2012/6/27 Eelco Dolstra eelco.dols...@logicblox.com
firefox: Updated to 14.0
Please-please-please let's use present imperative as Git (and many other
projects) do? Something like firefox: Update to 14.0.
I don't know why, but many projects prefer it, and I've read somewhere that
imperative
What I am saying is that after 4 years of continuous work on Nix, I have
a significant investment in this project, and changes that are made to
this project affect me personally and professionally in ways that may
not be obvious to the person who is making that change.
Which is why you can't
Hi,
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:03:23 +0200
Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to wrote:
your patch is now available here:
https://github.com/free-nix/pkgs/tree/malakhovski/master
I committed it into a branch because compilers.patch causes a massive
re-build, so I'd hesitate to place that change into
Greetings,
I'd like to derail the discussion about policy and focus on the parts
about how to reduce the need to agree on policy. As others have pointed
out, nix is great for having your own cake and I want to know how to
make the most of it. Unfortunately, I'm incapable of really grasping nix
Eelco Dolstra eelco.dols...@logicblox.com writes:
Since there appears to be strong^Wpassionate support for having direct commit
access to the main Nixpkgs/NixOS repositories, it's clear we should stick to
the
existing development model at the moment. So if you want commit access,
please
Hello list,
today I ran into a problem which I don't know how to solve. I needed
the Haskell library hoauth [1] which was not available in Nixpkgs.
Using cabal2nix and my local Nixpkgs repository creating a Nix
expression and installing it via
$ nix-env -f ~/code/nixpkgs/default.nix -i
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
It looks like the main project will be conservative enough to be simple
to pull...
Are you basing this assessment only on the git situation over the last 6
days, or do you consider the project pre-git to be fairly
Hi Michi,
On Jun 27, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Michael Weiss w...@borasi.de wrote:
Greetings,
I'd like to derail the discussion about policy and focus on the parts
about how to reduce the need to agree on policy. As others have pointed
out, nix is great for having your own cake and I want to
Hi Kirill,
On 27/06/12 03:18, Kirill Elagin wrote:
firefox: Updated to 14.0
Please-please-please let's use present imperative as Git (and many other
projects) do? Something like firefox: Update to 14.0.
Good point, +1.
--
Eelco Dolstra | LogicBlox, Inc. |
Excerpts from Alexander Foremny's message of Wed Jun 27 15:23:44 +0200 2012:
Talking about Haskell its always good to know about your target
executable / library.
imaginary dependency relations:
Lib-A - hoauth - foo - TARGET-EXECUTABLE
you want:
hoauth-patched - foo' -
Hi folks,
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and saying this is what I
want, this is why what's here now is bad.
I am more or less a bystander and not really active, but this caught
Hi Alexander,
Another option would be to specify a file path as src in
cabal.mkDerivation. Is this possible?
you could define unpackPhase to be something along the lines of:
rsync -a /home/yours/src/hoauth .
This would make Nix build whatever you have in your working copy. It's
not
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Petr Rockai wrote:
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and saying this is what I
want, this is why what's here now is bad.
I am more or
Thanks for the detailed information! However, it appears as if the
simplest approach to this is not possible in NixOS, just installing a
local Nix expression. Is there a grave reason for this?
I am creating an executable which directly depends on hoauth and
hoauth isn't required by any other
Thank you. Those suggestions are helpful too, albeit they are quite
hacky. Especially since you cannot force a rebuild of an unchanged Nix
expression, but I suppose this is by design.
Regards,
Alexander Foremny
2012/6/27 Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to:
The following message is a courtesy copy of
Excerpts from Michael Weiss's message of Wed Jun 27 14:02:47 +0200 2012:
I have a hard time following you. Having a global namespace for python
and ruby's 'expect' or 'mechanize' libraries causing kind of failure
doesn't seem to be what we want? Or how would you call them? prefix by
python- or
Well, it was just an example. My point was merely that it's not enough to
point out a problem, whenever possible you should point out solutions and
be willing to do the legwork necessary to implement them.
The real problem is that for many things it does look like the problem
is in value
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael Weiss w...@borasi.de wrote:
Greetings,
I'd like to derail the discussion about policy and focus on the parts
about how to reduce the need to agree on policy. As others have pointed
out, nix is great for having your own cake and I want to know how to
Hi Petr,
On Jun 27, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Petr Rockai m...@mornfall.net wrote:
Hi folks,
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and saying this is what I
want, this is why what's here
On Jun 27, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Lluís Batlle i Rossell vi...@viric.name wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Petr Rockai wrote:
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
Well, it was just an example. My point was merely that it's not enough to
point out a problem, whenever possible you should point out solutions and
be willing to do the legwork necessary to implement them.
The real
- There is a reasonable public place where I can see every package
expression used by any committer. So, if someone uses a git-head version
of kernel, it would be nice to see what overrides were needed.
Do you mean some sort of repository of local overrides? That might be nice, do
you have
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
- On the level of Nix as a package manager, there is a way to roll back
everything but GC
What do you mean, exactly? You can roll back versions of nix, and if you
use build.nix in the nix source tree you can build each
Many webapps will need to specify that a database library is present, but
may not care which one.
Heh: if the web app is so careless to not specify which database to use,
there's no reason why other system components should care about a busted web
app.
The point is: sometimes it can use
-- Forwarded message --
From: Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Improving the Developer Experience in the Nix
Community
To: 7c6f4...@mail.ru
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
Continuing with a Java theme: the Java Advanced Imaging interfaces have a
(default) pure java implementation as well as a native (accelerated)
implementation.
How should this be solved? Try find answers yourself. Its the same
problem M.R. talked about if buildfarm uses optimiziations your
On Jun 27, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Bryce L Nordgren wrote:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Improving the Developer Experience in the Nix Community
To: 7c6f4...@mail.ru
On Wed,
On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
- There is a reasonable public place where I can see every package
expression used by any committer. So, if someone uses a git-head version
of kernel, it would be nice to see what overrides were needed.
Do you mean some
On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
- On the level of Nix as a package manager, there is a way to roll back
everything but GC
What do you mean, exactly? You can roll back
Specifics aside (because they were just examples, sometimes poor ones), the
point here is that Nix can only express tightly coupled dependencies. Lack
of the ability to correctly express loosely coupled relationships causes
needless rebuilds. It really doesn't matter whether Java has achieved
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com wrote:
Continuing with a Java theme: the Java Advanced Imaging interfaces have a
(default) pure java implementation as well as a native (accelerated)
implementation.
How should this be solved? Try find answers
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:38:16 +0200 2012:
Ok. Why was builderDefs rejected? What problems do you see with it, and what
do others see?
What does reject mean? I'd say it was not adopted (by me yet) because
the existing monolitic setup.sh works good enough - I have my
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Marc Weber marco-owe...@gmx.de wrote:
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:38:16 +0200 2012:
Ok. Why was builderDefs rejected? What problems do you see with it, and what
do others see?
What does reject mean?
Eelco has said on a few occasions that
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:52:53 +0200 2012:
Eelco has said on a few occasions that new packages should not use
builderDefs, IIRC.
I guess the right thing to do is adding a comment then (?)
I missed it his advice :(
Marc Weber
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
Well, to be honest I was more hoping for suggestions about how to
improve the developer community, policies, etc. rather than technical
improvements. But ideas for those are always good too, so please keep
discussing :)
On Jun 27, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
Well, to be honest I was more hoping for suggestions about how to improve the
developer community, policies, etc. rather than technical
Continuing with a Java theme: the Java Advanced Imaging interfaces have a
(default) pure java implementation as well as a native (accelerated)
implementation.
How should this be solved? Try find answers yourself. Its the same
problem M.R. talked about if buildfarm uses optimiziations your
None of which works too well in practice (though java is certainly farther
along than other languages).
Same with pure python, pure ruby, pure perl, pure anything with a VM.
python isn't compatible with itself because of 3.0. ruby is even more of a
mess with
rvm and per-user shadow trees that
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:38:16 +0200 2012:
Ok. Why was builderDefs rejected? What problems do you see with it, and what
do others see?
What does reject mean? I'd say it was not adopted (by me yet) because
the existing monolitic setup.sh works good enough - I have my
Continuing with a Java theme: the Java Advanced Imaging interfaces have a
(default) pure java implementation as well as a native (accelerated)
implementation.
How should this be solved? Try find answers yourself. Its the same
problem M.R. talked about if buildfarm uses optimiziations
Frankly, from the technical point of view I would prefer a set of
overridable knobs gradually added to the packages in the main set. This
gives easier discoverability which is nice. Of course, this clashes with
the struggle for simplicity of the main expression or something else
like that.
Quoting Antono Vasiljev (2012-06-27 14:18:34)
Eelco Dolstra eelco.dols...@logicblox.com writes:
Since there appears to be strong^Wpassionate support for having direct commit
access to the main Nixpkgs/NixOS repositories, it's clear we should stick to
the
existing development model at the
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