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Dear Nixers,
Please may we start a C4 adoption period of 6 months then do a review
after this?
Kind regards
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What does this mean?
stewart mackenzie writes:
> Dear Nixers,
>
> Please may we start a C4 adoption period of 6 months then do a review
> after this?
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> Kind regards
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per chance, is there work underway to make nix a typed language?
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http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/
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due to multiple causes, but the latest straw on the camel's back is
this pull request: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/18101
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This is a bunch of legalese with a lot of random rules not justified in
the link. Why should we care? What problem does it solve? What problems
might it introduce?
stewart mackenzie writes:
> http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/
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If that thread represents the argument for C4, then I vote no.
stewart mackenzie writes:
> due to multiple causes, but the latest straw on the camel's back is
> this pull request: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/18101
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Sigh, random rules? Are you kidding me?
Nevermind
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Perhaps they are not random if you know their origin or justification,
neither is given at the link though.
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> Sigh, random rules? Are you kidding me?
>
> Nevermind
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Shea Levy wrote:
> Perhaps they are not random if you know their origin or justification,
> neither is given at the link though.
Backtrack? Are you kidding me?
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I have no idea what you mean by "backtrack". All I see in that link is a
list of very high level goals and very specific rules. If the rules are
justified somewhere in there, I missed it in my quick glance over. Where
should I look for the specific justification?
stewart mackenzie
in the beginning Shea... where it says "Goals"
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Why is it like pulling teeth getting a simple pull request into nixpkgs?
Something is _very_very_ broken people.
Can we please fix this asap? No I don't want to hear bullshit reasons
about keeping X Y Z maintainer's powers.
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Let me clarify: Why do those rules specifically help achieve those
goals? As I said, the goals are very high level and the rules very
specific.
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> in the beginning Shea... where it says "Goals"
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> adversely affect nix-env users in that case.
How?
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OK, this is a specific problem you have: it's hard to get a simple pull
request into nixpkgs. If that's the case, how does C4 help fix it? And
at what cost, if any?
By the way, I agree with the closing of the PR you linked to earlier,
removing the lowPrio has nothing to do with the hydra build
1+1=2
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As globin pointed out, the lowPrio has nothing to do with
hydra. Instead, it makes it so nix-env does not consider the package by
default during install. It happens in this case that the beta and
unstable versions of rust have -beta and -unstable in their names, so
nix-env considers them
Alright, I'm done. If someone can come up with a real argument for this
change, I'll be happy to review it then.
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Hi all,
Apparently some of our packages where we have multiple versions, like
rust, have identifiers like '-beta' or '-master' appended to their names
before their versions. IMO the 'beta' and 'master' is part of the
version, not the package name, and so if it exists at all it should be
part of
Stewart,
On 30/08/16 01:50, stewart mackenzie wrote:
> 1+1=2
> *me
Please stop. Such e-mails, like your original PR, add little value.
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> due to multiple causes, but the latest straw on the camel's back is
> this pull request: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/18101
Hey there,
I think you need to calm down a little with the comments. You seem to want
people
Hello,
Thus quoth stewart mackenzie at 01:28 on Di, Aug 30 2016:
>
> due to multiple causes, but the latest straw on the camel's back is
> this pull request: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/18101
If you want any policy adopted, I suppose you should provide clear
argumentation, including
I just want this issue resolved.
Every time I update / upgrade I recompile rustBeta then rustUnstable
and it results in 1/2 day lost. This has happened frequently, recently
as rustUnstable and rustBeta have been broken for a long time.
(ie days have been lost finding working revs then compiling
For what it's worth there's an issue about adopting C4 (and other related
proposals). So far none have really achieved consensus but this is probably
where the conversation (if we can call it that) should continue:
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/17407#issuecomment-236450392
lowPrio's
IMO proposals that affect the entire community should at least be
mentioned on the ML, as the nixpkgs tracker is way too noisy for many of
us to follow all issues opened there.
obadz writes:
> For what it's worth there's an issue about adopting C4 (and other related
>
Okay, then I'm absolutely boggled as to why each and every time I
update I have recompile rustBeta.rustc then rustUnstable.rustc.
I've literally been using nix-build ... -I
nixpkgs=https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels/archive/125089b6bd360c82cf986d8cc9b17fc2e8ac.tar.gz
for more than a
Sorry guys for showing my anger.
Shea, you're doing a great job and I rely on your great work all the time.
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If you have expensive-to-compile stuff that hydra doesn't build, just
freeze (or upgrade quarterly for instance) the version of nixpkgs that you
use for that particular stuff. (The rest of your system can happily keep
updating at a brisker pace).
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:19 AM, stewart
>
> IMO proposals that affect the entire community should at least bementioned
> on the ML
It was discussed on the ML last month:
http://lists.science.uu.nl/pipermail/nix-dev/2016-July/021170.html
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Shea Levy wrote:
> IMO proposals that affect
rust is a fast moving target, I don't want too much breakage. Recently
upstream decided to shove experimental features into nightly releases
(ie the allocator we're using which broke our build), this would cause
huge breakage and annoyance ameliorating issues.
It's better to keep lockstep with
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Shea Levy wrote:
> globin missed the fact that the naming convention is messing up the
> lowPrio logic, and your original PR had nothing to do with that. If rust
> were named properly, your fix would be wrong.
What is the exact naming scheme
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Trying to understand your email:
in development/compilers/rust
beta.nix:
current behaviour: the name "beta" is already part of the version ->
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Changed
Another solution is to abandon parsing of derivation name and include
"meta" to derivation. Then the name and version representations can be
included as meta.name and meta.version in whichever format is liked by
maintainer.
mkDerivation can do name = "${meta.name}-${meta.version}" itself.
Meta
Dynamic attributes make exact typing hard. Perhaps Nix will adopt the
gradually typed approach in a future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradual_typing#Examples
But would that be worth of it?
2016-08-29 21:47 GMT+00:00 stewart mackenzie :
> per chance, is there work
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Commit: f85053a0216b12d87cb66b246440411a296b42d6
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/f85053a0216b12d87cb66b246440411a296b42d6
Author: Vladimír Čunát
Date: 2016-08-29 (Mon, 29 Aug 2016)
Branch: refs/heads/master
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Commit: 07ed06f8da8a12f3ad0fcb65b558a828cebca270
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/07ed06f8da8a12f3ad0fcb65b558a828cebca270
Author: Alexander Ried
Date: 2016-08-29 (Mon, 29 Aug 2016)
Branch: refs/heads/master
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Commit: 6a04de991c3a5bf76caaa19f34adb77f6b072c51
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/6a04de991c3a5bf76caaa19f34adb77f6b072c51
Author: Robin Gloster
Date: 2016-08-29 (Mon, 29 Aug 2016)
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