Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-19 Thread zimbatm
Hmm okay, I will try to redesign the homepage a bit then. SEO would recommend not changing the domain either. On Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 19:48 Nathan Bijnens, wrote: > Although I agree with having multiple entry points, I would keep only One > domain. SEO is important these days...

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-17 Thread Nathan Bijnens
Although I agree with having multiple entry points, I would keep only One domain. SEO is important these days... N. On Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 18:44 zimbatm wrote: > I'm impressed at the community response on my borderly trollish email :) > > It doesn't look like we can agree

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-17 Thread zimbatm
I'm impressed at the community response on my borderly trollish email :) It doesn't look like we can agree on an entry point to the ecosystem as everyone here has different opinions. On the other hand, presenting all the options upfront is also intimidating to the newcomer. So maybe the solution

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-16 Thread Profpatsch
On 16-12-15 11:48pm, Judson Lester wrote: > First, how derivations become software. I *think* nix-env (or nix-shell, or > nix-repl) takes the derivation, finds the build script, establishes > environment variables and runs the script, but I don't know that I've ever > seen that in print anywhere.

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Judson Lester
Candidly, my experience working with nix expressions so far has not been confusion about the language. Two important points are are weakly documented and (to me) mysterious: First, how derivations become software. I *think* nix-env (or nix-shell, or nix-repl) takes the derivation, finds the

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Profpatsch
On 16-12-15 02:21pm, Colin Putney wrote: > Perhaps if we promote the language more, people will get over that hurdle > early and then be pleasantly surprised when they see what's possible with > it. see also: https://nixcloud.io/tour/ -- Proudly written in Mutt with Vim on NixOS. Q: Why is

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Colin Putney
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Mark Gardner wrote: > > ​ > > ​Just like "Go" -> "golang", we can promote "Nix" -> "nixpkg". > Maybe nix-lang? One thing I've noticed is that if nix is promoted as a package manager, people are interested until they run into the fact that they

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 12/15/2016 02:03 PM, Mark Gardner wrote: > ​Is there any reason we shouldn't use nixpkg.org in > parallel to nixos.org ? Yes, .org certainly feels more fitting than .com for this. We do have various parts of the project on the site, though perhaps with

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Profpatsch
On 16-12-15 11:30am, zimbatm wrote: > Hi community, > > I have been thinking on how to communicate to newcomers and I have come to > the conclusion that "nixpkg" is the best term to talk about our ecosystem > as whole. I’d like to paint the cityshed red. :) But seriously, the solution is to be

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Игорь Пашев
2016-12-15 16:03 GMT+03:00 Mark Gardner : > Starting with nixpkg and then talking about NixOS causes the same problem > but in reverse. As an example, I came to the Nix community as the result of > NixOS, not nixpkg. I am not sure I would have been attracted to the > community if

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread stewart mackenzie
For me the crux is the nix expression language, everything revolves around this, this is where real tangible value (read as eye opening, toe curling power) is obtained. It might be a good idea creating a nixmake.com or xmake.com site which has a page for most popular languages detailing

Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread Mark Gardner
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:30 AM, zimbatm wrote: > The nixos.org website for example starts with NixOS and then the user has > to backtrack to the other parts of the ecosystem. I think it's confusing > and a lot of people don't get that it's more than an operating system.

[Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

2016-12-15 Thread zimbatm
Hi community, I have been thinking on how to communicate to newcomers and I have come to the conclusion that "nixpkg" is the best term to talk about our ecosystem as whole. The nixos.org website for example starts with NixOS and then the user has to backtrack to the other parts of the ecosystem.