Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Всеволод Стефкин]

Hi, everyone. I'm glad to hear about the conference. The city  is full of
beautiful attractions, conference participants will surely have great time
there.

ITMO university is located in city center, it must be the safest area and
the closest to tourist attractions. I've been in St. Petersburg before, and
it was a magnificent experience. I've never seen any signs of disrespect or
bullying towards LGBT-people there. I'm sure there is a bunch of native
St.Petersburg citizens here who can confirm.

2016-02-02 11:33 GMT+03:00 Lluís Batlle i Rossell :

> I don't know if I will be able to take part, but I recommend you the
> chance of going to Russia, specially in this case where you have Russian
> hosts. They are the best to help you enjoy the country, without you to
> having to fear anything. As for my experience, the Russian people have
> perfect control about any safety issues that foreigners may fear about,
> better than many EU-citizens may know about their own cities. I personally
> feel less safe in militarized and paranoid countries like France or
> Germany.
>
> Moreover, Peter is a very touristic city, and locals are very good at
> distinguishing tourists (welcomed people) over any migrant that they may
> throw crazy racist agressivenes to. :)
>
> As for the topic raised these days, I have plenty of Russian friends that
> have very diverse sexual preferences, and they are safe and well
> organized. There are enough brave people who dare to brand those flags in
> mass manifestations in the cities in such a police-state, and of course,
> that involves gratuituous repression by the police.
>
> As for assholes, there are everywhere, and they are the most broadcasted
> on TV.
>
> For Dutch (and Russian, which will understand most of them), I take this
> chance of recommending these documentaries:
>
> http://www.npo.nl/van-moskou-tot-moermansk/POMS_S_VPRO_113161
>
> http://www.npo.nl/van-moskou-tot-magadan/POMS_S_VPRO_084195
>
> Regards,
> Lluís.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:38:20AM +, Rob Vermaas wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > > I would like to hear what NixOS foundation board have to say to host
> > > a conference in Sankt Petersburg. Also is there anybody else willing to
> > > organise conference? Then if we have more proposals who decides where
> the
> > > conference is held? I guess still being a very small community it
> would not be
> > > very smart to have multiple conferences (just yet). Do we need some
> more formal
> > > procedure for selecting main conference?
> >
> > I don't think the NixOS Foundation needs to have a bigger say in this
> > decision, than any other member of the Nix community. So feel free to
> > organize events in an open discussion with the Nix community.
> >
> > The NixOS Foundation, *currently*, does not have as goal to govern any
> > community process within the Nix community. This might change in the
> > future, if we get broader involvement of the community in the
> > Foundation, and if the community decides we want to organise this as
> > part of the NixOS Foundation. For now the NixOS Foundation has a
> > limited scope, as described on http://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html,
> > to support the infrastructure and projects of the Nix community.
> >
> > To give a *personal* opinion, I would prefer seeing a NixCon in the
> > USA, if that is feasible and there is enough interest. But I also
> > wouldn't mind it if it would be organized in St Petersburg.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Rob Vermaas
> >
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Lluís Batlle i Rossell]

I don't know if I will be able to take part, but I recommend you the
chance of going to Russia, specially in this case where you have Russian
hosts. They are the best to help you enjoy the country, without you to
having to fear anything. As for my experience, the Russian people have
perfect control about any safety issues that foreigners may fear about,
better than many EU-citizens may know about their own cities. I personally
feel less safe in militarized and paranoid countries like France or
Germany.

Moreover, Peter is a very touristic city, and locals are very good at
distinguishing tourists (welcomed people) over any migrant that they may
throw crazy racist agressivenes to. :)

As for the topic raised these days, I have plenty of Russian friends that
have very diverse sexual preferences, and they are safe and well
organized. There are enough brave people who dare to brand those flags in
mass manifestations in the cities in such a police-state, and of course,
that involves gratuituous repression by the police.

As for assholes, there are everywhere, and they are the most broadcasted
on TV.

For Dutch (and Russian, which will understand most of them), I take this
chance of recommending these documentaries:

http://www.npo.nl/van-moskou-tot-moermansk/POMS_S_VPRO_113161

http://www.npo.nl/van-moskou-tot-magadan/POMS_S_VPRO_084195

Regards,
Lluís.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:38:20AM +, Rob Vermaas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > I would like to hear what NixOS foundation board have to say to host
> > a conference in Sankt Petersburg. Also is there anybody else willing to
> > organise conference? Then if we have more proposals who decides where the
> > conference is held? I guess still being a very small community it would not 
> > be
> > very smart to have multiple conferences (just yet). Do we need some more 
> > formal
> > procedure for selecting main conference?
> 
> I don't think the NixOS Foundation needs to have a bigger say in this
> decision, than any other member of the Nix community. So feel free to
> organize events in an open discussion with the Nix community.
> 
> The NixOS Foundation, *currently*, does not have as goal to govern any
> community process within the Nix community. This might change in the
> future, if we get broader involvement of the community in the
> Foundation, and if the community decides we want to organise this as
> part of the NixOS Foundation. For now the NixOS Foundation has a
> limited scope, as described on http://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html,
> to support the infrastructure and projects of the Nix community.
> 
> To give a *personal* opinion, I would prefer seeing a NixCon in the
> USA, if that is feasible and there is enough interest. But I also
> wouldn't mind it if it would be organized in St Petersburg.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Rob Vermaas
> 
> [email] rob.verm...@gmail.com
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Rob Vermaas]

Hi,

> I would like to hear what NixOS foundation board have to say to host
> a conference in Sankt Petersburg. Also is there anybody else willing to
> organise conference? Then if we have more proposals who decides where the
> conference is held? I guess still being a very small community it would not be
> very smart to have multiple conferences (just yet). Do we need some more 
> formal
> procedure for selecting main conference?

I don't think the NixOS Foundation needs to have a bigger say in this
decision, than any other member of the Nix community. So feel free to
organize events in an open discussion with the Nix community.

The NixOS Foundation, *currently*, does not have as goal to govern any
community process within the Nix community. This might change in the
future, if we get broader involvement of the community in the
Foundation, and if the community decides we want to organise this as
part of the NixOS Foundation. For now the NixOS Foundation has a
limited scope, as described on http://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html,
to support the infrastructure and projects of the Nix community.

To give a *personal* opinion, I would prefer seeing a NixCon in the
USA, if that is feasible and there is enough interest. But I also
wouldn't mind it if it would be organized in St Petersburg.

Cheers,
-- 
Rob Vermaas

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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Rok Garbas]

Quoting Arseniy Seroka (2016-01-20 21:52:12)
> Greetings,
> We want to organize NixCon in Saint-Petersburg (Russia) based in ITMO
> University [1].
> There is a big conference hall that can seat everyone.
> 
> We expect to have at least 40 participants, and we are ready to help
> anyone with visa and invitations. If you need any documents we will send them
> to you by DHL at our expense.
> 
> Status of this event can be dictated by the fraction of community that
> will choose to participate. Obviously, if but a little fraction of
> community will attend, we'll call the event differently.
> 
> Theoretically, we would like to hold this event in late July or August 2016.
> This season is the best time to visit and see our city.
> 
> We will, of course, compensate the cost of living for speakers.
> 
> Please tell us what you think!
> 
> And it will be great if you express your opinion by voting here [2].
> That will help us to get information about the number of attendees
> 
> [1] http://en.ifmo.ru/
> [2] http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=569fea46e4b0012bd712d5f8
> 

Hi Arseniy and Jonn,

At first I would like to thank you for colunteering to do this. Please don't
take it personally if people are raising questions since many of us never
traveled to russia and I think you can understand why it is hard to get proper
information via current media channels.

Anyhow, two questions were raised and (i think) you showed that you are willing
to put extra effort into it:

 - Visa requirements

Sending invitiation letters, contacting emassies and helping any visitor to
get all the help when travelling to russia. I think you are willing to do
more that is asked from you. Thank you.

 - LGBT status in russia 

As you stated many things are not as strict as they apear in media. But
people still would feel unsafe. Would it be possible to contact one of your
local LGBT groups and ask them for support and help with conference.
I think that would make it clear that you have put all the effort possible
to accomodate everybody and to be as inclusive as possible.

Also please know that we all see your dedication to help grow NixOS community.
Don't take any of the comments personal (saying it again) since I think nobody
ment those things personally, because everybody grew up with a set of
prejudices (that we are aware and unaware) and we are all trying to do our best
for NixOS community. I really wish we can keep conversation in a very
professional level (we are doing quite ok now, but just want to remember
everybody) and restrain from unproductive conversations. On the end we just
need to figure out what is best for NixOS as a global community.


What is the next step?

I would like to hear what NixOS foundation board have to say to host
a conference in Sankt Petersburg. Also is there anybody else willing to
organise conference? Then if we have more proposals who decides where the
conference is held? I guess still being a very small community it would not be
very smart to have multiple conferences (just yet). Do we need some more formal
procedure for selecting main conference?


Thank you Arseniy and Jonn (again) for volunteering for this.

--
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[shea]

Hi all,

- Original Message -
From: "Rok Garbas" 
To:"Arseniy Seroka" , "nix-dev"

Cc:"Maxim Buzdalov" 
Sent:Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:43:01 +0100
Subject:Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016
Also is there anybody else willing to
 organise conference? Then if we have more proposals who decides where
the
 conference is held? I guess still being a very small community it
would not be
 very smart to have multiple conferences (just yet). Do we need some
more formal
 procedure for selecting main conference?

I'm happy to hold off until next year if we want to go with St.
Petersburg this year, but I was planning on putting forward Boston as
a candidate for this year's con.

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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[phreedom]

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 20:39:28 Aaron Levin wrote:
> One option would be to speak to a local LGBTQ group to find out 
what
> resources, if any, there exist to help ensure a safe experience for
> conference speakers and attendees.

I'm pretty sure the local LGBTQ groups would love to know how to 
ensure a safe existence for themselves...

If all you want is to survive, you stick with sane people, stay in the 
safe part of the city(in ex-ussr, this is usually the central one, with 
expensive restaurants, hotels and nicely-dressed people), don't 
argue with strangers and don't make yourself look too different 
from the local "normal".
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Sergey Mironov]

Hi! I am very glad to read news like this. It is a good place for
meeting from my point of view, since it is close to Moscow where I am
from. I'll probably visit the conference and tell friends about it.

Regards,
Sergey

2016-01-22 0:19 GMT+03:00 stewart mackenzie :
> Generally, as long as you stick with networks of good people you'll be fine.
> I'm sure everyone in the LGBTQS community will have a grand time!
>
> St. Petersburg!? What a fine place travel destination!
>
> On 22 Jan 2016 03:39, "Aaron Levin"  wrote:
>> if any
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Domen Kožar]

*grabs popcorn*

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Kosyrev Serge <_deepf...@feelingofgreen.ru
> wrote:

> phree...@yandex.ru writes:
> > On Thursday, January 21, 2016 01:50:46 Jonn Mostovoy wrote:
> >> I hate modern regime of Russia as much as the other guy.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it's not just the regime.
> >
> >> I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of
> own
> >> citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily
> activities of
> >> normal people in big Russian cities.
> >
> > Anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of opposition(read as: people
> > who have progressive values similar to yours) and wars have immense
> > support in Russia.
>
> Please, let's refrain from inflammatory statements like this.
>
> I'm sure that many russian citizens will find this characterization as
> simplistic as it is offensive.
>
> --
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[phreedom]

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 01:50:46 Jonn Mostovoy wrote:
> I hate modern regime of Russia as much as the other guy.

Unfortunately, it's not just the regime.

> I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of own
> citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily activities of
> normal people in big Russian cities.

Anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of opposition(read as: people who have 
progressive 
values similar to yours) and wars have immense support in Russia.

An example, from the poll which predates massive anti-US,-EU propaganda and the 
invasion of Ukraine: http://www.levada.ru/old/03-07-2013/novyi-opros-ob-lgbt
Things went downhill from back then.
"How will your attitude change towards a person you know if they come out as 
LGBT*?":
Will change for the better: 2%
Won't change: 29%
Will change for the worse: 50%
undecided: 19%

You're certainly going to have interpersonal difficulties with Putin's 
worshipers and you're 
going to encounter many of them in your day to day activities. Although, this 
is unlikely to 
translate into a substantial danger if you are just visiting.

> St. Petersburg, the cultural capital of Russia is safer than a lot of
> European cities. Of course, there are less safe districts, but such
> districts exist in London, Paris, New Jersey, you know.

This is factually incorrect. The murder, rate which is a good proxy for violent 
crimes rates 
and is reliably reported, is among the worst for large cities in europe. Crime 
rates, 
however, are much lower in a small number of (expensive and mostly central) 
districts and 
can be comparable to eg *average* Berlin rate.

> Besides, one can just go to the conference and then back to the hotel. That
> was what I was doing on a recent bip conference in Lviv. I had some
> prejudice regarding safety, thus I was doing more networking and listening
> to interesting talks and less sightseeing.

Which is surprising, since Lviv is substantially safer than SPB.

--Evgeny

> On Jan 20, 2016 11:59 PM, "Daniel Peebles"  wrote:
> > First off, thanks for offering to organize it. It's a big undertaking and
> > you're offering a huge gift to the community. Unfortunately, my big
> > concern
> > (outside of my own enthusiasm for being a tourist in Russia) is around the
> > LGBT situation there. I'm sure there are many people in our community who
> > would not feel safe visiting Russia these days, and many of those might
> > also not feel comfortable speaking up on this list to even vote against
> > the
> > location.
> > 
> > As an anecdote, @aphyr, a prominent (and generally awesome) expert on
> > distributed systems, recently wrote this piece on his feelings about
> > attending conferences in Russia:
> > https://gist.github.com/aphyr/64ef5320e87c4b09772a
> > 
> > Anyway, if the majority of the community is in favor for holding it there,
> > that's its prerogative, but I do think there are some very real downsides
> > to the location.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Vladimír Čunát  wrote:
> >> On 01/20/2016 10:11 PM, Arseniy Seroka wrote:
> >> > I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get
> >> > them,
> >> > right?
> >> > 
> >> > Yes, that is the only problem, And we will help anyone who will go to
> >> 
> >> conference
> >> 
> >> > to get visa. We can send invitations and provide any information to our
> >> > embassy to make visa getting process easier.
> >> 
> >> Hopefully the diplomatic situation between EU and Russia won't get any
> >> worse in the meantime.
> >> 
> >> --Vladimir
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Jonn Mostovoy]

I hoped that Peti's response was the bottom line in this discussion.

I'm pretty sure that we will come up with a way for everyone to enjoy their
time.
On Jan 25, 2016 11:23 PM, "Domen Kožar"  wrote:

> *grabs popcorn*
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Kosyrev Serge <
> _deepf...@feelingofgreen.ru> wrote:
>
>> phree...@yandex.ru writes:
>> > On Thursday, January 21, 2016 01:50:46 Jonn Mostovoy wrote:
>> >> I hate modern regime of Russia as much as the other guy.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, it's not just the regime.
>> >
>> >> I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression
>> of own
>> >> citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily
>> activities of
>> >> normal people in big Russian cities.
>> >
>> > Anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of opposition(read as: people
>> > who have progressive values similar to yours) and wars have immense
>> > support in Russia.
>>
>> Please, let's refrain from inflammatory statements like this.
>>
>> I'm sure that many russian citizens will find this characterization as
>> simplistic as it is offensive.
>>
>> --
>> с уважениeм / respectfully,
>> Косырев Сергей
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Peter Simons]

Jonn Mostovoy writes:

 > I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of
 > own citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily
 > activities of normal people in big Russian cities. St. Petersburg, the
 > cultural capital of Russia, is safer than a lot of European cities. Of
 > course, there are less safe districts, but such districts exist in
 > London, Paris, New Jersey, you know.

I have never been to St. Petersburg, but I was curious about the situation
and I simply asked Google. My impression was that it doesn't seem so hard to
find a place to go if you want to enjoy gay nightlife:

 - http://www.gay-tour.ru/
 - 
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g298507-d2620914-Reviews-Central_Station-St_Petersburg_Northwestern_District.html
 - 
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/st-petersburgs-gay-nightlife-is-alive-and-kicking/455801.html

Obviously, the discriminatory laws and policies in effect in Russia suck and
nobody in their right mind would want to condone those policies. However,
let's not lose perspective. If we want to have NixOS conferences only in
places with no discriminatory policies whatsoever, then we'll have a hard
time finding a venue, really, because no such country exists.

Personally, I'd be thrilled to visit St. Petersburg. I'd love to see the
White Nights, the historic city center, and possibly some of the theaters
and museums. I hope enough people show an interest so that Arseniy and Max
can organize a great conference for us!

I think it's awesome that they took the initiative, and I hope others do the
same thing and organize Nix conferences wherever they happen to live, too,
so we -- the Nix community -- can use that hobby of ours as a convenient
excuse to travel and meet people from all over the world. :-)

Best regards,
Peter

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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Aaron Levin]

Hi Everyone,

I want to echo Daniel Peebles' concerns, in addition to the gratitude for
offering to host the conference.

One option would be to speak to a local LGBTQ group to find out what
resources, if any, there exist to help ensure a safe experience for
conference speakers and attendees.

Best,

Aaron Levin

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Peter Simons  wrote:

> Jonn Mostovoy writes:
>
>  > I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of
>  > own citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily
>  > activities of normal people in big Russian cities. St. Petersburg, the
>  > cultural capital of Russia, is safer than a lot of European cities. Of
>  > course, there are less safe districts, but such districts exist in
>  > London, Paris, New Jersey, you know.
>
> I have never been to St. Petersburg, but I was curious about the situation
> and I simply asked Google. My impression was that it doesn't seem so hard
> to
> find a place to go if you want to enjoy gay nightlife:
>
>  - http://www.gay-tour.ru/
>  -
> http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g298507-d2620914-Reviews-Central_Station-St_Petersburg_Northwestern_District.html
>  -
> http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/st-petersburgs-gay-nightlife-is-alive-and-kicking/455801.html
>
> Obviously, the discriminatory laws and policies in effect in Russia suck
> and
> nobody in their right mind would want to condone those policies. However,
> let's not lose perspective. If we want to have NixOS conferences only in
> places with no discriminatory policies whatsoever, then we'll have a hard
> time finding a venue, really, because no such country exists.
>
> Personally, I'd be thrilled to visit St. Petersburg. I'd love to see the
> White Nights, the historic city center, and possibly some of the theaters
> and museums. I hope enough people show an interest so that Arseniy and Max
> can organize a great conference for us!
>
> I think it's awesome that they took the initiative, and I hope others do
> the
> same thing and organize Nix conferences wherever they happen to live, too,
> so we -- the Nix community -- can use that hobby of ours as a convenient
> excuse to travel and meet people from all over the world. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[stewart mackenzie]

Generally, as long as you stick with networks of good people you'll be
fine. I'm sure everyone in the LGBTQS community will have a grand time!

St. Petersburg!? What a fine place travel destination!

On 22 Jan 2016 03:39, "Aaron Levin"  wrote:
> if any
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Vladimír Čunát]

On 01/20/2016 09:52 PM, Arseniy Seroka wrote:
> we are ready to help anyone with visa and invitations

I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get them, right?

I can't think of any other "problems" ATM ;-)

--Vladimir




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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Arseniy Seroka]

2016-01-21 0:07 GMT+03:00 Vladimír Čunát :

>
> I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get them, right?


Yes, that is the only problem, And we will help anyone who will go to
conference
to get visa. We can send invitations and provide any information to our
embassy
to make visa getting process easier.


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Sincerely,
Arseniy Seroka
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Vladimír Čunát]

On 01/20/2016 10:11 PM, Arseniy Seroka wrote:
> I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get them,
> right?
> 
> Yes, that is the only problem, And we will help anyone who will go to 
> conference
> to get visa. We can send invitations and provide any information to our
> embassy to make visa getting process easier.

Hopefully the diplomatic situation between EU and Russia won't get any
worse in the meantime.

--Vladimir




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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Domen Kožar]

Woooh! :D Always wanted an excuse to go to Russia and there
isn't a better one than Nix.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Arseniy Seroka 
wrote:

> Greetings,
> We want to organize NixCon in Saint-Petersburg (Russia) based in ITMO
> University [1].
> There is a big conference hall that can seat everyone.
>
> We expect to have at least 40 participants, and we are ready to help
> anyone with visa and invitations. If you need any documents we will send
> them
> to you by DHL at our expense.
>
> Status of this event can be dictated by the fraction of community that
> will choose to participate. Obviously, if but a little fraction of
> community will attend, we'll call the event differently.
>
> Theoretically, we would like to hold this event in late July or August
> 2016.
> This season is the best time to visit and see our city.
>
> We will, of course, compensate the cost of living for speakers.
>
> Please tell us what you think!
>
> And it will be great if you express your opinion by voting here [2].
> That will help us to get information about the number of attendees
>
> [1] http://en.ifmo.ru/
> [2] http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=569fea46e4b0012bd712d5f8
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Arseniy Seroka (JagaJaga) and Jonn Mostovoy
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Daniel Peebles]

First off, thanks for offering to organize it. It's a big undertaking and
you're offering a huge gift to the community. Unfortunately, my big concern
(outside of my own enthusiasm for being a tourist in Russia) is around the
LGBT situation there. I'm sure there are many people in our community who
would not feel safe visiting Russia these days, and many of those might
also not feel comfortable speaking up on this list to even vote against the
location.

As an anecdote, @aphyr, a prominent (and generally awesome) expert on
distributed systems, recently wrote this piece on his feelings about
attending conferences in Russia:
https://gist.github.com/aphyr/64ef5320e87c4b09772a

Anyway, if the majority of the community is in favor for holding it there,
that's its prerogative, but I do think there are some very real downsides
to the location.

Thanks,
Dan


On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Vladimír Čunát  wrote:

> On 01/20/2016 10:11 PM, Arseniy Seroka wrote:
> > I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get them,
> > right?
> >
> > Yes, that is the only problem, And we will help anyone who will go to
> conference
> > to get visa. We can send invitations and provide any information to our
> > embassy to make visa getting process easier.
>
> Hopefully the diplomatic situation between EU and Russia won't get any
> worse in the meantime.
>
> --Vladimir
>
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon St. Petersburg 2016

[Jonn Mostovoy]

Dan,
I hate modern regime of Russia as much as the other guy.
I just want to point out that anti-LGBT laws, censorship, oppression of own
citizens, geopolitical expansion has nothing to do with daily activities of
normal people in big Russian cities.
St. Petersburg, the cultural capital of Russia is safer than a lot of
European cities. Of course, there are less safe districts, but such
districts exist in London, Paris, New Jersey, you know.

Besides, one can just go to the conference and then back to the hotel. That
was what I was doing on a recent bip conference in Lviv. I had some
prejudice regarding safety, thus I was doing more networking and listening
to interesting talks and less sightseeing.

kind regards,
jm.
On Jan 20, 2016 11:59 PM, "Daniel Peebles"  wrote:

> First off, thanks for offering to organize it. It's a big undertaking and
> you're offering a huge gift to the community. Unfortunately, my big concern
> (outside of my own enthusiasm for being a tourist in Russia) is around the
> LGBT situation there. I'm sure there are many people in our community who
> would not feel safe visiting Russia these days, and many of those might
> also not feel comfortable speaking up on this list to even vote against the
> location.
>
> As an anecdote, @aphyr, a prominent (and generally awesome) expert on
> distributed systems, recently wrote this piece on his feelings about
> attending conferences in Russia:
> https://gist.github.com/aphyr/64ef5320e87c4b09772a
>
> Anyway, if the majority of the community is in favor for holding it there,
> that's its prerogative, but I do think there are some very real downsides
> to the location.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Vladimír Čunát  wrote:
>
>> On 01/20/2016 10:11 PM, Arseniy Seroka wrote:
>> > I assume EU people will need visa but it should be easy to get them,
>> > right?
>> >
>> > Yes, that is the only problem, And we will help anyone who will go to
>> conference
>> > to get visa. We can send invitations and provide any information to our
>> > embassy to make visa getting process easier.
>>
>> Hopefully the diplomatic situation between EU and Russia won't get any
>> worse in the meantime.
>>
>> --Vladimir
>>
>>
>>
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