Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-09 Thread Jaromil
re all, On Sun, 06 May 2012, newme...@aol.com wrote: Commodified and detached-from-history displays of this sort are much more likely to *hide* than to *reveal* anything useful about our *living* culture for the simple reason that those who actually construct these exhibits have no culture

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-08 Thread Keith Hart
Good point, Michael! Come back, Thorstein Veblen, all is forgiven. I am really just making a plea for the introduction of world history into this discussion. The fastest-growing economy in the world between 1890 and 1913 was Russia with an annual growth rate of about 10%, similar to China's

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-07 Thread Michael H Goldhaber
Brian, Keith ,et al., It seems to me that Conard's text presents those on the left with a rare opportunity --though not enough of one by itself to turn the situation entirely around. I haven't read his book, but maybe it would be worth it, for it's clear enough from the quotes that the book

nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Brian Holmes
On 05/05/2012 01:56 PM, Nicholas Knouf wrote: How does one take a principled stand against the repugnant policies of the Koch Bros., while also holding out the possibility that their philanthropic actions just_might_ cause some positive change in the world? I reckon it's close to impossible.

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Sascha D. Freudenheim
This whole chain is increasingly silly. Because while Brian and others complain about things like... When people start defending the Koch borthers, or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or privatized universities and museums because they're excellent and they have such good art, I admit it,

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Newmedia
Brian: If my dear friend Mark Stahlman were right, that is, if life in democratic societies were always and ever simply the rule of the powerful minority over the powerless majority, then another consequence must necessarily ensue. Thanks

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Nicholas Knouf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian, and others, Admire is a strong word. Admiration is for me something that happens only rarely. No, Brian, and others who might agree with his characterization of me, I do not admire Carnegie, Mellon, Rockefeller, Koch, Olin, or others. Their

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Brian Holmes
Hey Keith, good to hear from you. On 05/06/2012 05:50 AM, Keith Hart wrote: The first thing that stands out to me is that you identify your own role with that of a critic. There are other ways of engaging society and perhaps we should start with that. Which critics in history do you think made

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread John Hopkins
jep... it's a circus ... ur in the center ring ... or maybe not ... wait, where's the tent? This whole chain is increasingly silly. Because while Brian and others complain about things like... well if you want real silliness, just wait until the energy sources that have been driving the