniformity
does not seem compatible with nettime.
It hurts the entropy.
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2-4 minutes times 4,000 is 130-260 brain-hours, at average 10W/brain it comes
to 1.3-2.6 KWh. Human energy source is more expensive than electricity, so this
is likely $15-30 hard cash per moneyspam considering only energy costs. If you
add maintenance, housing and lost brain cycles, it goes
Eutanasia is euphemism for the transgression of the popular taboos
regarding suicide.
The general public's inability to deal with the concept of suicide
breaks down when it become obvious, all the way down to the lowest
cretins, that the poor thing is suffering too much, an if the
poor thing had
Vice may be our only chance.
The problem is really not the capitalism. The problem is that we are too
efficient.
In the first world only 10-15% need to work to provide all goods and
services. The fact that the rest is not happy with unemployment employs another
20% in various thugs with guns
Oh yes they can:
- writing
- firearms
- electricity
It's just that a new sushi app (unrelated to sashimi app), which is
considered 'technology' today, is not of the same order of fundamental
magnitude.
Digital bearer instrument that manages to penetrate commerce without being
squashed early on,
This is a natural extension of in-house corporate brainwashing of
employees (disbursing faith as part of remuneration in lieu of cash)
into precarious we-are-all-freelancers marketplace.
Some employees buy it, and some freelancers will buy it.
Sharing and collaboration are often touted as the
Desktop publishing, now 20+ years old, had the same false premise.
Ability to typeset and print at home did not change publishing world
much. The same big publishers are making the same money today, and
choose what they want to print in pretty much the same way.
What changed is that you don't
It's the culture clash. The A/T (action/talk) ratio in 'hacker' space is orders
of magnitude above that on nettime.
To the general question why are hackers not responding?
Interesting, they do not tend to do that in general to actions of other
people. Most people I spoke did not find it that
It has nothing to do with 'digital' and everything to do with
productivity and near-zero friction distribution.
No one needs 95% of 'producers' in the culture industry. The 5%
are giving us all we need (and only tiny fraction of these 5% are
employed by MSM - the rest are independents catering
You mean vigorous typing on the keyboard and determined tweeting aint't it?
It seems that interactions with corporate disks (which is what 99% of
social computer usage today is) are modern variants of praying.
Surveillance networks are just priests in the confessionals.
Does a prayer work?
The premise of smart contracts ("legally incorporated programs that
are at arms length from their programmers" that "core developers"
like to blather about) is nothing new: it is to create an additional
insulating mechanism between the victims and the perpetrators, for the
benefit of the latter.
The simple question is: do privacy tools need to have rapist-free origin?
If the answer is positive, and the kosher tool origin is in (for the
politically correct change of the world, unmarred by questionable
characters), then we will not have non-corporate suppliers of privacy
tools. See how
This would be good first step, even before decentralization - mandate
that only open source can be delivered to the consumer, including
ability for the consumer to *practically* decrypt and unpack all
communications to/from consumer. I can't believe I'm agreeing with rms.
On 7/24/16, 19:11,
Looks like 5.5% of the 'community' voted, with 25% of the 'fork' votes
coming from the single account:
http://elaineou.com/2016/07/18/stick-a-fork-in-ethereum/
While there, check out the proposal to modify Bitcoin so that Silk Road
operator gets back his money:
> I would like to push forward this idea: we will develope to be an
> automaton-society. Mashinery will do a more and more growing part of
> everything that has to be done to create good and sustainable living
> conditions for everyone.
This seems to be the case - human work is getting redundant
https://overland.org.au/2016/08/trump-fascism-putin-and-wikileaks-the-anatomy-of-a-liberal-nervous-breakdown/
Trump, fascism, Putin and Wikileaks: the anatomy of a liberal nervous
breakdown
By Olivier Jutel
8.Aug.16
Most presidential election cycles are dispiriting for the Left. As the
"So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in
Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost
see the high-water mark -- that place where the wave finally broke and
rolled back."
HST - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
The high water mark of
If minting was massively distributed, then there would be basis for
assessing Bitcoin as fundamental/mathematical foundation, and Ethereum
as new age fad.
But there is no distributed minting. There are 4 mints owning the
majority, and the end game is one single mint. The whole Bitcoin
concept
Good overview. I'll take issue with the phrase "[de-]centralized"
which was mentioned 11 times.
1. code is *not* de-centralized, although it's open source, as there
is a small number of people (close to single-digit) that practically
has authority to modify it, and it doesn't look it will change
Power utilities are following the portal strategy to avoid being
commoditized as raw power suppliers (not unlike AOL and Genie wanting to
be Internet portals, with everything going through their web.)
It's likely doomed to fail as before, this time for two reasons:
- household-class batteries
The problem with global social theories that deal with long time
constants is that they are next to impossible to prove, unless one has
access to parallel universes (even assuming that existence of correct
theory is possible, which may not be true due to the underlining
complexity which at
Maybe I'm making mistake assuming that "theory" here means
normative/scientific theory, something that strives to provide
predictions in sustainable and repeatable fashion. Theories that predict
past are useless, and what someone feels the future should be and steps
to achieve that is, in my
The whole thing reeks of religion. Just observe facts - the next rally
where the necessity to do the unmentionable will be pitched is held:
1. On Sunday
2. At some place called "Institute for the Future"
( http://www.meetup.com/EthereumSiliconValley/events/232438189/ )
These (1. and 2.) are
Fighting the machines/proxies is acknowledging the defeat and waste of
time. The real war is with machine designers, operators and funders.
One possible line of defense—among many, of course—would be to
redesign your city, even down to the interior of your own home, such
that machine vision is
In the long run, Riyadh is the best bet, as the natural sanctuary for
the oligarchy.
After 'Brexit,' Finding a New London for the Financial World to Call Home
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There is a heavy bias here under the assumption that "we" exists and has
common interests. This is not true.
There is a straightforward class division here.
This (the last 20-30 years) is the first time in the history that hi-IQ
people with abstract thinking skills compose the *dominant*
However, it seems that less revenue will go to dead bodies industries,
so it's progress after all.
--tax money will be stolen to pay for enterprising on HSA, vouchers for
schools, etc.
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These 3 pictures may provide hints as to what is going on:
https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/dis%2C_mand%2C_int_pie_2015_enacted.png
https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/mandatory_spending_pie%2C__2015_enacted.png
Isn't the primary (and only?) purpose of these protocols to reduce the
number of protocoliriat (TM) (the number of people involved), and
simplify the control?
Most people understand cash. Few understand derivatives. Almost no one
understands sh*t about Bitcoin. The control pyramid
Note to self: reply less, do something original.
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I don't think that this list of fears justifies bothering to run the
country. There is not enough money in all of that together, those are
all small incremental operations (and the morality thing will be the
cost center, not the profit one.) Plus there would be no desperate
attacks on the new
I wish.
The 'left' discourse has been divorced from the reality for almost a
decade, since the mixed race president got into the office. This
cognitive dissonance was required to imagine the progress.
Everything became a meme, a notion, an idea, easy to contain, direct and
bend. Instead of
There is a curious consensus around the newly inaugurated administrator
of the US of A:
- Media first supported him to neuter his party, then supported him
because of ... whatever;
- The elections were won due to stupid mistakes of opponents. Or fraud.
Or Russians;
- The candidate (now a
... During 1974 we who opposed the Nixon tyranny here exhausted
ourselves in forcing that tyranny out of office, only to discover, the
next year, that underneath it lay an even greater abuse of power and
threat to freedom: a secret police apparatus that had worked since the
forties, completely
The edge-based curating never took on.
It started with Usenet, where, although most clients had rather
sophisticated filtering mechanism, the users were not happy with
abuse/trolling/spam existing in the first place. It was not sufficient
that one simply does not see it, because it was
A possibility that nothing has changed in should be examined.
There is a massive power shift, and various ecosystems associated
with the outgoing narrative (most major media conglomerates, democrat
apparatchiks, progressives, "scientists", showcase identity-based
reps), sometimes nominally
It's not inconceivable that, with fully automated production and
services (with near-zero human involvement and made 'free' to all), the
society can go back to the personal-relationship based economy. You
simply don't need anything from someone you don't know.
The million dollar question is
One possibly crucial difference (between then and now) is forced
verticalization of communications. While the media always existed,
the ratio of unmediated communication (between humans, using air as
conduit) vs. mediated communication (newspapers, web pages, mail
lists) has significantly gone
It's depressing to hear, over and over again, "we need to" calls, as if
the key is in some magical proposition, a thought, a formula, a method,
which is just around the corner, just another conference or another book
away. For a hammer everything is a nail, and for a tenured thinker
everything
It seems that pattern recognition is not in vogue among the
commentariat. Our species is not really that creative when it comes to
social phenomena. All one has to do is take a look at the relatively
recent history (600 years) to spot remarkable similarities between the
new techno class and
"Two men enter, one man leaves ..."
On 7/24/16, 12:12, Morlock Elloi wrote:
When most of the population has no 'work' to offer for exchange for
machine-produced goods (food, water, medical assistance), several
outcomes come to mind, sorted by decreasing probability:
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Social can move a lot, without consequences. It is not clear at all
that that any kind of "social movement" is effective way to change
anything in the 21st century. Maybe we are in the post-social movement
age, where some other mechanisms rule, and waiting for the "right"
social movement is a
Walter Hill, the director of Streets of Fire, mentioned in an interview
that he wanted to use every cliche known to man, and create a
celebration of cliches.
This seems to be the case with the anti-orange crowd, that lived in the
cliche world of identity politics divorced from the reality,
The lasting legacy of the progressive royalty is displacement of
artistic, scientific and generally intellectual prowess by the
banality of minority membership(s). Empowering creepdoms of various
persuasions *is* the principal tool of identity politics, and we have
just encountered its limits.
Because there is no single piece of evidence that those performing
the surveillance ever paid any attention to such contesting/begging,
or resulting laws and regulations. There is also no any credible
indication that this modus operandi will change in the future.
Perhaps contest harder?
Isn't it symptomatic that keyboard activities are mostly being
prosecuted in areas with less advanced technological, political and
control structures? There also must be some backward countries where
they still imprison poets.
In the first world, we have moved beyond that. Hobbies are OK.
On
This is a good overview, there is an obvious need for more dummies.
The 'poor and sexy' is one product of fractional distillation of
precarity, with low boiling point (the less sexy ones have to serve as
drivers or taskrabbits.)
As the article states, there is no involvement from the base
Exactly.
Using centralized trivial-to-snoop-or-block services for their
convenience, and then bitching about surveillance or censorship is
untenable position.
You are not entitled to convenience. They lied to you.
On 10/12/16, 8:37, jnm wrote:
>I am sorry for all people using this "services"
There is no "long-term PGP key model".
There is a fallacy of "web of trust" and fallacy of the notion that
public keys need to be published (maybe because they are named 'public' ?)
PGP works fine for end-to-end security of authenticated parties. There
are thousands (probably much more, but
They don't say how big is the entire collection, and there is no easy
way to get a copy. They should provide for that.
The entire Wikipedia snapshot (sans hi-res images) these days is about
50 Gb. Every laptop should carry one - offline access is amazingly fast,
unbeatably private, and works
The proper assassination piece needs a bit more logic than this:
1. 6 years ago someone claimed with no evidence that RU owned leakers =>
2. this year leakers published *true* information on the beige cabal =>
3. conclude that leakers are handled by RU.
Note how a single proven event (#2) is
One of the more amusing talks at 33c3 dealt with mechanizing the process
of making art sellable (or making sellable art)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E8Tc5ODyKg
While this is mostly a performance piece, there is definitely a hint of
the shape of things to come, analytics for personal (as
An interesting talk today at 33c3 by Charleyne Biondi- parallels between
the modern day surveillance and 18th century crusades against masturbation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Ae0qscmDk
From the intro:
The High Priests of the Digital Age
The High Priests of the Digital Age Are
Fascinating.
There were previous attempts to monetize own attention-time by sharing
the ad income between content providers and victims themselves, but it
never worked because the opt-in/on-boarding was complex, and payments
were expensive in the absence of efficient micropayment systems.
Not knowing anything about the issue, I was puzzled to see that search
engines point to hundreds of pages with pretty much the same assessment
of CEU.
Except this one:
http://www.mrc.org/special-reports/special-report-george-soros-godfather-left
This means that we are either witnessing the
The proposed evil-ness of the ruling party does not automatically make
its opponents angels. Here is a point of view (from today) that doesn't
come from far right:
https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Ungarn-Soros-Universitaet-sieht-Existenz-gefaehrdet-3671938.html
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While the class is the the primary divider, there are collateral
divisions in the Left that are few (causal) generations removed from the
class but extremely effective. These divisions are actively and
successfully nurtured: educational and academic echo chambers, identity
politics and related
Corporations - those who can pay engineers - have always controlled web
browsers. For example, look at the embedded SSL certificates in your
browser - who do you think decided to include exactly those? Did anyone
ask you (public) for opinion?
The idea that this can be fought through voting
It's more complicated:
This would not only create an oligarchy of those of who have the
means to fund scientific research for backing up a political demand.
Even worse, it's not about funding scientific research, it's about
buying 'results' and 'scientists'.
3) Just as opposition against
Let's agree that "Anonymous" means "don't know who or how many of them",
so for the purpose of this discussion: replace "Anonymous" with "people
with blood type A, Rh+", and see if the statement still makes sense.
On 4/20/17, 14:39, Felix Stalder wrote:
In the case of Anonymous, it seems to
There are many different issues here, and I am not sure that it makes
sense to conflate them into one or few trends.
Bitcoin: Bitcoin, OK, *is* a testament of how much gold is missed, and
government currencies are hated (Bit*coin* - in the US gold ceased to be
legal tender in 1933), to the
The End of Progressive Neoliberalism
Nancy Fraser, January 2, 2017
The election of Donald Trump represents one of a series of dramatic
political uprisings that together signal a collapse of neoliberal
hegemony. These uprisings include the Brexit vote in the United Kingdom,
the rejection of
Hippie punching is a legitimate form of argumentation. It's always
hippies that subvert and corrupt noble causes into safe lifestyles. They
were the fifth column in '68 with polygamous patriarchal communes, and
are happily subverting today with their yoga mats. It was hard to
resist, but at
This stuff needs to be repeated over and over again.
Just to mention the latest, and perhaps the most insidious entry in the
war on cash: Bitcoin, all-transactions-always-public PoW hash system
operated mostly by Chinese mints, touted to post-New Agers as the Next
Big Thing.
The unique
It's entertaining that liberal communism and philanthrocapitalism is
cherished/tolerated as antidote to the essentially anti-capitalist and
anti-communist nationalism.
I guess that ideological bankruptcy of the left has reached its
Bose–Einstein condensate state near absolute zero, where, due
Obvious but needs pointing out:
(Re)assigning a value to the act of communicating by introducing the
scarcity (and therefore the cost) could be the key shift (pun intended)
in making the content valuable on the massive scale.
When communicating in person this is implicit - there is a
It was always there, but I guess it's hard to attract attention to
something that's not 'growing' :)
...
In the Beginning was the Command Line
by Neal Stephenson 1999
About twenty years ago Jobs and Wozniak, the founders of Apple, came up
with the very strange idea of selling information
The imperial power transition was never smooth (so far), usually it
takes few centuries of dark ages. Even if everything these days is
accelerated 10X, we're still looking at several decades of deep s*it.
The interesting speculation would be: what is the best way for the
American Empire to
Urban populations ... no one will waste nukes on peasants. Peasants and
the ruling class will survive.
Do a search on "luxury shelters" or "doomsday bunkers" - from $1MM to
$40MM a pop. It doesn't matter if they will work or not - what matters
is that the buyers believe they will, and these
The notion that one must condone the existing 'efforts', or suggest
something better, or shut up, as anything else is supporting the
'enemy', is asinine at best.
Desperately clinging to the ideals of the 19/20th century (welfare
state, democracy, employment etc., plus some identity politics)
Salaried scientists, as any other salaried group, are mostly functional
cowards. As it was mentioned in a recent thread, there is a substantial
difference between "networks of practice" and "communities of practice".
It sounds silly, but the time has come when we need Kickstarter-based
As the technology gets more advanced, the dominant class will direct it
closer and closer to the primary physiological interfaces with no
possibility of mediation.
It's called virtual reality. Nothing new about it - these are decades
old and supposed to depict dystopia, but "dys" became "u":
What would one do if one had only 5 minutes of Internet access per day?
What would be the priorities? How would the life look like? How would
one prepare for those 5 minutes? Would it be a ritual?
Maybe an app that allows Internet access only 5 minutes per day? No
configurations, no settings.
The timing of posts made this obvious, I hoped no one will notice ...
and now you announced it!
On 8/18/17, 04:21, nettime's mod squad wrote:
> This is a good time to say that nettime hasn't been moderated for the
> last several weeks -- since July 4th, to be exact. We didn't announce
> the
I ran into search engine that has wider scope than anything I've seen so
far. Ever got hit dated 1890?
https://unz.org/Pub/Search
For example, "identity politics":
This just marks entrance of the leaking phenomenon into the safe
mainstream space, time to monetize on it. Why should Banksy pick all
the fame?
Unlike some unsafe phenomena, from which it is wiser for the artists
to stay away and not touch with a 10-foot (3-meter) pole. Like
identity/gender
One has to look at the foundations of the current European
relationships, beyond theatrical posturing and politbabble:
Germany: 0 nukes
UK: 215 nukes (5 operational)
France: 300 nukes
USA:6800 nukes
Russia: 7000 nukes
Germany was and is effectively occupied after it lost the war,
The evolution of the attitude towards nuclear war from terrible
(1946+) through unthinkable (1970s) into impossible (2000+) is a
testament to the power of Kool Aid. While the planet was continuously
and uninterruptedly ruled based on the military power balances alone,
the public discourse
Jacobin comes to the rescue!
Also, all you need to know about the Trump-Gucci connection.
Crimes Against Design
Eamon Levesque
Donald Trump isn't just ruining lives. He's ruining fashion.
Reconcile yourself with the idea of the Trump Presidential Library.
In the next four to eight years, a
The gentrification of anti-surveillance is now complete:
> The work is one of those shows that has “How much did this cost?”
> written all over it. (The armory would not say.) It teems with
> fashionable relevance, dovetailing with newish knowledge that the
> National Security Agency spent years
I'm curious: what is the fundamental difference between conditioning
a person's behavior through feeding information ("speech"), and
conditioning a person's behavior with a baseball bat?
The traditional view is that a person can rationally process the
information and make choices, as opposed to
[I was looking for patterns. The proposition that in the grand scheme of
things everything is connected, mixed, gray-shaded, and therefore
essentially the same, will not fly until the thermal death of the
universe, when everything will be the same (contingent on one's position
on the
Very useful for the reference. Too often the anti-surveillance
narratives are divorced from realty. Reality is worse.
For the next year I expect inclusion of the IoT surveillance, as it is
liable to outperform all other active methods put together. IoT data
flows 24/7.
On 6/10/17 6:56 , Wolfie
The uncanny similarities between the tomorrow's French and the recent US
elections are being glaringly ignored by the usual stakeholders:
- the French candidates map to their US peers perfectly, except for the
genitals;
- the prognostications are undivided towards the banker's candidate;
-
, the first computing heater embedding microprocessors as a
heat source and connected to the Internet.
This has a potential to re-de-centralize Bitcoin. Not this particular
company, but the concept itself.
On 4 Mar 2017, at 13:18, t byfield wrote:
On 3 Mar 2017, at 21:56, Morlock Elloi
Very true.
I recently witnessed something, and will try to explain in as
non-technical terms as possible: the event was around distributed
applications and in particular the presentation was about micropayments.
The audience of 30-40 was rather tech-savvy - developers, entrepreneurs
and
This meme cannot be repeated often enough (even if one starts to
resemble RMS).
While esoteric discourses about consequences can be amusing, we really
need to get back to the root causes. They are not novel, just often
forgotten.
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