Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[Kyle Munz]

Or you could take the bike to Australia where everything is upsidedown and
spray the penetrating oil on it there.


-Kyle

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Scott S. McKinley 
wrote:

> What about drilling with a small bit into the bolt it’s entire length and
> a little more, injecting fluid via syringe, and then plugging hole.
> Repeating multiple times would allow fluid to penetrate threads from the
> top.
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:00 AM, jrhoyt0895  wrote:
>
> Although it might be too late for this problem, you might want to consider
> picking up a 3/8' adapter for your 1/2' breaker bar.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:15:37 PM UTC-4, Jared Clifton wrote:
>>
>> Drilling is going to be my last resort. And, at this point, I don't
>> really see any other alternative.
>>
>> I used a 6-point socket. Actually, three different ones from different
>> sets I had, in case one was rounded. I also bought one of those Craftsman
>> Bolt Extractor kits, which also refused to budge this thing. I let the
>> penetrating oil set for days (used both Liquid Wrench and PB Blaster),
>> applying a bit more each day. I've been working on this for over a week. I
>> tried a 12" breaker bar and an impact driver. My longer breaker bar is for
>> 1/2" sockets, and I don't have a 12mm socket in 1/2 inch.
>>
>> I believe I'm seeing a couple of issues here. The first is that the bolt
>> is upside down, so the penetrating oil has a harder time working its way up
>> to the threads. Secondly, I took a look at the other bolt (that I actually
>> did remove), and there is a significant amount of shaft between where the
>> head is and the threads start. And I can't see any way to get at this bolt
>> from the top, where the threads are.
>>
>> Last night I applied more PB Blaster and let it sit. Then I hit it with a
>> torch for 30 seconds, and let it cool. Then I tried the breaker bar and the
>> impact driver on it. Repeat. It simply will not budge.
>>
>> -Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-7, jrhoyt0895 wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you considered drilling through the bolt, like you would if you had
>>> a screw with a stripped head?
>>>
>>> Consistent with other advice, I think you did what I would have done,
>>> although I might have done it a tad differently:
>>>
>>> -I don't know if you used a 6-point socket or a 12-point socket, a
>>> 6-point socket is the way to go here.
>>> -How long is your breaker bar?  The longer it is, the more leverage you
>>> have, giving you the ability to be a bit more gentle.
>>> -When using a breaker bar, I always try to push down, rather than up or
>>> to the side.
>>> -How long did you let the penetrating oil sit?  When using penetrating
>>> oil, patience can really pay off.
>>>
>>> One last thing: Imagine the bolt is a jar of pickles someone just handed
>>> you while asking, "Can you open this for me?"  You turn the lid and it pops
>>> off with almost no effort, and you say, "You must have loosened it."  In
>>> other words, be gentle, spray some penetrating oil on it, and they walk
>>> away for a while.  Then try gently again later, and repeat until the thing
>>> comes off.
>>>
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[Scott S. McKinley]

What about drilling with a small bit into the bolt it’s entire length and a 
little more, injecting fluid via syringe, and then plugging hole. Repeating 
multiple times would allow fluid to penetrate threads from the top. 

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:00 AM, jrhoyt0895  wrote:
> 
> Although it might be too late for this problem, you might want to consider 
> picking up a 3/8' adapter for your 1/2' breaker bar.
> 
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:15:37 PM UTC-4, Jared Clifton wrote:
> Drilling is going to be my last resort. And, at this point, I don't really 
> see any other alternative.
> 
> I used a 6-point socket. Actually, three different ones from different sets I 
> had, in case one was rounded. I also bought one of those Craftsman Bolt 
> Extractor kits, which also refused to budge this thing. I let the penetrating 
> oil set for days (used both Liquid Wrench and PB Blaster), applying a bit 
> more each day. I've been working on this for over a week. I tried a 12" 
> breaker bar and an impact driver. My longer breaker bar is for 1/2" sockets, 
> and I don't have a 12mm socket in 1/2 inch.
> 
> I believe I'm seeing a couple of issues here. The first is that the bolt is 
> upside down, so the penetrating oil has a harder time working its way up to 
> the threads. Secondly, I took a look at the other bolt (that I actually did 
> remove), and there is a significant amount of shaft between where the head is 
> and the threads start. And I can't see any way to get at this bolt from the 
> top, where the threads are.
> 
> Last night I applied more PB Blaster and let it sit. Then I hit it with a 
> torch for 30 seconds, and let it cool. Then I tried the breaker bar and the 
> impact driver on it. Repeat. It simply will not budge.
> 
> -Jared
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-7, jrhoyt0895 wrote:
> Have you considered drilling through the bolt, like you would if you had a 
> screw with a stripped head?
> 
> Consistent with other advice, I think you did what I would have done, 
> although I might have done it a tad differently:
> 
> -I don't know if you used a 6-point socket or a 12-point socket, a 6-point 
> socket is the way to go here.
> -How long is your breaker bar?  The longer it is, the more leverage you have, 
> giving you the ability to be a bit more gentle.
> -When using a breaker bar, I always try to push down, rather than up or to 
> the side.
> -How long did you let the penetrating oil sit?  When using penetrating oil, 
> patience can really pay off.
> 
> One last thing: Imagine the bolt is a jar of pickles someone just handed you 
> while asking, "Can you open this for me?"  You turn the lid and it pops off 
> with almost no effort, and you say, "You must have loosened it."  In other 
> words, be gentle, spray some penetrating oil on it, and they walk away for a 
> while.  Then try gently again later, and repeat until the thing comes off.
> 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[James O'Gorman]

Soak it with PB blaster and use Impact if available. I agree with a new
socket as well - old worn sockets = rounded bolt heads. Using Mapp gas
would be the additional step. It burns hotter than Propane. You'll find the
little yellow bottles in the hardware store next to the little blue propane
bottles. Hit it with one or two torches of MAPP gas for a while after a
good soaking of PB blaster and you should be able to get it off. If the
bolt head breaks, you can usually weld a nut over the broken-off stud.
Avoid using any extensions if possible.

I wouldn't suggest the bottle jack method (although it does sound very
good). This would actually result in a lot of broken tools. This is because
it puts a lot of side-ways stress on all the components instead of axial
(twisting) force on the bolt threads themselves. If you have used a 4-way
tire iron, think about how using handles on both sides of the bolt versus
just on one side like with a ratchet. If you've ever tapped a thread, the
concept is the same. Tap handles are always "T" handles so that the tap
doesn't break off. 100% of the force goes to the threads instead of the
components like the handle, ratchet, socket, extension, ets.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Jared Clifton 
wrote:

> Ooh, Great idea Richard! I'll try that tonight.
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Richard Potter 
> wrote:
>
>> GET A GOOD / NEW 6 point socket put a breaker bar on it then put a bottle
>> of scissor   jack under it
>>
>> With just enough pressure so it will not come off while pulling on the bar
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googl
>> egroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jared Clifton
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:55 AM
>> *To:* Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt
>>
>>
>>
>> I can try and take one later. I'm at work now. It's not completely
>> stripped, but the corners are definitely rounded. It's one of the two 12 mm
>> bolts on the underside that connect the pipes to the frame. So, to get to
>> it you come up at it from under the bike. Not a ton of room to work. I
>> suspect that the threads are a bit corroded and probably fused to the
>> frame, particularly given that it's right next to the exhaust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just hoping to hear some tricks I might not have tried yet, or what
>> others have had success with.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jared
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:51:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Potter
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can you post a photo of the bolt?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nighthaw...@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthaw...@googlegroups.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Jared Clifton
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:22 AM
>> *To:* Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
>> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt
>>
>>
>>
>> I bought a replacement exhaust for my '83 NH 650, and while taking the
>> existing one off, I ran into a stuck bolt. One of the 12mm bolts on the
>> underside that holds the exhaust to the frame. I tried a breaker bar, my
>> impact driver, some liquid wrench, and some of those Craftsman Bolt
>> Extractors, and in the end, just ended up rounding off the bolt. Thought I
>> would post about it here and see if anyone has any recommendations before I
>> spend any more money. I hear good things about PB Blaster, but I worry I
>> won't be able to get it up into the threads, since the bolt is upside down.
>> I also read about using a propane torch on it (although that made me a
>> little nervous). Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jared
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[Jared Clifton]

Ooh, Great idea Richard! I'll try that tonight.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Richard Potter  wrote:

> GET A GOOD / NEW 6 point socket put a breaker bar on it then put a bottle
> of scissor   jack under it
>
> With just enough pressure so it will not come off while pulling on the bar
>
>
>
> *From:* nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jared Clifton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:55 AM
> *To:* Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt
>
>
>
> I can try and take one later. I'm at work now. It's not completely
> stripped, but the corners are definitely rounded. It's one of the two 12 mm
> bolts on the underside that connect the pipes to the frame. So, to get to
> it you come up at it from under the bike. Not a ton of room to work. I
> suspect that the threads are a bit corroded and probably fused to the
> frame, particularly given that it's right next to the exhaust.
>
>
>
> Just hoping to hear some tricks I might not have tried yet, or what others
> have had success with.
>
>
>
> -Jared
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:51:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Potter wrote:
>
> Can you post a photo of the bolt?
>
>
>
> *From:* nighthaw...@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthaw...@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Jared Clifton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:22 AM
> *To:* Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt
>
>
>
> I bought a replacement exhaust for my '83 NH 650, and while taking the
> existing one off, I ran into a stuck bolt. One of the 12mm bolts on the
> underside that holds the exhaust to the frame. I tried a breaker bar, my
> impact driver, some liquid wrench, and some of those Craftsman Bolt
> Extractors, and in the end, just ended up rounding off the bolt. Thought I
> would post about it here and see if anyone has any recommendations before I
> spend any more money. I hear good things about PB Blaster, but I worry I
> won't be able to get it up into the threads, since the bolt is upside down.
> I also read about using a propane torch on it (although that made me a
> little nervous). Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> -Jared
>
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[Richard Potter]

GET A GOOD / NEW 6 point socket put a breaker bar on it then put a bottle of 
scissor   jack under it
With just enough pressure so it will not come off while pulling on the bar

From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jared Clifton
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:55 AM
To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

I can try and take one later. I'm at work now. It's not completely stripped, 
but the corners are definitely rounded. It's one of the two 12 mm bolts on the 
underside that connect the pipes to the frame. So, to get to it you come up at 
it from under the bike. Not a ton of room to work. I suspect that the threads 
are a bit corroded and probably fused to the frame, particularly given that 
it's right next to the exhaust.

Just hoping to hear some tricks I might not have tried yet, or what others have 
had success with.

-Jared

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:51:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Potter wrote:
Can you post a photo of the bolt?

From: nighthaw...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:nighthaw...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jared Clifton
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

I bought a replacement exhaust for my '83 NH 650, and while taking the existing 
one off, I ran into a stuck bolt. One of the 12mm bolts on the underside that 
holds the exhaust to the frame. I tried a breaker bar, my impact driver, some 
liquid wrench, and some of those Craftsman Bolt Extractors, and in the end, 
just ended up rounding off the bolt. Thought I would post about it here and see 
if anyone has any recommendations before I spend any more money. I hear good 
things about PB Blaster, but I worry I won't be able to get it up into the 
threads, since the bolt is upside down. I also read about using a propane torch 
on it (although that made me a little nervous). Any thoughts?

-Jared
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[Jared Clifton]

I can try and take one later. I'm at work now. It's not completely 
stripped, but the corners are definitely rounded. It's one of the two 12 mm 
bolts on the underside that connect the pipes to the frame. So, to get to 
it you come up at it from under the bike. Not a ton of room to work. I 
suspect that the threads are a bit corroded and probably fused to the 
frame, particularly given that it's right next to the exhaust.

Just hoping to hear some tricks I might not have tried yet, or what others 
have had success with.

-Jared

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:51:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Potter wrote:
>
> Can you post a photo of the bolt?
>
>  
>
> *From:* nighthaw...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> nighthaw...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Jared Clifton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:22 AM
> *To:* Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt
>
>  
>
> I bought a replacement exhaust for my '83 NH 650, and while taking the 
> existing one off, I ran into a stuck bolt. One of the 12mm bolts on the 
> underside that holds the exhaust to the frame. I tried a breaker bar, my 
> impact driver, some liquid wrench, and some of those Craftsman Bolt 
> Extractors, and in the end, just ended up rounding off the bolt. Thought I 
> would post about it here and see if anyone has any recommendations before I 
> spend any more money. I hear good things about PB Blaster, but I worry I 
> won't be able to get it up into the threads, since the bolt is upside down. 
> I also read about using a propane torch on it (although that made me a 
> little nervous). Any thoughts?
>
>  
>
> -Jared
>
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

[Richard Potter]

Can you post a photo of the bolt?

From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jared Clifton
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Stuck bolt

I bought a replacement exhaust for my '83 NH 650, and while taking the existing 
one off, I ran into a stuck bolt. One of the 12mm bolts on the underside that 
holds the exhaust to the frame. I tried a breaker bar, my impact driver, some 
liquid wrench, and some of those Craftsman Bolt Extractors, and in the end, 
just ended up rounding off the bolt. Thought I would post about it here and see 
if anyone has any recommendations before I spend any more money. I hear good 
things about PB Blaster, but I worry I won't be able to get it up into the 
threads, since the bolt is upside down. I also read about using a propane torch 
on it (although that made me a little nervous). Any thoughts?

-Jared
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