Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Matthias Beyer]

Hey!

Thank you for reporting back! This sounds really really great for me!

So can we please have a poll on which license to choose?
If yes, how? Mailinglist? Github?

On 30-09-2015 21:28:11, Eric Sagnes wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While editing a page in the current wiki I found a page mentioning 
> the copyright used:
> https://nixos.org/wiki/Nix_Wiki:Copyrights
> (The page is linked from the edition interface of the wiki)
> 
> Quoting below:
> 
> ---
> Right now we don't have a final choice about the license.
> 
> For now when contributing to the wiki you agree that your content may be
> relicensed to whatever license is choosen by the nix community.
> Subscribe to the mailinglist to stay up to date. 
> ---
> 
> I am not a lawyer but this sounds legit enough to avoid deleting pages and
> anonymous contributions.
> 

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Eric Sagnes]

Hi,

While editing a page in the current wiki I found a page mentioning 
the copyright used:
https://nixos.org/wiki/Nix_Wiki:Copyrights
(The page is linked from the edition interface of the wiki)

Quoting below:

---
Right now we don't have a final choice about the license.

For now when contributing to the wiki you agree that your content may be
relicensed to whatever license is choosen by the nix community.
Subscribe to the mailinglist to stay up to date. 
---

I am not a lawyer but this sounds legit enough to avoid deleting pages and
anonymous contributions.


On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 01:50:54PM +0300, Kirill Elagin wrote:
> I’d like to also point out another problem.
> In case some of contributors do not agree to the new terms, how are we
> going to delete their contributions? My understanding is that simply
> deleting the content in question from the page is not enough, it’s wiki
> actually. We’ll have to see how, for example, Wikipedia deals with this
> kind of issues, I’m sure they often have to remove copyrighted content.
> 
> That said, I’m pretty sure other projects also had to deal with changing
> the licence of their docs, so we can learn from their experience instead of
> inventing something new.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Joachim Schiele  wrote:
> 
> > two problems i see here:
> > - text can't be covered by GPL thus they created CC
> > - some edits in the wiki are anonymous (whom to ask?)
> >
> > i like that we are adressing this issue now. it is very important.
> >
> > i'd go for CC BY SA 3.0
> > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
> > as IMHO this fits the other licenses pretty well
> >
> > On 25.09.2015 03:48, stewart mackenzie wrote:
> > > According to my understanding:
> > >
> > > * 1st agree on a license for the wiki.
> > > * we need to get all wiki contributors to agree on said license.
> > > * we'll need a written statement from all wiki contributors, could be
> > > something simple like "I agree to publish my contributions to the nixos
> > > wiki under the X license" these statements could be on a new mailing
> > > list thread. It'll be mundane receiving these mails but it's needed..
> > >
> > > (longerterm strategy)
> > > * The Nixos Foundation could use selected parts of the C4.1(
> > > http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22) particularly the licensing bits to create
> > > a nixos contributors 'contract'. It /should/ be difficult but not
> > > impossible to change the license of wiki, nix{pkgs,os,} as this prevents
> > > vendor lockins / foundation / consortium clusterfuck takeovers where
> > > dishonest agents could for example purchase the copyright to a codebase.
> > > i.e. what happened to Berkeleydb and oracle.
> > > * so far all the contribution copyrights to nix{os,pkgs} belong to the
> > > contributors and not the nixos foundation. It is preferable (IMHO) that
> > > copyright remain in the contributors hands and not the nixos foundation.
> > > Foundations can be corrupted, this prevents sillybuggers happening in
> > > foundations.
> > >
> > > Personally, i'd prefer the whole nix{os,pkgs} to be a license like gpl3
> > > or mpl2. These licenses create prevent an org like redhat form forking
> > > and sublicensing.
> > >
> > > I am not a lawyer.
> > >
> > > There are treasures of untold wealth in nixos let's at least properly
> > > protect them.
> > >
> > > On 25 Sep 2015 01:52, "Vladimír Čunát"  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 09/24/2015 05:24 PM, Domen Kožar wrote:
> > > > I'm all for permissive creative commons license.
> > >
> > > It might be good to have the same license for wiki and nix{pkgs,os,}
> > > docs, allowing us to move content around freely.
> > >
> > > I'm no lawyer, too, but I think there's also the issue of the
> > copyright
> > > holder, which might be the foundation, for example. And the question
> > of
> > > "asking everyone" seems rather difficult; moreover, I'm not sure what
> > > kind of approval is needed (I'm afraid a paper-written one in some
> > > jurisdictions).
> > >
> > >
> > > Vladimir
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Matthias Beyer]

On 24-09-2015 17:48:17, Edward Tjörnhammar wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 05:24:58PM +0200, Domen Kožar wrote:
> >I'm all for permissive creative commons license.
> 
> +1

+1


We would need to contact these people:


https://nixos.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers===1=500

I don't know how to get a list of email adresses out of the wiki, can
someone do this, actually?

We really should do this soon.


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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Eelco Dolstra]

Hi,

On 25/09/15 12:50, Kirill Elagin wrote:

> I’d like to also point out another problem.
> In case some of contributors do not agree to the new terms, how are we going 
> to
> delete their contributions? My understanding is that simply deleting the 
> content
> in question from the page is not enough, it’s wiki actually. We’ll have to see
> how, for example, Wikipedia deals with this kind of issues, I’m sure they 
> often
> have to remove copyrighted content.

You can always nuke a page along with history.

However, an alternative to relicensing is to combine it with a move to a
different Wiki, which many people have wanted in the past anyway. For instance,
we could set up a GitHub wiki, and people could copy their own contributions to
the new wiki. The new wiki should of course have a license from the start.

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[stewart mackenzie]

On 25 Sep 2015 15:29, "Joachim Schiele"  wrote:
>
> two problems i see here:
> - text can't be covered by GPL thus they created CC

I suggested nix{os,pkgs} to be GPL3 or MPLv2 not the wiki.

> - some edits in the wiki are anonymous (whom to ask?)

I wouldn't care about anonymous edits. Proving it is hard.

> i like that we are adressing this issue now. it is very important.
>
> i'd go for CC BY SA 3.0
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
> as IMHO this fits the other licenses pretty well

yes I personally prefer this license.
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Vladimír Čunát]

> However, an alternative to relicensing is to combine it with a move to a
> different Wiki, which many people have wanted in the past anyway. For 
> instance,
> we could set up a GitHub wiki, and people could copy their own contributions 
> to
> the new wiki. The new wiki should of course have a license from the start.

A very good idea. There were quite some discussions about the format of
the docs, and IIRC the wiki syntax wasn't very popular. GitHub wiki
should help with integrating with the other changes in nixpkgs.


Now the licensing points.

On 09/25/2015 01:00 PM, stewart mackenzie wrote:
> I suggested nix{os,pkgs} to be GPL3 or MPLv2 not the wiki.

You all seem to suggest copyleft licenses a lot, but nixpkgs isn't
copylefted, and I don't have a feeling that changing that would do good.
I actually suspect that nontrivial part of the contributions we get is
due to *allowing* people to fork nixpkgs and not to disclose (the rest
of) their changes.

Moreover, many of them would use nix expressions to build things without
distributing the expressions themselves, so it would be necessary to
create some other license in AGPL fashion to get some effect.

That was for nixpkgs code - if that isn't copylefted, I don't see the
use of docs being copylefted, especially when in the same repository.


> I wouldn't care about anonymous edits. Proving it is hard.

That's not correct.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Anonymous_works


Copyright assignments: I'm quite certain that whatever licenses we use,
the copyright should be held by a few entities at most. Currently it's
Eelco in nixpkgs; the foundation might be another choice now. We do no
formal assignments, so I'm not sure it is effectively so (I'm no lawyer,
too). Maybe we should (also) have some kind of FLA, though maybe it's
pointless when using permissive licensing
https://fsfe.org/activities/ftf/fla.en.html

Perhaps we should consult someone? Domen: maybe @silverhook?


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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Joachim Schiele]

two problems i see here:
- text can't be covered by GPL thus they created CC
- some edits in the wiki are anonymous (whom to ask?)

i like that we are adressing this issue now. it is very important.

i'd go for CC BY SA 3.0
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
as IMHO this fits the other licenses pretty well

On 25.09.2015 03:48, stewart mackenzie wrote:
> According to my understanding:
> 
> * 1st agree on a license for the wiki.
> * we need to get all wiki contributors to agree on said license.
> * we'll need a written statement from all wiki contributors, could be
> something simple like "I agree to publish my contributions to the nixos
> wiki under the X license" these statements could be on a new mailing
> list thread. It'll be mundane receiving these mails but it's needed..
> 
> (longerterm strategy)
> * The Nixos Foundation could use selected parts of the C4.1(
> http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22) particularly the licensing bits to create
> a nixos contributors 'contract'. It /should/ be difficult but not
> impossible to change the license of wiki, nix{pkgs,os,} as this prevents
> vendor lockins / foundation / consortium clusterfuck takeovers where
> dishonest agents could for example purchase the copyright to a codebase.
> i.e. what happened to Berkeleydb and oracle.
> * so far all the contribution copyrights to nix{os,pkgs} belong to the
> contributors and not the nixos foundation. It is preferable (IMHO) that
> copyright remain in the contributors hands and not the nixos foundation.
> Foundations can be corrupted, this prevents sillybuggers happening in
> foundations.
> 
> Personally, i'd prefer the whole nix{os,pkgs} to be a license like gpl3
> or mpl2. These licenses create prevent an org like redhat form forking
> and sublicensing.
> 
> I am not a lawyer.
> 
> There are treasures of untold wealth in nixos let's at least properly
> protect them.
> 
> On 25 Sep 2015 01:52, "Vladimír Čunát"  > wrote:
> 
> On 09/24/2015 05:24 PM, Domen Kožar wrote:
> > I'm all for permissive creative commons license.
> 
> It might be good to have the same license for wiki and nix{pkgs,os,}
> docs, allowing us to move content around freely.
> 
> I'm no lawyer, too, but I think there's also the issue of the copyright
> holder, which might be the foundation, for example. And the question of
> "asking everyone" seems rather difficult; moreover, I'm not sure what
> kind of approval is needed (I'm afraid a paper-written one in some
> jurisdictions).
> 
> 
> Vladimir
> 
> 
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Kirill Elagin]

I’d like to also point out another problem.
In case some of contributors do not agree to the new terms, how are we
going to delete their contributions? My understanding is that simply
deleting the content in question from the page is not enough, it’s wiki
actually. We’ll have to see how, for example, Wikipedia deals with this
kind of issues, I’m sure they often have to remove copyrighted content.

That said, I’m pretty sure other projects also had to deal with changing
the licence of their docs, so we can learn from their experience instead of
inventing something new.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Joachim Schiele  wrote:

> two problems i see here:
> - text can't be covered by GPL thus they created CC
> - some edits in the wiki are anonymous (whom to ask?)
>
> i like that we are adressing this issue now. it is very important.
>
> i'd go for CC BY SA 3.0
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
> as IMHO this fits the other licenses pretty well
>
> On 25.09.2015 03:48, stewart mackenzie wrote:
> > According to my understanding:
> >
> > * 1st agree on a license for the wiki.
> > * we need to get all wiki contributors to agree on said license.
> > * we'll need a written statement from all wiki contributors, could be
> > something simple like "I agree to publish my contributions to the nixos
> > wiki under the X license" these statements could be on a new mailing
> > list thread. It'll be mundane receiving these mails but it's needed..
> >
> > (longerterm strategy)
> > * The Nixos Foundation could use selected parts of the C4.1(
> > http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22) particularly the licensing bits to create
> > a nixos contributors 'contract'. It /should/ be difficult but not
> > impossible to change the license of wiki, nix{pkgs,os,} as this prevents
> > vendor lockins / foundation / consortium clusterfuck takeovers where
> > dishonest agents could for example purchase the copyright to a codebase.
> > i.e. what happened to Berkeleydb and oracle.
> > * so far all the contribution copyrights to nix{os,pkgs} belong to the
> > contributors and not the nixos foundation. It is preferable (IMHO) that
> > copyright remain in the contributors hands and not the nixos foundation.
> > Foundations can be corrupted, this prevents sillybuggers happening in
> > foundations.
> >
> > Personally, i'd prefer the whole nix{os,pkgs} to be a license like gpl3
> > or mpl2. These licenses create prevent an org like redhat form forking
> > and sublicensing.
> >
> > I am not a lawyer.
> >
> > There are treasures of untold wealth in nixos let's at least properly
> > protect them.
> >
> > On 25 Sep 2015 01:52, "Vladimír Čunát"  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 09/24/2015 05:24 PM, Domen Kožar wrote:
> > > I'm all for permissive creative commons license.
> >
> > It might be good to have the same license for wiki and nix{pkgs,os,}
> > docs, allowing us to move content around freely.
> >
> > I'm no lawyer, too, but I think there's also the issue of the
> copyright
> > holder, which might be the foundation, for example. And the question
> of
> > "asking everyone" seems rather difficult; moreover, I'm not sure what
> > kind of approval is needed (I'm afraid a paper-written one in some
> > jurisdictions).
> >
> >
> > Vladimir
> >
> >
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Jookia]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 09:28:36AM +0200, Joachim Schiele wrote:
> two problems i see here:
> - text can't be covered by GPL thus they created CC
> - some edits in the wiki are anonymous (whom to ask?)

> i like that we are adressing this issue now. it is very important.

> i'd go for CC BY SA 3.0
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
> as IMHO this fits the other licenses pretty well

I might as well chime in given I wrote
https://nixos.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_NixOS_on_ARM but had someone else upload it
as Tor users are blocked from editing but I still want to contribute.

People can use my contributions licensed under the CC-BY-SA 4.0 or GPLv3+. Text
can be covered by the GPL (there's no reason they can't, it's a copyright
license at heart.) I'm not sure why you'd choose a 3.0 license when 4.0 is out.
I've heard 4.0 solves a lot of internalization problems too.

There's some people talking about copyleft licenses requirng you to disclose
your work, which isn't true. You only have to disclose the source code to people
you distribute your work to, which seems fair to everyone involved.

If there's a consensus for another license or a copyright agreement, people
can take my contribution as CC0 and combine them in to the permissively
licensed work. IMHO copyright agreements are unneccesary unless you disagree on
the license chosen. In which case you should probably have chosen a license.
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Joachim Schiele]

hi rob,

we need your help. can you please provide matthias beyer with all the
email addresses from the wiki?

you can run these commands:
mysql -p
or
mysql

show databases;
use lastlogwiki;
select user_name,user_real_name,user_email from user;

mysql> select user_name,user_real_name,user_email from user;
+-+++
| user_name   | user_real_name | user_email |
+-+++
| WikiSysop   |||
| Joachim Schiele || j...@lastlog.de  |
| foo bar || f...@bar.com   |
+-+++

we need that in order to write about the license change of the wiki, see
the recent discussion on the mailinglist.

thanks in advance,
joachim


On 25.09.2015 12:59, Matthias Beyer wrote:
> On 24-09-2015 17:48:17, Edward Tjörnhammar wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 05:24:58PM +0200, Domen Kožar wrote:
>>>I'm all for permissive creative commons license.
>>
>> +1
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> We would need to contact these people:
> 
> 
> https://nixos.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers===1=500
> 
> I don't know how to get a list of email adresses out of the wiki, can
> someone do this, actually?
> 
> We really should do this soon.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Eelco Dolstra]

Hi,

On 24/09/15 16:07, Matthias Beyer wrote:

> I push this topic now, as I still have no answer on what license the
> wiki contents have.

I don't think the wiki currently has a license.

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Matthias Beyer]

Hi,

On 24-09-2015 16:34:24, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
> On 24/09/15 16:07, Matthias Beyer wrote:
> > I push this topic now, as I still have no answer on what license the
> > wiki contents have.
> 
> I don't think the wiki currently has a license.
> 

That's the point. So if I want to use content from there, I have to
explicitely ask every contributor whether I can use content from there
under terms of XYZ, right?

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Edward Tjörnhammar]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 05:24:58PM +0200, Domen Kožar wrote:
>I'm all for permissive creative commons license.

+1

>On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Felipe Lessa 
>wrote:
>
>  Em 24-09-2015 12:04, Matthias Beyer escreveu:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > On 24-09-2015 16:34:24, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
>  >> On 24/09/15 16:07, Matthias Beyer wrote:
>  >>> I push this topic now, as I still have no answer on what license the
>  >>> wiki contents have.
>  >>
>  >> I don't think the wiki currently has a license.
>  >>
>  >
>  > That's the point. So if I want to use content from there, I have to
>  > explicitely ask every contributor whether I can use content from there
>  > under terms of XYZ, right?
>
>  That's problematic.  If a single license is to be chosen, and it is a
>  good a idea to do so, the sooner the better.  The number of
>  contributors
>  is non-decreasing.
>
>  Cheers,
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Felipe Lessa]

Em 24-09-2015 12:04, Matthias Beyer escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> On 24-09-2015 16:34:24, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
>> On 24/09/15 16:07, Matthias Beyer wrote:
>>> I push this topic now, as I still have no answer on what license the
>>> wiki contents have.
>>
>> I don't think the wiki currently has a license.
>>
> 
> That's the point. So if I want to use content from there, I have to
> explicitely ask every contributor whether I can use content from there
> under terms of XYZ, right?

That's problematic.  If a single license is to be chosen, and it is a
good a idea to do so, the sooner the better.  The number of contributors
is non-decreasing.

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Domen Kožar]

I'm all for permissive creative commons license.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Felipe Lessa 
wrote:

> Em 24-09-2015 12:04, Matthias Beyer escreveu:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 24-09-2015 16:34:24, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
> >> On 24/09/15 16:07, Matthias Beyer wrote:
> >>> I push this topic now, as I still have no answer on what license the
> >>> wiki contents have.
> >>
> >> I don't think the wiki currently has a license.
> >>
> >
> > That's the point. So if I want to use content from there, I have to
> > explicitely ask every contributor whether I can use content from there
> > under terms of XYZ, right?
>
> That's problematic.  If a single license is to be chosen, and it is a
> good a idea to do so, the sooner the better.  The number of contributors
> is non-decreasing.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Edward Tjörnhammar]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:18:31PM -0300, Felipe Lessa wrote:
> Em 24-09-2015 12:04, Matthias Beyer escreveu:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 24-09-2015 16:34:24, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
> >> On 24/09/15 16:07, Matthias Beyer wrote:
> >>> I push this topic now, as I still have no answer on what license the
> >>> wiki contents have.
> >>
> >> I don't think the wiki currently has a license.
> >>
> >
> > That's the point. So if I want to use content from there, I have to
> > explicitely ask every contributor whether I can use content from there
> > under terms of XYZ, right?
>
> That's problematic.  If a single license is to be chosen, and it is a
> good a idea to do so, the sooner the better.  The number of contributors
> is non-decreasing.

If I remeber this stuff correctly I believe we will also need need to
reach out to each and every one who has contributed previously and ask
if they accept the new license, otherwise their parts will need to be
purged and rewritten.. This is because I believe that you don't waiver
your copyright just because nothing else has been stated.

>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Felipe Lessa]

Em 24-09-2015 12:46, Edward Tjörnhammar escreveu:
> If I remeber this stuff correctly I believe we will also need need to
> reach out to each and every one who has contributed previously and ask
> if they accept the new license, otherwise their parts will need to be
> purged and rewritten.. This is because I believe that you don't waiver
> your copyright just because nothing else has been stated.

That's my understanding as well, but IANAL.

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Vladimír Čunát]

On 09/24/2015 05:24 PM, Domen Kožar wrote:
> I'm all for permissive creative commons license.

It might be good to have the same license for wiki and nix{pkgs,os,}
docs, allowing us to move content around freely.

I'm no lawyer, too, but I think there's also the issue of the copyright
holder, which might be the foundation, for example. And the question of
"asking everyone" seems rather difficult; moreover, I'm not sure what
kind of approval is needed (I'm afraid a paper-written one in some
jurisdictions).


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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Matthias Beyer]

On 24-09-2015 13:18:26, Felipe Lessa wrote:
> Em 24-09-2015 12:46, Edward Tjörnhammar escreveu:
> > If I remeber this stuff correctly I believe we will also need need to
> > reach out to each and every one who has contributed previously and ask
> > if they accept the new license, otherwise their parts will need to be
> > purged and rewritten.. This is because I believe that you don't waiver
> > your copyright just because nothing else has been stated.
> 
> That's my understanding as well, but IANAL.
> 

Well then, is there a way to get a list of contributors out of
mediawiki?

Would be damn great to get this thing under a license, no matter which
one in the first place, but I'd opt for a CC license, something like
no-commercial, share-alike, etc foo.


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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[stewart mackenzie]

According to my understanding:

* 1st agree on a license for the wiki.
* we need to get all wiki contributors to agree on said license.
* we'll need a written statement from all wiki contributors, could be
something simple like "I agree to publish my contributions to the nixos
wiki under the X license" these statements could be on a new mailing list
thread. It'll be mundane receiving these mails but it's needed.

(longerterm strategy)
* The Nixos Foundation could use selected parts of the C4.1(
http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22) particularly the licensing bits to create a
nixos contributors 'contract'. It /should/ be difficult but not impossible
to change the license of wiki, nix{pkgs,os,} as this prevents vendor
lockins / foundation / consortium clusterfuck takeovers where dishonest
agents could for example purchase the copyright to a codebase. i.e. what
happened to Berkeleydb and oracle.
* so far all the contribution copyrights to nix{os,pkgs} belong to the
contributors and not the nixos foundation. It is preferable (IMHO) that
copyright remain in the contributors hands and not the nixos foundation.
Foundations can be corrupted, this prevents sillybuggers happening in
foundations.

Personally, i'd prefer the whole nix{os,pkgs} to be a license like gpl3 or
mpl2. These licenses create prevent an org like redhat form forking and
sublicensing.

I am not a lawyer.

There are treasures of untold wealth in nixos let's at least properly
protect them.
On 25 Sep 2015 01:52, "Vladimír Čunát"  wrote:

> On 09/24/2015 05:24 PM, Domen Kožar wrote:
> > I'm all for permissive creative commons license.
>
> It might be good to have the same license for wiki and nix{pkgs,os,}
> docs, allowing us to move content around freely.
>
> I'm no lawyer, too, but I think there's also the issue of the copyright
> holder, which might be the foundation, for example. And the question of
> "asking everyone" seems rather difficult; moreover, I'm not sure what
> kind of approval is needed (I'm afraid a paper-written one in some
> jurisdictions).
>
>
> Vladimir
>
>
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[Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Matthias Beyer]

Hi,

I cannot find any hints under what license the nixos wiki and the
manuales on nix, nixos, nixpkgs and nixops are published.

The pages "About Nix wiki" and "Disclaimers" as well as
"Privacy Policy" on the nixos wiki are non-existent.

So does anyone know something about this topic?

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Re: [Nix-dev] What license does the content of the nixos wiki and the manuals have?

[Joel Moberg]

For nix, nixos, nixpkgs and nixops, see source repos and the file COPYING.
I think this license applies if there is no other remark on the manual
page. I can't find any license info at the wiki. And then I think the
'default' license is that the author owns the rights to all material. But
the wiki have many authors..

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Matthias Beyer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I cannot find any hints under what license the nixos wiki and the
> manuales on nix, nixos, nixpkgs and nixops are published.
>
> The pages "About Nix wiki" and "Disclaimers" as well as
> "Privacy Policy" on the nixos wiki are non-existent.
>
> So does anyone know something about this topic?
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Kind regards,
> Matthias Beyer
>
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