[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Duane C Johnson]

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 2:44:06 PM UTC-6, Holger Selover-Stephan 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> While mounting new tires, the right rear stud of the front fork snapped 
> off. I really don't think I over torqued it, but it showed some corrosion 
> that I cleaned it with a wire brush. Attached a photo. 
>
> Is this fixable? Or do I need a new fork? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Holger
>
> [image: front-fork.jpg]
>
>
I have found that an Impact Driver is useful here.
Not your big 1/2" driver
I use a small 1/4" Makita impact screwdriver. You may need an adapter for 
your 6 point deep well socket.
The small driver shouldn't be able to break the stud. You may want to 
practice on a sample stud to be sure.
The thousands of impacts gradually loosen the stud.

Also a bit of heat to the aluminum may help, not to much though.
The aluminum expands more than the steel to lessen the grip on the embedded 
treads.

redrok

red...@redrok.com

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 7:20:52 PM UTC-8, Arthur R (Bob) Sheller 
wrote:
>
> I have one I'll send you tomorrow.
>

That is super nice of you, Arthur! Thank you so much!  I might have found 
the right stud 
though: 
https://www.belmetric.com/m8x125-coarse-thread-c-9_71_1840/s8x47eblk-even-stud-black-p-3629.html?zenid=he1bo6hrisgnmlpvfmchnhmgp1
 
. It's class 8.8. With the corrosion on mine and how easy mine snapped off, 
I'm going to replace all 4. 

Cheers,

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Arthur Sheller]

I have one I'll send you tomorrow.


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 9:12 PM Holger Selover-Stephan  Kyle, thank you for sharing that advice. And I'm happy to report the stud
> came out without a problem with a set of vise grip plier. Phew!! Next
> challenge: finding a replacement stud...
>
> Holger
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:01:33 PM UTC-8, Kyle Munz wrote:
>>
>> I received this advice from an old friend regarding your issue. Passing
>> it along hoping it helps.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Graham Rogers]

I found replacement studs at local hardware store - Coles here in Pa.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:12 PM Holger Selover-Stephan <
hol...@shadowbrush.com> wrote:

> Kyle, thank you for sharing that advice. And I'm happy to report the stud
> came out without a problem with a set of vise grip plier. Phew!! Next
> challenge: finding a replacement stud...
>
> Holger
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:01:33 PM UTC-8, Kyle Munz wrote:
>>
>> I received this advice from an old friend regarding your issue. Passing
>> it along hoping it helps.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Kyle Munz]

That's great news, and a much better outcome than I usually encounter.

-Kyle


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 9:12 PM Holger Selover-Stephan <
hol...@shadowbrush.com> wrote:

> Kyle, thank you for sharing that advice. And I'm happy to report the stud
> came out without a problem with a set of vise grip plier. Phew!! Next
> challenge: finding a replacement stud...
>
> Holger
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:01:33 PM UTC-8, Kyle Munz wrote:
>>
>> I received this advice from an old friend regarding your issue. Passing
>> it along hoping it helps.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Kyle, thank you for sharing that advice. And I'm happy to report the stud 
came out without a problem with a set of vise grip plier. Phew!! Next 
challenge: finding a replacement stud...

Holger

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:01:33 PM UTC-8, Kyle Munz wrote:
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> I received this advice from an old friend regarding your issue. Passing it 
> along hoping it helps.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Kyle Munz]

I received this advice from an old friend regarding your issue. Passing it
along hoping it helps. From experience I can say you're better off taking
it slow getting the broken stud out. Because breaking it again, attempting
to drill it out, breaking off a hardened screw extractor in it, and then
attempting to torch and drill that out will just make your life suck.
Anyways, good luck! :)

Remove the fork leg. Not much work but vital to success.
>  Why ? The job is more important than you think. Replacing the fork bottom
> is way more expensive and lots more work if stud removal goes bad.
> Work slowly. No room for error. Drench stud with something.. PB blaster ?
> Inverted, it will soak in better. Repair thread damage (8.25 pitch, use
> die). The stud is right-hand thread on both ends. Double nut and jam them
> TIGHTLY. Clamp fork leg in large vise. Clamp across axle area not tube
> (duh) Clamp using wood on each side, that will not leave marks and the
> desired effect is not to apply pressure to the area but rather to hold the
> fork leg securely. (pressure applied to the thread area by a vise is
> counter productive.. duh) Secure the fork leg. A few sharp strikes with a
> large hammer, on end (axial) should shock it loose. DO NOT POUND Now use a
> 1/2" breaker bar (at least 18") and a short extension and a six point, deep
> well socket. The short 3'8" ratchet is not going to do it.  The short
> extension is to make the torque applied more axial than lateral. Lateral
> force may break the stud again.
> Too much work ? Hardly. Failure will make a bad situation much worse.
> Source a fork bottom ? Good luck. Even if the hole must be heli-coiled,
> still a better option. A careful read of shop materials will show that the
> forward nut is to be tightened first and then the rear one when fixing the
> axle in place. Why, or how, do you break a stud in that scenario ? There is
> a torque spec. An open gap to the rear may be expected.
>

-Kyle


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:57 PM Holger Selover-Stephan <
hol...@shadowbrush.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 2:24:06 PM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
>>
>> Is this a Nighthawk 650.. remind me...?
>>
>
> This is on the 700S.
>
> In other news, the tires (Battlax) arrived, and are mounted. I couldn't
> figure out the zip tie method, but they seem much more flexible than the
> Kenda, and mounting the traditional way was pretty easy actually.
>
> The stud has been sitting in PB Blaster for a while, will try to get it
> off later tonight. I think you guys are saying it's a right-hand thread. To
> me, that makes sense: that way you'd tighten the connection with the nuts
> during installation, not loosen them.
>
> Thanks for all your help, made all the difference here!
>
> Holger
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 2:24:06 PM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
>
> Is this a Nighthawk 650.. remind me...?
>

This is on the 700S. 

In other news, the tires (Battlax) arrived, and are mounted. I couldn't 
figure out the zip tie method, but they seem much more flexible than the 
Kenda, and mounting the traditional way was pretty easy actually. 

The stud has been sitting in PB Blaster for a while, will try to get it off 
later tonight. I think you guys are saying it's a right-hand thread. To me, 
that makes sense: that way you'd tighten the connection with the nuts 
during installation, not loosen them. 

Thanks for all your help, made all the difference here! 

Holger
 

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[Nighthawk Lovers] 1982 650 night hawk wanted

[Tommy Hill]

You need to re-write your email. Can’t be read. Use spaces so it doesn’t hide 
the address. 
email at gmail etc

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Tommy Hill]

Normal thread.  Pretty sure all studs in NHs are normal thread. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Darin Hatton]

After looking through the factory service manual for the 85 cb700sc
nighthawk I don't see a reference to the stud in question so I still can't
tell if thread is right or left hand without pulling one. I looked at
bikebandit.com and hondapartsnation and they don't list or offer. Sorry bro
but glad to hear tires made it through the snow storm : )

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 5:24 PM Graham Rogers 
wrote:

> Is this a Nighthawk 650.. remind me...?
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 5:20 PM Darin Hatton 
> wrote:
>
>> I was just out looking at mine to try to determine if the thread in the
>> fork is right handed or left handed. Unfortunately there us not enough
>> thread exposed to determine. Hopefully someone on the forum can tell you. I
>> don't think I'd try to remove until I found out which way to turn as you
>> may break off inside fork if going the wrong way. Graham?  I've not had
>> them out. Good luck Holger
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 5:02 PM Graham Rogers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I have had them unscrew out of the fork by accident
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:52 PM bobshel...@gmail.com <
>>> bobshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 It might come out clockwise if its reverse threads on that end.

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 

 On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:41 PM, nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle
 Lovers!
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 Looking at the photo, apply heat and use mole grips to undo the stud.


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[Nighthawk Lovers] 1982 650 night hawk wanted

[chartierjeffg10]

Looking for a 1982 650 night hawk in the blue with chrome stripes. Must be 
in good shape. Yes i know its a quite old cycle but it was the only new 
bike i ever bought and i would love to find another. Will pay a reasonable 
price. contact me at honda...@hotmail.com   THANK YOU AND SAFE RIDING!!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Graham Rogers]

Is this a Nighthawk 650.. remind me...?

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 5:20 PM Darin Hatton  wrote:

> I was just out looking at mine to try to determine if the thread in the
> fork is right handed or left handed. Unfortunately there us not enough
> thread exposed to determine. Hopefully someone on the forum can tell you. I
> don't think I'd try to remove until I found out which way to turn as you
> may break off inside fork if going the wrong way. Graham?  I've not had
> them out. Good luck Holger
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 5:02 PM Graham Rogers 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have had them unscrew out of the fork by accident
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:52 PM bobshel...@gmail.com <
>> bobshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It might come out clockwise if its reverse threads on that end.
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:41 PM, nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle
>>> Lovers!
>>>  wrote:
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>>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Darin Hatton]

I was just out looking at mine to try to determine if the thread in the
fork is right handed or left handed. Unfortunately there us not enough
thread exposed to determine. Hopefully someone on the forum can tell you. I
don't think I'd try to remove until I found out which way to turn as you
may break off inside fork if going the wrong way. Graham?  I've not had
them out. Good luck Holger


On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 5:02 PM Graham Rogers 
wrote:

> Yes, I have had them unscrew out of the fork by accident
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:52 PM bobshel...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It might come out clockwise if its reverse threads on that end.
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:41 PM, nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle
>> Lovers!
>>  wrote:
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>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Graham Rogers]

Yes, I have had them unscrew out of the fork by accident

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:52 PM bobshel...@gmail.com 
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> It might come out clockwise if its reverse threads on that end.
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

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It might come out clockwise if its reverse threads on that end.

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  On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:41 PM, nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle 
Lovers! wrote:   Looking at the photo, apply 
heat and use mole grips to undo the stud.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Nick, many thanks, that really helps me out!!

Holger

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 1:39 PM nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle
Lovers!  If you can drill the stud, buy yourself an easyout. This has a left hand
> spiral that engages in the drilled hole. Turn it anti clockwise and the
> stud should come out. Apply heat to the stud first. I’m a Toolmaker and
> this works every time if you follow the correct procedure.
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

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Looking at the photo, apply heat and use mole grips to undo the stud.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!]

If you can drill the stud, buy yourself an easyout. This has a left hand spiral 
that engages in the drilled hole. Turn it anti clockwise and the stud should 
come out. Apply heat to the stud first. I’m a Toolmaker and this works every 
time if you follow the correct procedure.

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